Whitehouse.gov already calling for gun ban
 

Well, that didn't take long.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/

"Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent."

"O" Keys
 

I see they didn't have any problems finding the "O" keys.

Interesting that "it" is under the heading of:

"Crime & Law Enforcement"

What a crock of sh**, IMHO.

Long live the, "Gun & Knife Shows!"

Just my .02.

Holly

But.... why will we need guns anymore?

We'll have world peace within the week.

:rolleyes:

They will play hell collecting all the 'assault' and NFA firearms out there.

I have written my reps and told them how I feel about guns.

We can run to the Internet and cry or we can tell the people who can do something about it that we will not allow our rights to be stolen.

With respect, I disagree with part of your statement. Both activities are important.

I have benefited from the members of this forum and others articulating their views on gun control. By reading their comments and doing my own research I've come to understand better the propriety and necessity of the Second Amendment. This emerging understanding has led to conversations with friends who favor gun control. They, in turn, have begun to refine, if not reconsider, their positions.

This subject has been beat to death and the end result is always that those with evil intent will still have access to firearms and will use them for whatever purpose they desire....despite whatever Do-Gooder LAW is enacted.

On a hunch, I would guess to say that injuries and deaths incurred by negligent firearms use are far less than those incurred by negligent use of automobiles and baseball bats.....and it is much easier to aquire a car or baseball bat than it is a firearm.....That is how stupid gun laws are.

Proper education is the key, not laws.


It might mean jail, but The One and his ilk can KMA.


I'll go back to discussing with my wife the brainwashing my kids received at school today.

Well, all those who believed the bullshit about the Dims not wanting to take your guns, try and get your votes back (again).

The leopard does not change his spots.

They have two years of unrestricted opportunity to issue legislation attacking our 2nd Amendment rights, and the only thing which could stop them is the SCOTUS, which is about evenly divided.

Contact your legislators, probably Dims, and see if they will buck the Pelosi and Reid agenda.

I strongly suspect that in most cases, they will not.

We are not seen as constituents to them, just rednecks clinging to guns and religion.

Change you can believe in indeed.

TR

Disappointed, not surprised.
 

I'll write to my reps.

I renewed my NRA membership.

I just gave money to the NRA Civil Rights Defense fund.


I agree with Sten--do something.

Joined NRA and Donated.

The AWB is a dead issue as there are plenty out there to be had. Just today the gun shop received 50 stripped uppers and they were gone by lunch as the owner has said has happened every 2-3 days since mid October.

the NRA tool for finding your rep.

http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/

Good one. The "kids" here probably don't get it.

I'd bet you that the White House curator won't have to call the President and the First lady in Crawford and ask for the china and furniture back.

I remember. _ill everyone else?

Did I say not to contact your representatives?

You're probably right though, none of us should pass along any pertinent information. I mean, we have the media for that, right? :rolleyes:

Not that he should have had to, but President Bush informed his staff during the changeover "No Monkey Business" or something to that effect.

It's looking like we are currently being fed.....

TS


"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."

(Norman Thomas, 1936 presidential candidate on the Socialist ticket)

This is frankly, just not true. Re-enactment of the AWB is plain and simply infringement of our second amendment rights. It should not be dismissed.

The way I'm understanding your point, it's analogous to "The first amendment is a dead issue, as there's plenty of time to speak your piece before speech is banned".

Currently, my upper is back ordered 16 weeks or more. I don't really call that "plenty".

With respect,
Jake

It seemed to me from an outsider's perspective to be one of the more professional/friendly changeovers. I expected nothing less, to be honest.

I wonder how long it will be before the gub-mint finally gets the NRA added to the list of extremist organizations.......

I just don't see Obama signing another AWB he wants a second term but he might sign one in the second if he doesn't want to help the next candidate.

$20 says he gets it done within 12 months....probably sooner.

Jason have you seen the electoral map from the election, I'm sure you have but take another look, http://www.npr.org/news/specials/ele...nt?view=race08 those blue states, with the exception of NC they're not interested in your right to bear arms, he got elected without them. Don't be fooled, he is no friend to the 2nd amendment. Look into his history, he pushed a bill in Illinois to make a home owner whose house was broken into and whose gun was stolen a felon. Just let that soak in for a second.

So some scumbag breaks into your house and takes your property in your castle, and you didn't have your gun locked up, so now you get convicted of a felony and your right to own a gun is gone, along with your ability to get a good job, because some thieving POS broke into YOUR house, you the VICTIM get punished, that’s how anti gun he is.:eek: No matter how many commercials or statements he made during the election, he is anti gun period. :mad:

I say in the first 100 days.

The big miscalculation is that the margins in some states were significant enough that a 90% flip by angry gun owners could turn the color of the state. That could reverse the coattails that carried a lot of the Dims in close races.

