BHO as an Illinois state Senator and his views on the 2nd amendment
 

Found this today. Although BHO as been giving a lot of "lip service" on his stance for sportsman and the 2nd Amendment, let's really look at how he feels.

The NRA magazine Freedom First has done an excellent job of exposing B. Hussein Obama to true 2nd Ammendment supporters. My own feelings...Let him try. I would have to cite a famous Charlton Heston quote for how that would end. Molon Lobe!!!!

See, that is the REAL Obama, not the one running for office now.

Great article, thanks for posting.

Anyone who is not filling any gaps in their weapons collections and accumulating mags and ammo may be unable to do so down the road, thanks to Nancy, Harry, and Barrack.

The AWB will be renewed as a permanent piece of legislation, and that will be just the beginning. Firearms owners nationwide are going to be seriously impacted.

TR

Sobering to say the very least.

A question.

So he gets into office and begins the assault on the 2nd. I can see them making ammo and new guns disappear, but how would you go about confiscating millions of weapons already out there?

Pass a law
 

Simple as pass a law.

Pass a law making all auto and semi auto weapons illegal. Having one in your possession is an automatic 20 years in jail. Those who obey the law will comply, the others? Well, the criminals have the courts on their side. Joe the plumber don't.

With talk radio muzzled it will be easy with the help of the MSM.

I'd say England and Australia already showed to how to it.

You don't drop the frog into boiling water, you do it a little at the time.

"Reasonable measures." "Sensible restrictions." "Its for the children".

TR

YEP!

And!

Once the conservative media is busted ( take a look at the Biden interview of a few days ago), we may have to turn to Europe for news. Hell, maybe the first Pravda will be a source we turn to. :mad:

My $.02.


RF 1

I see what you and Pete are getting at. Kind of like if you created an economic situation where you could trade in your firearms for money, put food on the table. And if you had un-registered weapons you didn't trade in, and you got caught with them you would face jail time.

A couple things I found interesting about Obama's comments on the 2nd. It was something like I won't take your hunting rifles away and I have no problem with someone protecting themselves inside their home.

It is what he didn't say that drew my interest.

And it is stated here:

http://www.truthfightsback.com/site/smear/293/

http://www.truthfightsback.com/smear/287

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ets_obama.html


I think this one says it all:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ad..._Sportsmen.pdf


Reasonable and Sensible.....those type people don't rob others at gun point.

Could be some ominous days ahead......Someday some of you might be knocking on my door under orders from B-Ho firmly requesting to peaceably hand over my registered toys. :(

Interesting that you should post this link. One thing that JUMPED right out at me was this.....

I believe someone on this board already had mentioned that.....


Hummmmmmmmm...........:munchin

Don't have to dig far to find Obamas opinions.

Blue Steel Democrats posted an email reply from Obama 06-2007
On the Issues, gun control.

I get PAGE NOT FOUND.

As a lifelong resident of Chicago , I can assure you that if BHO wins this election, he and they will do anything and everything they can to outlaw and remove firearms from the homes of private citizens. You can take that to the bank. It has already begun here in Chicago.

Guns sales are already up.

I may add one to that number. I really wasn't planning on buying another assault wpn (i just bought a nice 1952 Tula Sks (Arsenal Refurb w/ all matching sn's) since I really don't shoot all that much and want a hunting rifle / new bow more, but now I might.

So very many bad signs about the impending train-wreck of an obama administration...

My Bad. I meant this link you posted.....

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ets_obama.html

No LEO will remove firearms from the homes of the American public. I have talked with some ABI, ATF, and local police officers...the same answer as come out more than once. "Time to find a new job." If they do pass a law and it makes gun owners criminals, then the ones that passed the law should be forced to remove the firearms...in person.

I would hope that would be the case, but throughout history there seems to always be a fringe element ready to make it's mark on the world or situation. There are some folks here in the US that would argue over zealous actions by LE has taken place on at least two occasions.

A good motivational speaker like Hitler, a master spin doctor like Heir Goebbels, a few power seekers like Himmler, a complacent press and an audience seeking change for their woes is all you need to get things rolling.

I think you are mistaken, and Randy Weaver and David Koresh, along with many others, have made that same assumption.

There is always someone who will come to do it, if the cause and price are right.

Did Hitler have a problem finding concentration camp guards?

TR

Aside from Randy Weaver and David Koresh (both were accused of committing felony's at the time) you have a more recent example of Law Enforcement officers forcibly disarming law abiding citizens. The City of New Orleans just entered in to an agreement to settle a law suit brought by the NRA on behalf of the people who had their lawfully owned guns illegally confiscated by law enforcement during Katrina.

If law enforcement officers were willing to illegally confiscate firearms from lawful gun owners than what makes you think that they wouldn't be willing to confiscate illegal guns held by the unlawful? Under a national handgun and rifle ban every lawfully owned gun becomes illegal and every lawful owner becomes an instant criminal they second they refuse to turn their guns in. It can and will happen. Sure there will be plenty of cops who are sickened by having to do it and a good number that will quit their jobs in protest, but history has shown us that there will be enough willing to carry out their duties that it will happen.

No offense TriQshot, but you're wrong, my guess is the ABI, ATF and local PD officers you have talked to are folks you know who think like you do. I was a local PD officer for years and know hundreds of officers in local and Federal agencies, and while many of them do feel the way you have stated and would use that type of law selectively against folks who need to be put away forever, there are just as many who will act on the law without question or discretion, some even zealously. There are guys, believe me I've worked with them, who will arrest people for anything they can, just to get the stat. I don't agree with that type of LEO, but they exist in large numbers unfortunately. There are also many LEO's, and they tend to be young/new who take a very black and white view on the Law, and these type of cops will charge you and take your firearms if the law says they can. I can give you hundreds of examples of these types of LEO's taking people to jail for nearly no reason in my opinion, the reality is most good LEO's use a great deal of discretion, we choose when to apply the law to the max extent and when not to, but that takes common sense, intelligence, and some risk. While LEO's by far and large are good people they are not immune to society’s ills just as any other subsection in American and we have our fair share of knuckleheads, many more than you can even imagine. I could tell you stories that would turn your hair white, but I'm not going to hijack this thread.

I’ll get off my soap box, but I'll just say we all need to keep an every close eye on how Obama and his cronies do business, they silence anyone who disagrees with them, they are full on trying to bring socialism to this country, they are willing to take away your freedom of speech and our second amendment rights and if they succeed we will no longer be a citizens, we’ll be a subjects. Just my .02

+1. I have been in Federal Law Enforcement for a year now. I am shocked at the number of LEO'S, especially Federal that are against private Citizens owning Guns. Many of them feel that private Citizens simply have no business owning Firearms. I have attended several inter Agency training venues. The amount of anti Gun comments is scary. There are plenty of LEO'S that would enforce Gun control on law abiding Citizens.
The MSM has been silent on the issue of the 2nd Amendment this election. That is enough right there to be concerned. I may be exempt from the coming Gun bans because of my job. But that hasn't stopped me from stock piling Mags, Ammo and upper receivers for over a year now.

Seems fairly clear the founding fathers intent was an individual right to keep and bear arms. Reasons for it seem crystal clear.

Amazing foresight those men had, but then they had lived through those circumstances..