Here is that AP article just so we can look back on it when the time comes to derail the ... (fill in blank with election or recovery)

Posted September 3, 2020 at 15:15:41 CDT

Could the U.S. really see a coronavirus vaccine before Election Day?
A letter from federal health officials instructing states to be ready to begin distributing a vaccine by Nov. 1 — two days before the election — has met, not with exhilaration, but with suspicion among public health experts, who wonder whether the Trump administration is hyping the possibility or intends to rush approval for political gain.
The skepticism comes amid growing questions about the scientific credibility of the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and their vulnerability to political pressure from President Donald Trump.
White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany gave assurances Thursday that Trump “will not in any way sacrifice safety" when it comes to a vaccine.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government's top infectious-disease expert and a member of Trump’s coronavirus task force, said on CNN that it is unlikely but “not impossible” that a vaccine could win approval in October, instead of November or December, as many experts believe.
“And I would assume, and I’m pretty sure, it’s going to be the case that a vaccine would not be approved for the American public unless it was indeed both safe and effective," he said.
Also, executives of five top pharmaceutical companies Thursday pledged that no COVID-19 vaccines or treatments will be approved, even for emergency use, without proof they are safe and effective.
The concerns were set off by a letter dated Aug. 27 in which CDC Director Robert Redfield asked the nation's governors to help government contractor McKesson Corp. set up vaccine distribution facilities so that they are up and running by Nov. 1. Redfield did not say a vaccine would be ready by then.
Still, to some public health experts, the timing smacked of a political stunt by a president facing a tough re-election.
“I think it’s almost a certainty,” said Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health. He said November "feels awfully early.”
Jha noted the FDA’s recent move to approve emergency use of convalescent plasma against COVID-19. Last week, FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn was forced to correct himself after overstating the lifesaving benefits of such treatment. The CDC also came under fire from scientists in recent days for quietly updating its guidelines to suggest fewer Americans need to get tested for the virus.
Jha said the stakes here are much higher.
“You want to have pretty good safety data on vaccines,” he said. “So I am deeply worried that that’s not what is going to happen.”
Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer questioned the Trump administration's motives.
“Too much of the evidence points to the Trump administration pressuring the FDA to approve a vaccine by Election Day to boost the president’s reelection campaign," he said in a statement. “This raises serious safety concerns about politics, not science and public health, driving the decision making process.”
However, some longtime scientific advisers to the FDA said that the government's preparations for the possible early availability of a vaccine do not necessarily mean that an answer will come sooner or that there will be a rush to judgment about whether one works.
“Being prepared for early success ... is actually prudent,” said Dr. Steven Nissen, a Cleveland Clinic cardiologist. If a vaccine is working, “you want to be prepared to act on the information.”
Three COVID-19 vaccines are undergoing final-stage, or Phase 3, clinical trials. The FDA will not be able to even consider a vaccine until several other key steps occur.
First, independent experts on what are known as data safety monitoring boards, or DSMBs, will have to rule that they have collected enough information to draw firm conclusions about a vaccine’s performance. Then the experts will make the data available to the manufacturer, which will decide whether to submit it for FDA approval.
Whether and when to stop a study early is up to a DSMB, whose scientists see a study’s results as they are accumulating. The company does not.
“We will not cut corners,” Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla vowed Thursday in a call with reporters, hosted by a pharmaceutical industry group. Chief executives from Merck, Roche, Eli Lilly and Gilead Sciences agreed, adding extra transparency on testing results and the approval process is needed.
Alex Azar, Trump’s secretary of Health and Human Services, likewise gave assurances that any decision to release a vaccine would be based on the data and the “FDA’s gold standards.”
And he accused those questioning the Nov. 1 date of partisanship.
“I think it’s very irresponsible how people are trying to politicize notions of delivering a vaccine to the American people,” he told CBS. “We already have a significant challenge in this country with vaccine hesitancy. And efforts to undermine confidence in a vaccine ... hurt in terms of people being willing to take a vaccine once it comes through.”
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Johnson reported from Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania; Smith contributed from Providence, Rhode Island. Writers Marilynn Marchione, Zeke Miller, Matthew Perrone and Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar also contributed.