NC, FL, PA, and OH have a LOT of gun owners and hunters, some of who voted for change, and hopefully, they will remember come election time.

TR

Another AWB may be the only way we get rid of him before 2016 as we still don't seem to have a viable candidate at the moment.

:(

I live in a red state in a city where a paraplegic was indicted for excessive force for shooting a burglar twice with a .22 rifle. If I have a burglar I will be screwed because the .22 would be the last weapon of choice in my arsenal.

Don't worry about policy statements, look at what is knocking at the doorstep right now.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...d?bill=h111-45

Definitely a step in the total gun ban direction. But I'm not so sure Obama will be the one to try to execute a total gun ban. I'm sure he will limit gun/ammo options and add bureaucracy. I DO think he is serious about trying to "bring people together" and knows he will lose all credibility with sceptics if he tries to end the 2nd amendment. It's pretty much the best case scenario with a cabinet staff of Hilldog who would probably want to join the UN global gun ban and Emanuel who was a key writer in the '94 AWB.

-Patrick Henry

Thomas Jefferson

( I haven't independently verified the accuracy of these quotes )

Yet another lightly veiled attack on the 2nd amendment. This crap does nothing to fix the issues. Criminals do not care what laws you put in place, they don't register their stolen weapons, and they sure as hell aren't going to register to own a weapon as it's yet another felony for a felon to own a weapon, so this crap is just about punishing/making the life of the law abiding gun owner difficult, but more importantly as others have said registration is the first step to taking our guns, first they have to know who has them. :mad:

Sadly some gun owners couldn't care less about the second amendment. It was those voters who carried the day for Obama. Regrettably My father is a gun owner who can't stand the NRA and doesn't understand why I own evil black rifles and handguns.

"The control of firearms is very important in the control of the population, and to counter or prevent any form of armed resistance..." - to paraphrase a multitude of fascist, socialist, communist and tyranist writers.

An unarmed and cowed populace is what has created multiple overthrows of regimes - Krystallnacht, Prague, Beijing, Krakow come to mind over the past 100 or so years. As a society, America has forgotten that the ownership of firearms is protected by the Consititution to protect the abililty of the citizenry to form militias to protect the country should our government or a foreign entity threaten the country. Our own citizenry has allowed a 'domestic threat' to arise, by their own hand, in the guise of a 'protection of rights of the unarmed'.

The revolution will come - slowly, quietly, and insidiously, and as TS signature relates - nobody will know how it happened.

The removal of some rights - to obstensibly protect other rights - is a bad idea. We as a nation have to be self reliant, responsible, and stop thinking that we are entiltled to anything other than the rights protected by the Constituion, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence - and the right to work our asses off to get everything else desired - whether we achieve those goals or not. The Pursuit of happiness is guaranteed, actual happiness is not.

Gun ownership is protected, but a felon's rights are abridged by the fact a crime has been commited - this has been upheld by the government at State and Federal levels - therefore felons should be prosecuted, not law abiding gun owners - who happen to be the great majority of this population (gun owners).

rant over - back to your regularly scheduled programming.

I vehemently agree x SF med, so much so that I just tried to send an email to every member of the Judiciary committee where this stinking bill currently resides, unfortunately they don't make that easy to do.

Of the 40 members of the Judiciary committee I only got email addresses to 3 when clicking on the contact me link on each of their websites. On the judiciary committee website there is no way to contact all (not that it surprises me). So I started going down their list one by one, on most I had to guess at their address as the vast majority of them asked for your name and address and had a zip code authenticator that basically blocked you if you are not in their district. So I punched in their first and last name with the mail.hous.gov domain and hit send, 12 went through, 28 bounced.

Trent Franks,Steven King, Maxine Waters, Randy Forbes, Jackson Lee, Darrell Issa, Zoe Lofgren, Dan Lungren, Robert Scott, Elton Gallegly, James Sensenbrenner, Lamar Smith, Dan Maffei, Debbie Schultz, Linda Sanchez, Adam Schiff, Charles Gonzalez, Tammy Baldwin Gregg Harper Brad Sherman Tom Rooney, Luis Gutierrez, Jason Chaffetz, Pedro Pierluisi Ted Poe, Hank Johnson, Jim Jordan, and Robert Wexler all bounced, if any of these are your rep please shoot them an email, or if you can get their email PM me and I'll more than happy to email them myself. I tried to google them but just kept getting their websites. Maybe I should file a FOIA for the congressional email roster, of course on one of the ones that went through I got this response

So maybe it wouldn't even matter if I got their email addresses correct.

