Bad Toelz
 

A friend sent me these pictures taken at the 50th re-union last fall. This is the Market Strasse and looks exactly as it did forty yrars ago and probably forty years before that.

Looking the opposite direction. The only change is that vehicular traffic is now restricted.

The Toelz
 

What about the quad?
Still standing?
And the Sportsman's Lodge?
And the tunnels?
The pool?
The airfield?

I haven't been there since 1967. I understand a housing developement company has bought Flint Kaserne and is making it into apartments and Condos. Some of the main building was left in place. BTAAF was turned over to the civilians. Soaring is a big sport in Bavaria what with the thermals from the Alps.

Thank you.

I enjoyed my short tour there, I thought it was the perfect location for the SFOD(E).

Never was in Toelz, but man do those pics make me miss Germany! Its getting into fest season right about now, isn't it?

Edited for poor German spelling

good memories
 

I remember that place very well. I grew up in germany and Bad tolz was one of my earliest memories. To answer your question about the kasern, airfield ect. The airfield is currently in use by commercial airlines. Last time I was home, I saw germany military on the kasern logistics. I didnt recognize any combat arms IE Fahlschemjagers oder Spetzialaheiten.
LarV

the flint kaserne is now called the flint center with a county department in it(landratsamt). all walls and fences have been removed. a new ice hockey stadium was built on the east side and there are now some stores and a bank inside the flint kaserne. i'll send some pics.


something totally different, I am looking for this vest: if somebody has a similar vest he wants to get rid of pm/email me. I think it is made by eagle ciras/paraclete. size small or medium.
pic of the vest
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6986/d4t1b5dq.jpg

thank you.

Matt

Matt:

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FYI, this isn't a swap meet.

TR

i suspect they still allow Leonardhifarht to go through...still miss the place...

Razor, if memory serves me, Herbstfest should be cranking up in a week or so, if they still have it (i'm not sure what relevance an international parachuting competition would have without us there)...of course, Oktoberfest is next month...there used to be (and i suspect there still are) several major Schutzen festivals throughout the summer, but fall into winter was a more festive season...

The Fallschirmjaeger school, at least in the 1980s, was in Altenstadt, about 40 minutes from Toelz. IIRC Altenstadt was simply an airborne training facility and didn't host any combat arms units. They had a 34 foot tower, a replica from Benning. The only difference was the risers didn 't have any slack, risers and cable! Thus I made sure the package was well stowed.

The Luftlande- und Lufttransportschule is still in Altenstadt and is still just a school, at least the last time I was there a couple of years ago.

As for "special units," the main one is the KSK. They are at Calw, which is a short ride from Böblingen, where 1/10 is at now.

A bunch of Bad Tölz pictures over time are here: http://www.usarmygermany.com/USAREUR_City_BadToelz.htm

Our good friends at Calw, 3/251 Fallschirmjaegers, hosted my pathfinder team in some SERE training. Suffice to say, they would have done their forefathers proud when it came to interrogation techniques. :eek:

Great pics and website. Bad Toelz is a special town and the people are fantastic.
One New Years Eve, I was pulling CQ and this guy walks into the office. He owned a farm five or so miles down the road. He didn't speak any English, except for 'Happy New Year' and handed me a bottle of wine. Explaining that he knew some soldier would have to pull duty on New Years Eve and miss the celebrating with friends or family. We talked for awhile, wished each other a 'Happy New Year' and he went home to his family. I'll never forget that guy.

When I first arrived at Flint, I was living in the Kaserne. In the morning, you'd go to one huge room filled with sinks and mirrors, to another room with toilets and urinals and for a shower to another room down the hall. Felt like you should toss on your ruck, just to make the rounds every morning. :cool:

Or Razor were you thinking of "Fasching" which begins on November 11th at the 11th hour and the 11th minute. Doesn't end until 40 or so days before lent. Now those were parties!

Nope, I was referring to the veritable plethora of fests of all sorts that seem to occur in the fall. Sadly, I never participated in a Fasching celebration while I was over there. From the stories, though, it was probably for the best. ;)

The Bavarians celebrated aaaaaaalot of 'holidays'. Fasching was a biggin'. As I remember ( through "my celebration help") Was that....... at the end of Fasching, a Bayern male should be able to go down to the Isar, hold his wallet in the river to wash it out. BECAUSE, he had NO money left.

When I celebrated with them........the first part was great, alot of drinking and partying. As I remember, Fasching does have something to do with Lent. (No, I'm not Googling...... there was a time way back when, that the net didn't exist.)

Thing was, I had/have a wallet. Yet, still to this day as then, I don't carry it, nor have I ever put bills in it.

The Toelzers I was with figured since I had no wallet, I'd need to rinse my pockets in the river. Being as it was a once a year Religious custom and they were great friends, I went into the Isar and rinsed and washed my frickin' pockets. It was the third or so week in Nov. Air was cold, the water was cold, after the 'cleansing' it was frickin' FRIGID. But hey. I got free drinks for months afterwards. Not to mention ........other 'stuff'.

I was in my early twenties then. Would I do the same thing 30 some odd years later?

Absofuckinlutley!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone
 

Is there anyone on the board currently stationed at Bad Toelz? If so please shoot me a P.M. as I am stationed in Germany at the moment and am looking for some information. Thanks much :munchin

NO!! BTAAF is a private aur field and Flint Karerne is a housing developmenr.

Roger that QRQ 30, thank you for the clarification. I will try and track down some 10th groupers here in Germany another way.

You need to look about 150 mi north.:D

A damn shame too!!!!!!!!!

OK. Let' try this. Does anybody out here remember what the housing/apartment complex across from Flint Kaserne was called? Hint: Auf Deutsch.......

