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rdret1 08-17-2010 07:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by WholeManin2010 (Post 343873)

Interesting article. It seemed to insinuate that in Nevada, you needed a permit for each weapon you may carry. In NC, if you have a CCW, it covers you for each weapon. You only have to demonstrate proficiency with a handgun, not with each one, say a Glock 19, then a Ruger LCP, then some snub nose revolver. Can anyone from Nevada clarify that?

Detonics 08-17-2010 13:08

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Originally Posted by rdret1 (Post 343998)
Interesting article. It seemed to insinuate that in Nevada, you needed a permit for each weapon you may carry. In NC, if you have a CCW, it covers you for each weapon. You only have to demonstrate proficiency with a handgun, not with each one, say a Glock 19, then a Ruger LCP, then some snub nose revolver. Can anyone from Nevada clarify that?

As of 4 month's ago this was correct: a CCW permittee can qualify with a revolver and thereafter carry ANY revolver (or derringer) - the permit will simply state "Revolvers Authorized"; however, one must continue to qualify with each make/model/caliber of semi auto pistols.

At that time you could have up to a dozen weapons authorized on your ccw. The state maintains a database of authorized weapons on each permit and the LVMPD also has the status of a persons permit i.e. applicant, permit authorized or permit revoked / suspended for applicants or permit holders in Clark County in an antique database they administer.

Detonics 09-09-2010 11:12

Appears the Coroner's inquest will be televised on the Clark County Government channel on Sept. 22 possibly through the 24th.

You can see the video streamed here: Here

BigJimCalhoun 09-24-2010 20:56

Late Breaking details......


http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010...st-erik-scott/


http://www.8newsnow.com/story/131138...edirected=true

dr. mabuse 09-24-2010 21:06

I get "page not found" or "bad request" on those links.

PSM 09-24-2010 21:07

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Originally Posted by BigJimCalhoun (Post 349872)

No joy on links.

Pat

wet dog 09-24-2010 21:10

I'm becoming more convinced that the only way to properly carry a weapon is the school methodology of Poncho Villa, as sung by Merl Haggard, "on the outside of his coat for the whole world to see."

plato 09-24-2010 21:22

Here's a text report. No video
 
The weapon that was being carried was in it's holster when the first LEO fired. Victim had removed holster from his waistband.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010...ted-gun-didnt/

The Reaper 09-25-2010 08:12

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Originally Posted by plato (Post 349879)
The weapon that was being carried was in it's holster when the first LEO fired. Victim had removed holster from his waistband.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010...ted-gun-didnt/

How do you drop a holstered gun without touching it?

TR

dfirsty 09-25-2010 08:57

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 349908)
How do you drop a holstered gun without touching it?

TR

The other half of that question is; Why was the gun, holstered or not, out of his waistband?

It seems like this was a bad situation all around.

Derek

Team Sergeant 09-25-2010 09:35

All this has taught me that if confronted by the police is to interlock/interlace fingers on top of head, drop to knees, and tell the "officers" to get my gun, cause I ain't going to touch it.

This incident has woke me up to the point if I were in a mall packed with people, armed and some crazed individual started shooting, I may not draw my weapon, but instead just walk out.

You don't shoot people just because they are holding a weapon, period.

It takes "well trained" individual well over a second and a half to bring a holstered a weapon to bear, acquire a target, and fire. This is from a open carry holster, speed holster if you like. (A CCW holster, depending on the type could take extra seconds.)

It takes most others three tenths of a second to "react" to anyones "action".

My point is, if I (or most anyone else) had a gun "drawn" on you, giving you commands, there isn't an individual in the world that could unholster, bring a weapon to bear and shoot me before I sent him to his maker.

You do the math.

"He was going for his gun", is pure hollywood.

Seems to me this was a very, very bad shoot.

Edit to add: I don't blame the officers, I blame their training. This is the same "well trained" police department that, just four years ago fired over 600 rounds, at one guy, and not achieve the desired effect, not until a former army veteran ended the five hour gunfight. Their training officers need to be re-evaluated.

Team Sergeant



May 12, 2006
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

Sniper tells of fatal shots

After 15 minutes, jury rules police shooting in standoff justified

By FRANCIS McCABE
Charles Collingwood nestled the butt of his .308-caliber Accuracy International sniper rifle against his shoulder and peered through the scope.