Covid-19 vaccine...because all the previous coronavirus vaccines have been so successfull. :rolleyes:

Year Adjusted Overall VE (%)
2018-19 - 29%
2017-18 - 38%
2016-17 - 40%
2015-16 - 48%
2014-15 - 19%
2013-14 - 52%
2012-13 - 49%
2011-12 - 47%

THE VACCINE:
 

Taking everything into consideration, well almost everything. First, This coronavirus class has been around since SARS 2002 & I think it has been genetically engineered by the Bio-Weapons lab in Wuhan China by Dr.Chen Wi, who is also a Maj.Gen. in the CCP Army. I think the lab was looking into developing a vaccine in conjunction with it's weapons program. Not much information coming out of China on the virus & the effect on the 1.5 billion people living there. What ever happened to The WHO & their reports on the pandemic ? Does anyone else here think that the MSM, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, & Disney's ABC along with the Wash.Post & The NY Times are driving the "virus" narrative. I'm waiting to hear some science from Joe Biden & his plan to fix the problem....Still Waiting.....

I wonder if the CCP could've also factored in organic stupidity on the part of the target; that's like bonus points.

EXSUM:
Son receives letter from county health dep't. advising that (deceased) mother has tested positive for the virus. Son has the temerity to ask:

1. How did she take a test in June when she's been dead since February?
2. If her ghost took the test in June, why did it take over 2 months to get notified about needing to quarantine for 2 weeks?

:munchin

This might be a game-changer.
Maybe keeping people locked up inside and out of the sun wasn't such a good idea.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7456194/

There are many “game changers” going on out there -

https://apple.news/AchTG8LRiTFmJ0g6ta5q6Qg

Wonder when human trials begin?

Interesting if true.

https://
youtu.be/qFlqXPl_hZQ

Been hearing exactly this story from conspiracy theorists since late February.
Particularly, the chimeric nature.

Wonder how this will be spun by the chicomms and the lame stream media.

Growing research indicates many COVID-19 cases might not be infectious at all
 

Growing research indicates many COVID-19 cases might not be infectious at all

https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...ign=newsletter

" A growing body of research suggests that a significant number of confirmed COVID-19 infections in the U.S. — perhaps as many as 9 out of every 10 — may not be infectious at all, with much of the country's testing equipment possibly picking up mere fragments of the disease rather than full-blown infections.

Confirmed cases of the disease have been the focal point of public health authorities and governments worldwide for many months, with countries across the globe working frantically to shore up their testing infrastructure and ensure that most citizens who want a COVID-19 test can obtain one with relative ease......"

An interesting piece that touches on a couple of issues that swirl around each other. Basically why we have such high case numbers - but the virus is not spreading like wild fire.

That was an interesting article, thanks. I wonder if it's possible for someone to inquire, either through their county PH mechanism or directly to the lab, for information related to the threshold cycle of their test.

I bet the bar/restaurant owners & employees in Nashville and other places that still lock down that industry would find that data interesting...

Interestingly enough, I recently went in for my yearly physical and 6 month labs. To my surprise I found I was tested for 25-OH Vitamin D (D2+D3). Maybe it was done because of my age, but it also crossed my mind it may have something to do with WuHan Flu. They also did a HIV screening.

I had never been tested for either in the past.

Generalized question posted here. (I know we have had our own ‘family’ members get sick and recover and certainly some here have seen death from this disease.)

How many people do you personally know that:

1) Got sick and required hospitalization?
2) Tested positive without any real signs of sickness?
3) Died of COVID-19 disease without significant underlying conditions?

My own answers -

1 - 1 a friend in Amsterdam suffered hypoxia three times and was hospitalized three times before eventually going home and recovering. (Tx O2 therapy and anticoagulant/blood thinners I believe was all they did for him - it’s Europe and free)
2 - 10 coworkers have tested positive. Quarantined at home and returned to work after 14-days. No side effects have been reported one person retested positive but again fully recovered and continue to work.
3 - None


(My sincere apologies for anyone who has lost a loved one or suffered great pain. I do not deny that this virus isn’t deadly. Just that it’s being used as a political tool.)

No one in my family has tested positive for WuHan Flu. We know of one girl in her early 20's who had it around February and there is a couple in their 30's that contracted WuHan after a Florida vacation. All were fully recovered within a matter days, no one was hospitalized, and no fatalities.

2) Tested positive without any real signs of sickness?

1 person. Grossly obese. Gets winded merely from sitting down. Needs 2 seats to fly on a plane. He didn't miss a day of work. Has mentioned that it has taken him a while (few weeks) to get his energy levels back to where they were. That is all.

My brother was very sick for about 10-14 days without being hospitalized (48 y/o). He was never tested but symptoms were persistent fever, weakness, body aches, and severe headaches. I'd say the latter was probably due to general dehydration. My nieces, aged 8 & 11 and his wife each got sick prior to that for only a few days w/ GI type symptoms w/ no fever.

Other than that I don't personally know of anyone else who has been sick w/ CV19.