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PSM 10-04-2020 22:22

The Right (Center really, but no one understands that) ALWAYS falls for the Left's smoke screens. The mask mandate helps the leftist agitators and thugs to get away with violence, random or otherwise, because it limits facial recognition. Most (many, perhaps all) states had laws against masks at 'rallies' because of the KKK. Not now.

Badger52 10-05-2020 05:58

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Originally Posted by PSM (Post 662929)
The Right (Center really, but no one understands that) ALWAYS falls for the Left's smoke screens. The mask mandate helps the leftist agitators and thugs to get away with violence, random or otherwise, because it limits facial recognition. Most (many, perhaps all) states had laws against masks at 'rallies' because of the KKK. Not now.

Also let's the Left gauge how pliable a given population is. Just one example, Frau Whitmer is really pissed right now.

But 2 grown men (with no one in the stands) can yell at each other at a range of 2 inches until the one in black throws out the one in the colored play clothes - but it's Ok, because 'masks'.
:rolleyes:

frostfire 10-05-2020 08:03

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Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 662892)
Ok, for you and glebo, just one more, and you don't even have to go to the Gulag's video franchise that won't be named.

I'd say it's a "drop the mic" moment, but more like she steps away from the gore her broadsword hath wrought.

Here's the quick little press conf she b-slapped 'em with.


Ok, 'nuff on that. And with best wishes for a speedy recovery for the President and Mrs. Trump.

ok, that's a bit much :D but a dignified, lady-warrior she is...

...in the face of endless, horrendous, gaslighting press! :mad:
The way the press exploded with "but he didn't condemn white supremacy"
If I were her I would have replayed this fromYT
watch?v=ufflKZp18j8
or better yet, the same coverage clip by those reporters' very own activism media

Badger52 10-09-2020 18:39

A few heretics got together and...
 
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Well, perhaps that was the High Church of CDC's take on it.
You can be the judge.

The Great Barrington Declaration
As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.

Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.

Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.

As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.

The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection.

Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.

Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.

On October 4, 2020, this declaration was authored and signed in Great Barrington, United States, by:

Old Dog New Trick 10-09-2020 18:53

Well, DUH!:munchin

Badger52 10-09-2020 20:32

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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick (Post 662998)
Well, DUH!:munchin

Since Fauci's Queen-Aspirant didn't get annointed in Jan 2017, I'll bet he probably doesn't care for these illiterate knuckleheads, thousands of them. And those 10's of thousands of vulgar, irredeemably deplorable peasants as well.

cbtengr 10-10-2020 06:06

6293 health scientists signed it, the left says we need to listen to the science. I try to live my life in as normal a fashion as I possibly can. I have since this began taken two trips to TN, driving and flying and spent some time in WI. My wife and I dine out frequently and not once have I ever felt threatened by this virus. We need as a whole to get back to living. Individuals should have the right to decide what personally makes them feel safe.

Badger52 10-11-2020 05:00

CDC as of 5 October
 
Just for the record, a link to the CDC guidance currently. This became an issue in a local article based on renewed emphasis of particles hanging in the air longer and at a distance > 6 feet. As an aside, it's not a long read and they seem to be doing better eat making such papers peasant-friendly.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ars-cov-2.html

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The principal mode by which people are infected with SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) is through exposure to respiratory droplets carrying infectious virus.

Respiratory droplets are produced during exhalation (e.g., breathing, speaking, singing, coughing, sneezing) and span a wide spectrum of sizes that may be divided into two basic categories based on how long they can remain suspended in the air:

Larger droplets some of which are visible and that fall out of the air rapidly within seconds to minutes while close to the source.
Smaller droplets and particles (formed when small droplets dry very quickly in the airstream) that can remain suspended for many minutes to hours and travel far from the source on air currents.

Once respiratory droplets are exhaled and as they move outward from the source, their concentration decreases through fallout from the air (largest droplets first, smaller later) combined with dilution of the remaining smaller droplets and particles into the growing volume of air they encounter.

Old Dog New Trick 10-11-2020 08:49

Thanks for posting that. It’s amazingly simple to explain this. This is a known concept for epidemiology and virology. The hard part is knowing just how contagious it might be, but we should be way beyond that by now.

I’ll tell you what we don’t know - we don’t actually know how many people are infected with influenza each year. We can test for it but only if you get sick enough to seek medical attention. Hundreds of millions more are hosts who go about their infectious spreading period with mild symptoms giving it away free to everyone behind them. Yes it kills between 250k-650k annually and we don’t close societies and school because of it. And we’ve had a vaccine that works fairly well and would work better if more people got it each year.

Coronaviruses have been around for as long as we can remember. Some more harmful than others. Your cat has coronavirus should it wear a mask?

