I disagree - cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

Richard :munchin

That came out wrong....
 

I wasn't trying to say that their tactics were cause for this debate, but I see how my wording could have looked like mistaking correlation for causation.

I have no doubt that members of this forum can debate and discuss an issue without creating a division, but I do not think the nation as a whole can do the same.

I do stand by my opinion that this is a tactic they are using, and believe it is working (At least to some extent) with our policy makers and the general public.

Just my opinion and I could be way off base. I definitely have no desire to debate ANY topic with you Sir as I've read many of your posts and respect your opinion. That's all for me posting on this topic.......I'll go back to what I do know and post some more pics of weapons :D. I will continue to read more and post less ;).

Mike

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-paul-marshall

Afghan Blowback

There is no reason to restrict our freedoms at home.
April 8, 2011 4:00 A.M.

Last weekend, there were violent demonstrations in Afghanistan to protest a Koran burning in Florida. The Afghans who incited the demonstrations have delivered on several key Taliban objectives. They scored important points in the battle for hearts and minds when the U.S. president and senior American and NATO military commanders went on the defensive before Afghan audiences. More troubling, powerful American voices expressed doubts about bedrock American freedoms of speech and religion.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid debated holding hearings on Koran desecration. Sen. Lindsey Graham, who boasts of being a chief sponsor of legislation against flag burning, expressed his wish to “hold people accountable” for Koran burnings, since, while “free speech is a great idea,” America is “in a war.” When given a chance to explain, he dug this hole deeper. This isn’t the first time that violence has secured concessions from U.S. officials: Last September, Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer told an interviewer of his desire for a First Amendment exception that would allow those who immolate the Muslim holy book to be punished. These senior American leaders are, in effect, contemplating an Islamic blasphemy law — the first U.S. federal blasphemy law for any religion.

In response to this baleful drama, the first thing to understand is that accusations of apostasy, blasphemy, and insulting Islam are protean. In the Muslim world, blasphemy punishments are not used primarily against religious insult by the intolerant, but against those who express unpopular or dissenting views. International human-rights groups report that in Pakistan, blasphemy charges are also commonly used against neighbors and co-workers to settle personal scores.

Muslim blasphemy has recently been defined to include: denouncing stoning as a human-rights violation (Sudan), opening girls’ schools (Bangladesh), criticizing the Guardianship of the Jurists (Iran), petitioning for a constitution (Saudi Arabia), use of the word “Allah” by Christians (Malaysia), rejecting an order for violent jihad (Sudan), praying at the graves of relatives (Saudi Arabia), translating the Koran into Dari (Afghanistan), accidentally tearing a calendar page containing a Koranic verse (Pakistan), naming a teddy bear after a boy named Mohamed (Sudan), urging that the Koran be understood in its historical and cultural context (Indonesia), teaching Shiism (Egypt), and calling for a ban on child brides (Yemen). Mob violence, intimidation, court trials, and penalties accompany these cases.

And once in place, blasphemy laws are nearly impossible to reform. This year in Pakistan, Gov. Salman Taseer and cabinet minister Shabbaz Bhatti were murdered for opposing such laws.

Second, complaints of blasphemy are politically manipulated, particularly when levelled against someone in a foreign country. While, with political and social turmoil overwhelming many Organization of Islamic Conference members, the Florida Koran-burning case has the potential of going viral, so far it has not caused rioting in Mecca or anywhere else in the Muslim heartland, the Arab world. In fact, it is only rare Western “insults to Islam,” such as the Danish cartoons or the pope’s Regensburg speech (which linked Islam to violence), that become causes célèbres worldwide, and these occur only after concerted political campaigns to foment outrage.

Finally, by their nature, Muslim blasphemy punishments abjectly fail at bringing about social peace. Even aside from the problem of a law to protect only one religion, in the battle of ideas within Islam, blasphemy restrictions empower extremists, who use them to silence alternative voices. Muslim religious and political reformers working to lift their societies out of stunting ideological conformity are the first to be silenced.

As one such Muslim reformer, the late Egyptian scholar Nasr Hamid Abu-Zayd, pointed out: “Having been at the receiving end of such allegations — and driven from my home in Egypt to exile in the Netherlands — I can state with conviction that charges of apostasy and blasphemy are key weapons in the fundamentalists’ arsenal, strategically employed to prevent reform of Muslim societies and instead confine the world’s Muslim population to a bleak, colorless prison of socio-cultural and political conformity.”

The ultimate goal of the Taliban and other radical groups is, of course, to impose strict Islamic rule, which critically hinges on the regulation of speech about and within Islam. If our leaders now entertain proposals for restricting speech about and within Islam, one blowback from Operation Enduring Freedom may be in fact the decrease of freedom — here at home.


— Paul Marshall and Nina Shea are senior fellows at the Hudson Institute and authors of the forthcoming Silenced: How Apostasy and Blasphemy Codes are Choking Freedoms Worldwide.

EDITORIAL: When Muslims burn Korans
 

EDITORIAL: When Muslims burn Korans

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...s-burn-korans/

"Two dissidents, an Iranian and an Afghan, have posted a video to YouTube in which they burn a Koran. In the United States, the act would spark a debate about freedom of speech versus tolerance. In their countries, it is a criminal offense that could bring a death sentence............"

Hmmm, selective riots. Notice at the end of the editorial - the bit about nationalism.

I keep wondering...why burn it? There are more creative approaches.

Perhaps one could rip its pages out of the binding, run them through a low-end paper shredder, and make paper mache'. Then form it into a pinata and fill it with...oh, I don't know...individually wrapped bacon candied in maple syrup. And finally, let children from the local church beat on it as part of a benefit of some sort.

Way more creative than just burning it, IMO. :D

I agree….rather than burn it, since over 60% of the Qur’an is devoted to how the Kafir (non-Muslims) are to be treated by Muslims, I think everyone should read it - then its contents wouldn’t be distorted…

Pastor Who Burned Koran Says He Was Duped Into Holding Back
 

Pastor Who Burned Koran Says He Was Duped Into Holding Back

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/us/17jones.html?_r=1

"GAINESVILLE, Fla. — The pastor who stoked violence in Afghanistan earlier this month by burning a Koran in March produced a recording on Saturday that he said proved he was deceived last September when he agreed to cancel plans to burn 200 copies of the Koran................"

So now he has a recording of what Musri told him last year. So now who do we believe? Hmmmmmmm.

What did Mohammad have to say about lying for the cause?

Does this smack of our own 'Fairness Doctrine', where the government is essentially allowed to censure some, in order to give 'equal time' to others?

Is there a parallel here between this blasphemy law and what kept Germans in fear of the Gestapo?

We have our own issues here in our country. Its distressing to see the 'illuminated' Harry Reid obviously needs to go back and read Thomas Payne and Thomas Jefferson.