Auf Deutsch ich weis nicht, aber auf Englisch: "Brownbagger Hill".:lifter

dunno that it had a name, but i lived on Am Lettenholz...i believe the units uphill were on Patton Strasse...

;) When I was there, it was referred to as 'das kinder fabrik'

Where my wife and I lived, were the old SS type quarters.

I drove by Flint Kaserne, or what's left of it in February. I was driving to Lngries to do some skiing on the Brauneck and went by the old kaserne and housing areas. It is a commercial park now and the gate has been removed.

I spent about 3 weeks in Late 2001 in that area working an exercise for 1-10 Back then the housing had been converted into apartments, but the gate was still there. It must have been a great place to be stationed, and the snow this year was incredible. Winter taining right outside your door.

Anyway, if I get down that way again I'll get some pictures and try to post them.

A shame that the 1st bat. moved to Boeblingen.

BTW the Kaserne in Lenggries former Luftwaffe is empty now and they are still looking for someone to move into. ;) Perhaps the Army should check that out. It is not far from Garmisch.

PS Lettenholz aka General Patton Strasse is full of foreigners now mainly Turkish and Russians families. One of the cheaper parts of Toelz.

In the Flint Kaserne there is now a building which looks like a snail. It has a bank in it and some medical doctors. They spent millions for it but it is a total desaster. You even can not see it from the street because it is inside the Kaserne.:confused:
picture:
http://www.kreisbote.de/storage/pic/...serne__web.jpg

I live outside of Bad Toelz so feel free to ask.

Matt

Wow, that doesn't even look like the Flint Kaserne I remember. If memory serves me right, General Patton St was at the top of the hill.

Damn!!!!!!!!

Been a long time for me, Yeah, that is in the quadrangle. Not sure, but that flag pole to the left of that thing may have been the same one when I was there, when we stood formation.

Oh this is just NOT right!!!!!!!

Hey Matt,
Fill out your profile. I have questions as I'm sure others out here do...........

Thanks

Nope, sure isn't right! It down not like the quadrangle I stood and walked across,drove through and so for a few very good years. We gave up great place. My understanding is the kaserne was US property due to we captured it in the war.

Yeah bost, It was as I remember, a SS Officer training facility. It's been awhile, since I have tried finding info on the net about Flint. Tried on and off for years. Then again, it's probably just my PC and the internet. I know, I type the right stuff into the search engines. It's right to me anyway. ;) Why the powers to be ever decided to move out of there, I'll never get.

The Quad
 

Yea, I remember the quad. The barracks behind the quad, a few of the building surrounding the quad. Man, those new pictures sure look different. Been about 15 years since I was there. Wasn't there supposed to be a tunnel from the quad to that pond nearby?

Satellite view of Bad Toelz
 

I was searching for something else. A Place just out of Toelz, I went to alot and became good friend's with the owner, his mom and Oma. Can't remember the name of his place though, but have some idea how I used to drive to it. That and I have a 1:50 000 map sheet.

Anyway, the satellite view is pretty good and shows that Gastropod invading the Quadrangle.

http://www.clasohm.com/google-maps/l...ation_id=13331

Great view. Sure bings back a lot of great memories. Do you recall all the "stuff" that would be found occasionally? My understanding is there are several floors under the main level and they ended up being flooded to keep people out and away from old stuff such as booby traps, weapons etc.

Damm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!t
I just typed alot of response hit enter and....... told me I'm logged off and I can't find all that typing and response bost. I'll try again tomorrow. I'll type it in Word and copy. I did NOT log off and I was typing. I'll beat it. ;) Fought against saying stuff to answering machines, when they first came out. After I got out of the Army, I refused to order through the clown thing at the drive up windows. Also refused to use a puter until 1994. Ok, I've given in to all that to some extent. ;) Still...... there was nothing wrong with the old way......

Bad Tölz June 2004
 

Bad Tölz June 2004:
http://www.oradour.info/images/badtolz1.jpg
http://www.oradour.info/images/badtolz2.jpg
http://www.oradour.info/images/badtolz3.jpg

Yes bost, I do. When I was there, I heard that too. There are supposed to be 5 to 6 levels under the Kaserne. Sooooooooo, being us, we tried, when we had the time, to get at them. We got down three levels. The flooded, then sealed levels were 4,5 and maybe six. Yes, because of the supposed booby traps. Perhaps they learned in levels 1 and 2. I dunno. Maybe an old SF urban legend joke. I do know this. The Nazi's were great at underground stuff. My German teacher in Oberamergau, pointed out the window during one class and speaking in German, told us how her husband worked in THAT mountain...... building Messerschmits. (SP) BTW, Flint Kaserne was scheduled for bombing in ’45, December I believe, but the weather was bad.

I knew quite of few locals in Toelz. One of them took me some 30 or so minute drive out of town to a lake. Don’t remember the name of it…… used to . Took me to a place on the shore. There was a cement post about 5’ high, the size of a 4x4. Told me that as the war was coming to an end and we and the Russians were closing in, the Nazis dumped a ton of weapons in the lake at that place. Explained to me that it dropped off steep and deep, 100s of meters. He knew cause his Dad served during the war and was on that detail. I had been diving since ’61……… besides licking my lips….. well, forget the other excitement. Anyway, I would love to dive that spot. Thing is, I couldn’t find it, even if I were there now.

Thx for the pics Jaeger. Sind sie in Bayern?

Thing is. Those are the new Flint. To me a desecration of an incredible Historic Facility. Not to mention, how impressed and how much I loved being there. Flint Kaserne never ceased to impress.