Local engineer passes PE Exam
 

Something is a little fishy here...... I just cannot put my finger on it.....:rolleyes:;)


Local engineer passes PE Exam
By Fran Kirschner

Kenneth L. Fry, New Egypt, has passed the rigorous Principles and Practices of Engineering Examination (known in the industry as the PE Exam) and has been approved by the state of Maryland to practice engineering.

In 2008, Fry was awarded national LEED AP accreditation (Leader in Energy and Environmental Design), by the United States Green Building Council (USGBC), certifying that Fry, a partner and senior vice president of BD Engineering, Lakewood, is an expert in green-building design; e.g., reusing existing materials and buildings, reducing water-consumption and waste, reducing energy consumption, and designing sustainable buildings, and developing sites that are environmentally sound and improve environmental air quality, among other requirements.

Fry, a graduate of Westwood High School, Massachusetts, became a Green Beret while in the Marines, having served in “Special Ops” from 1980-1984. He then attended both Penn State University and later Princeton University to study mechanical engineering.

He is a member of ASHRAE, the American Society of Heating, Refrigeration, and Air conditioning Engineers; a member of USGBC, and a member of the Southern New Jersey Business Development Council.

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http://www.app.com/article/20090125/...69/1004/NEWS01

AND he's about to get his ass kicked by his "friends" at ProfessionalSoldier.com!:mad:
GUNNER, POSER in the open!
IDENTIFIED, HEAT
GUN UP
FIRE!
ON THE WAY!
Target, Cease fire. Driver, Moveout.

From the website of National Society of Professional Engineers website here.

From the ASHRAE website here.


My two cents on LEED and the U.S. Green Building Council--where there is smoke there are mirrors.

Teams are waiting in the dark corners in the state of occupied Maryland..

QSL BT AR

AL Sends. :mad:

He could lose his license for an integrity violation.

Not to give the benefit of the doubt where undeserved, but if he told the reporter that he worked in "special ops" in the USMC (and with the MEU-SOC designation, this doesn't appear all that hard to do quasi-legitimately), the reporter may have made bad assumptions and applied the "Green Beret" title all on his/her own.

Sure hope he's not related to Chuck or Bobby.

Lived in Westwood in early 50s as a first grader and I'm I'm glad I didn't catch what this guy got; assuming it wasn't reporter ignorance?

I'm with Razor.

The fact that Team Sergeant politely corrected the newspaper on 1/26 and nothing's been changed or acknowledged five days later lends credence to this theory.

At best
 

At best during that time frame he might have served in a Recon Bn or Force Recon Company and gone to Ph II Weapons or Engineers.

I have never know a Marine to be shy about saying he was in a Recon Bn or Force Recon Company. Most are right proud of it and will say so - even in print.

I don't see anything "Recon" related.

I found a few more bits & emails:

Kenneth L. Fry
engineers@bd-engineering.com
Senior Vice President
BD Engineering,
1825 Swarthmore Ave
Lakewood, NJ 08701

Asbury Park Press
Business Editor
Dennis Carmody
business@app.com

Frantasy Enterprises, LLC,
Frances Kirschner, owner
fkirschner@optonline.net
www.frantasyenterprises.com

The article was written as a "reader submitted" by Ms Kirschner, so I doubt the paper cares what was in it.

I would think as a professional she would checks her facts?? :D

Sir,
I would have to agree with you on this. Bn Recon isn't out of the realm of possibility for a 'first termer' with Force Recon being remotely possible but highly unlikely during an initial single enlistment since they prefer a little experience with a line company at least or preferably select from Bn Recon since they have attended Amphib Recon School and are usually already jump and dive qualified. But, as with anything, it's the need of the Corps at the time. My guesstimation is the reporter quoted him out of context or he is FOS and probably never served at all.

His office is a few miles from my house. I'll give him a call and put this to rest.

I'd like to know also, did he get out of the Marines and join SF? (it happens) I'd also like to know how SF (Green Berets) and Marines get mentioned in the same article, especially when the guy admits to only have served four years....;)

Roger that TS, I'll cover that territory.

Just spoke with Mr. Fry, very receptive to my email and call enquiring about his service. Class 4-83, Honor Graduate, will be sending his certificate via email tommorrow to me. I will forward to the admins.

That doesn't match the story very well...... I was in 1-83 and we graduated in May 1983. 4-83 would have probably graduated very late in the year. The article states he served in “Special Ops” from 1980-1984.... at that time there was NO Marine “Special Ops”.

I'll wait for his certificate. We can also do some digging of our own.;)

TS

I guess it is a matter of semantics and form as to whether attending the Q course makes you a "Green Beret," since a Marine would never wear the head gear. Probably would have been better to say in a bio:
"Attended U.S. Army Special Forces (Green Beret) training while in the United States Marines."