Badger52 10-11-2020 10:08

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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick (Post 663028)
Hundreds of millions more are hosts who go about their infectious spreading period with mild symptoms giving it away free to everyone behind them.

The Petri dish of the public school system perhaps as an example? (with the benefits given to grandma & grandpa when everyone comes to visit.)

Penn 10-11-2020 21:28

Experience 1st hand
 
There is a lot of info on the web about the experience of the virus/covid-19. There is little, to no reports of actual impact on to your physiology.
With that in mind, this post is one person’s experience over nine days. There are several online sources that outline symptoms that are patterned and documented, but do not offer an experience ground truth of impact or a method of nonpharmacy counterattack against this ass ripping intestinal assault. This post seeks to inform a nonmedical/scientific and psychological approach to the devastation that a minor symptom encounter with The Virus Covid-19 may present, should you be exposed.
John Hopkins site offers a concise info. But does not offer the experience of living through it.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...what-to-expect
With that in mind, and to prepare your head, this experience is one person’s perspective and should be viewed accordingly.
Chills that hit and missed over a 5-day period, lasting no more than a few minutes, but being aware they were not ignored. The thought was local, the environment, time of day, my head was fighting the actuality of being infected, I’m GTG.
Around Day 5/6 the hammer came down.
Unable to walk across the living room without grabbing on to a supporting object, a chest, a chair, collapsing on the couch.
The exhausting effort to position yourself is futile.
Then the digestive system begins its purge, and it’s relentless.
For this one experience, It’s every twenty (20) minutes for the next 72-96 hours
You must stay hydrated, if not, you die.
Staying Hydrated requires you to consume more than the out flow, you’ll reach a point that you can’t drink any more water, but you must.
Your body is now racked by tremor, dehydration, fatigue, on a level only few have known.
Finding no relief with the approach of consuming more water than the out flow, I switched to fresh squeezed apple juiced from a local farm, within 3 hours, I was functional.
It did not alter the 20minutes or less pit stops, but it did psychologically and physically impact my system in a positive way.
That said, CDC posted effects would /could last be between 2/14 days.
Take away, its a bitch.

Old Dog New Trick 10-11-2020 22:09

Thanks for sharing. Was that you? If so glad you are getting better or fully recovered.

I had something like that last year before COVID. After five days of everything you can drink goes in one hole and out the other you start to get past caring how many times you didn’t make it to the toilet. In my case I was downing pedialyte almost as fast as my wife could bring it home. On the seventh or eighth day I mustered the strength to go to the ER: I was completely wracked! Three liters of IV ringers and D5W later and lots of tests they sent me home. Nothing came back positive for any known bug or virus so I don’t know what nearly left me dead. On the twelfth day I think I returned to work but it took longer to fully recover from the dehydration of the event.

I don’t know what I had, but it came with high over 103* fever on and off for five days, night sweats, hallucinations, diarrhea big time, joint pain, massive headache and malaise. Bed ridden for a whole week. I want to say it was May or June last year but I’d have to look at the hospital bill to see when exactly. I wish now they had taken or kept a sample of something to test against this virus but who knows?

I travel a lot overseas. One thing they didn’t test was my stool. Kinda surprised by that but I was in no shape to challenge them. They did take three or four tubes of blood.

Badger52 10-12-2020 08:55

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Originally Posted by Penn (Post 663056)
Finding no relief with the approach of consuming more water than the out flow, I switched to fresh squeezed apple juiced from a local farm, within 3 hours, I was functional.
It did not alter the 20minutes or less pit stops, but it did psychologically and physically impact my system in a positive way.

Hunh, that's something; thanks for sharing that.

Penn 10-13-2020 15:29

ODNT
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don’t know what I had, but it came with high over 103* fever on and off for five days, night sweats, hallucinations, diarrhea big time, joint pain, massive headache and malaise. Bed ridden for a whole week. I want to say it was May or June last year but I’d have to look at the hospital bill to see when exactly. I wish now they had taken or kept a sample of something to test against this virus but who knows?
Your description mirrors my experience except for the fever, never got pass 101/2*.
Also, I made a misstatement, when I switched from water to apple juice it was 30+/=hours that I was functional, functional in the sense that I was alert and moved out of the bathroom and back to the couch.

Badger52 10-13-2020 18:25

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Originally Posted by Penn (Post 663106)
Also, I made a misstatement, when I switched from water to apple juice it was 30+/=hours that I was functional, functional in the sense that I was alert and moved out of the bathroom and back to the couch.

Oh, snap! Here you almost found "the next big thing."

Q: When you had this was there ever a point at which you were able to take anything by mouth, in the way of food (even if it was destined to leave shortly)?


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