Here is the email I've sent already,

Folks, you can follow these links and the others related. Every thinking individual must make up their own mind on the subject matter, but make no mistake never before have the stars been aligned for the US Government to decide for you what the concept of liberty and freedom really means for every individual citizen of this country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2N...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkS2B...eature=related

It looks like the fox is trying to take a different route into the henhouse.

Senate Bill 2286 recently died in committee in the state of Mississippi. If passed this bill would have required serial encoding of all ammunition produced or sold in the state. It also would have required disposal of all non encoded ammunition by 1 Jan 2010!

This all apparently falls under the larger umbrella of the Ammunition Accountability Act. On one of their websites, their motto is "saving lives one bullet at a time".

If this ever passes, it will probably make ammunition unafordable by most, not to mention the issues it poses to 2nd ammendment rights ( protection of freedom) and privacy issues.

This is currently underway in other states. I would encourage everyone to check their local legislation and make sure this is not silently making its way onto the books in their area.

Health and safety to all.

This type of legislation really concerns me. It seems those that oppose the second ammendment are taking action that has worked well for the anti hunting/trapping groups. Rather than pushing for outright bans which meet heavy opposition, these groups have sought to place restictions on rights rather than removing them. It seems that the chisel works better than the axe. Sorry if I have moved off topic.

A law isn't worth the paper it's written on, if there is no one willing to enforce it.

Well, as we have learned, there is always someone willing to violate the Constitution and their fellow citizen's rights for a paycheck.

You think that people in England, Canada, and Australia didn't say they same thing?

How many died by their guns? How many risked their family members' lives by armed resisitance?

You think that after Ruby Ridge and Waco, people will not eventually, gradually give up their guns, by one means, or another?

No need to go door to door to collect them. Just make ammo unavailable and have fellow citizens turn in anyone who has the temerity to actually take a gun out and fire it. Just restrict ownership further and further, into narrower categories, till all you can own is an Airsoft gun. Just round up shooters and their guns every time they shoot, and make them convicted felons with no rights till they dry up and die off.

This will be a lot easier than you think, despite the protestations.

TR

Sad as it is...
 

You're right Reaper while 40 million hunting rifles could take on a couple of million soldiers with armor and etc, it will not likely be done. We'll all end up sheep and the leftist sheep will rule. If enough resistance flares up in a spot or two there may then be a ground swell of the same and then who knows. I will have to do a lot of thinking. Blitz
PS I've never been a sheep, and resistance is in the blood.

And thus, it starts? "One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms."

-- Constitutional scholar and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, 1840

As a former NY Rep. for the 2nd Amendment Sisters, I spent a lot of time discussing the AWB and attending gun shows and meeting with hunters in the upstate region of NY. They didn't think that their weapons were an issue in the matter of "gun control". Their attitude was, "well, all I do is hunt with it so I can feed my family". My arguments on why they should join the cause fell on deaf ears and eventually I just said "well, then I guess you can do your hunting at the local walmart or grocery store with your grocery cart because one day your hunting rifles and shotguns will be dust collectors". They would just shrug and move on. We worked simultaneously with the NRA to educate and get the word out about our 2nd Amendment rights being in jeopardy.
I have read about the encoding on ammo. And it is another form of "gun control" only I think it's a much "slicker" way of going about it. It will get to the point where you won't be able to buy ammo and thusly, they have won their "gun control" issue.
There have been numerous reports on how "gun control" ie, banning weapons in England has caused many a victimized citizen to become a felon for protecting their property and their family with a now "illegal" weapon. And now the good people of England are outraged. Here are two stories that are good examples and possibly where we are headed soon if our governments wish "to protect us" from ourselves becomes a reality:

In 1994 an English homeowner, armed with a toy gun, managed to detain two burglars who had broken into his house while he called the police. When the officers arrived, they arrested the homeowner for using an imitation gun to threaten or intimidate. In a similar incident the following year, when an elderly woman fired a toy cap pistol to drive off a group of youths who were threatening her, she was arrested for putting someone in fear. Now the police are pressing Parliament to make imitation guns illegal.

In 1999 Tony Martin, a 55-year-old Norfolk farmer living alone in a shabby farmhouse, awakened to the sound of breaking glass as two burglars, both with long criminal records, burst into his home. He had been robbed six times before, and his village, like 70 percent of rural English communities, had no police presence. He sneaked downstairs with a shotgun and shot at the intruders. Martin received life in prison for killing one burglar, 10 years for wounding the second, and a year for having an unregistered shotgun. The wounded burglar, having served 18 months of a three-year sentence, is now free and has been granted �5,000 of legal assistance to sue Martin.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/Content/News/...TonyMartin.asp

http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html (it's an article from 02, but these stories and ones like them keep surfacing.)


I liked this quote, so I had to share it:
"As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives [only] moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks."

-- Thomas Jefferson, writing to his teenaged nephew