I assume someone at the school house can validate his attendance. I know we had sister services and allied students at Ranger School, and my SF Officer's Course had allies (but no Marines), but that was in the mid 1970's.

* TAD = Marine speak for Temporary Additional Duty, their term for what we call TDY and return.

We're working on that right now......;)

TS

Unbelievable!
 

We are in possession of Mr. Fry's documents and at first glance it would appear he telling the absolute truth!

I am 99.999% sure he graduated from the Special Forces Qualification Course and Graduated SF Demo course as the Honor Grad!

Congrats Mr Fry. We are writing Special Forces history with your story, as most of us had no idea Marines were allowed to attend the Q-Course and "return" to the Marines!

Team Sergeant

(I would have taken the bet that you were a fake and lost.)

I stand corrected and eat my words. My cover is off to you Mr. Frye.

CEASE FIRE FREEZE
Pass the ketch-up for this crow.
Ya'll wait your damn turns! There is plenty for all.:D

So does this count as vetting? Welcome, brother.:o

I'd like some hot mustard with my serving.

TS, all...been busy, haven't followed the thread, but Class 6-76 had three jarheads in it...two attended the weapons course and one attended commo...all three graduated...out of a graduating class of 26+1...

"26+1" = Katie Wilder?

You just had to bring up that name......:mad::eek::o

Oh, here we go again. The Wilder fiasco was after '76.

QSL your last.

I'll withdraw back to my corner for the next mission.. :o


AL send .. :munchin

This story is now a FACT. We have rock solid confirmation.

Mr. Ken Fry did in fact graduate from the Special Forces Qualification Course and not just the demo portion.

Mr. Fry in a world of fakes and frauds its a pleasure to find someone with a seemingly impossible story that is actually "TRUE".

This is one for the SF history books.;)

Team Sergeant

Does this give Mr. Fry the right to wear a Green Beret if he elects to ? :confused:

GB TFS :munchin

Sorry for coming to this late, but my class had three Marines.

One of them crossed the street to SF after completing his enlistment with the USMC.

He works with Longrange1947 at this very moment.

:)

magician,

I think many of us have heard of Marines attending the Q-Course with the intent of an inter-service transfer. I don't think many of us have ever heard of Marines auditing the Q Course.

TS

The three Marines who attended the course with my class completed all three phases (the full course in that era), then returned back to their units in the Corps. I remember at least one of them telling me that he had to "promise" that he would remain in the Corps and not reenlist in the US Army as a precondition to attending.

I have a friend, who is also a good friend of Guy's, who attended the full Q-Course and then was sent to SWC as a Marine to work at SERE in the late 1980's. He was a Marine, but he was also cadre.

I may not fully understand the way that you are using the term "audit." My feeling is, if a member from another service attends the entire course, and experiences it in all respects, it is difficult to say that he is "auditing the course." If a member from another service observes training, and does not fully participate, it is much easier to say that he is "auditing the course."

We all went through the course with members of foreign militaries. My class had a Pakistani Major, and I believe (been a long time) a Kenyan Sergeant Major. Also, an Israeli Major. They did the whole course, though I suspect that the officers did not receive certain blocks of instruction. This raises the issue of whether those gentlemen were "auditing" or "attending."

In any case, they all crossed the stage with the rest of the class and shook General Lutz's hand.

magician,

IMO to audit is to attend a course of interest without receiving the "credit" or in this case the "MOS".

The Q-Course is nothing like Ranger school, which is a leadership school and those that successfully attend receive an ASI. The Q produces soldiers ready to go on to an "A-Team", where they reveive further training and become members of Special Forces. Also IMO, if you passed the Q-Course and never served on an A-Team you are not Special Forces. This has already been discussed at length concerning a certain female that threatened a lawsuit after she audited the Q-Course.

TS

I agree with much of this.

Ranger School is obviously a leadership school. We all know that. Graduates receive an ASI, and usually term themselves "Ranger-qualified," or "graduates of Ranger School," with most people reserving the simple term "Ranger" for members of the 75th Infantry.

Before the foundation of 18-series, graduation from the Q-course also earned an SQI, for enlisted it was "S," and as I recall for officers, it was "G." Since the establishment of Special Forces as a Branch, graduates generally receive 18-series MOS's.

I also agree that graduates of the Q-Course who do not serve on an ODA should not be called "Special Forces." The problem, as we have all seen, is that a person who receives a certificate of course completion can be considered privileged to term themselves "SF-Qualified."

In the case of one of the Marines who went through Class 4-84 with me, he reenlisted in the US Army, and was awarded an 18-series MOS based on previous course completion. As I recall, he went through some sort of admin orientation deal that lasted a few weeks to get his records transferred over and to get him oriented to the US Army, and he was then off to 7SFGA, where I understand that he served honorably for several years.