He had a "crystal clear" view of unit 265 of the Woodridge Villas apartment complex, from which Christopher Scott Hawkins had engaged police in a standoff for nearly five hours on Feb. 9.

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Collingwood, a 13-year Metropolitan Police Department veteran, lay on the roof of a house on Arthur Avenue, more than 100 yards from Hawkins' apartment in the complex near Eastern and Owens avenues.

After 10 canisters of tear gas were lobbed into his apartment, Hawkins fired a flurry of shots from a .40-caliber Glock semiautomatic handgun. One round buzzed over Collingwood's head.

"I needed to stop the threat," Collingwood told jurors Thursday during the Clark County coroner's inquest into the fatal shooting of Hawkins by police.

The SWAT sniper said he adjusted his scope, put the cross hairs on the bridge of Hawkins' nose and squeezed the trigger.

All told, 44 law enforcement officers fired their guns that day. Hawkins used more than 50 rounds of ammunition. Police countered with more than 600 rounds.
No one knows for sure who fired the fatal bullet, said Sgt. Russell Shoemaker, who investigated the case.

After the jury found the actions of police justified, officer Robert Schmidt, who was the first officer to arrive in response to the marijuana complaint, was asked whether he was happy.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho...s/7365518.html

Pete 09-25-2010 12:49

So cop shoots dog
 
So cop shoots dog that jumps at his dog - and it's a good shoot.

So dog bites citizen and citizen threatens to shoot dog and he's made out to be a nut case.

What sane person would shoot a dog just because it bit you?

echoes 09-25-2010 14:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 349920)
All this has taught me that if confronted by the police is to interlock/interlace fingers on top of head, drop to knees, and tell the "officers" to get my gun, cause I ain't going to touch it.

This incident has woke me up to the point if I were in a mall packed with people, armed and some crazed individual started shooting, I may not draw my weapon, but instead just walk out.

You don't shoot people just because they are holding a weapon, period.

It takes "well trained" individual well over a second and a half to bring a holstered a weapon to bear, acquire a target, and fire. This is from a open carry holster, speed holster if you like. (A CCW holster, depending on the type could take extra seconds.)

It takes most others three tenths of a second to "react" to anyones "action".

My point is, if I (or most anyone else) had a gun "drawn" on you, giving you commands, there isn't an individual in the world that could unholster, bring a weapon to bear and shoot me before I sent him to his maker.

You do the math.

"He was going for his gun", is pure hollywood.

Seems to me this was a very, very bad shoot.

Edit to add: I don't blame the officers, I blame their training. This is the same "well trained" police department that, just four years ago fired over 600 rounds, at one guy, and not achieve the desired effect, not until a former army veteran ended the five hour gunfight. Their training officers need to be re-evaluated.

Team Sergeant



May 12, 2006
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

Sniper tells of fatal shots

After 15 minutes, jury rules police shooting in standoff justified

By FRANCIS McCABE
Charles Collingwood nestled the butt of his .308-caliber Accuracy International sniper rifle against his shoulder and peered through the scope.

He had a "crystal clear" view of unit 265 of the Woodridge Villas apartment complex, from which Christopher Scott Hawkins had engaged police in a standoff for nearly five hours on Feb. 9.

Advertisement

Collingwood, a 13-year Metropolitan Police Department veteran, lay on the roof of a house on Arthur Avenue, more than 100 yards from Hawkins' apartment in the complex near Eastern and Owens avenues.

After 10 canisters of tear gas were lobbed into his apartment, Hawkins fired a flurry of shots from a .40-caliber Glock semiautomatic handgun. One round buzzed over Collingwood's head.

"I needed to stop the threat," Collingwood told jurors Thursday during the Clark County coroner's inquest into the fatal shooting of Hawkins by police.

The SWAT sniper said he adjusted his scope, put the cross hairs on the bridge of Hawkins' nose and squeezed the trigger.

All told, 44 law enforcement officers fired their guns that day. Hawkins used more than 50 rounds of ammunition. Police countered with more than 600 rounds.
No one knows for sure who fired the fatal bullet, said Sgt. Russell Shoemaker, who investigated the case.

After the jury found the actions of police justified, officer Robert Schmidt, who was the first officer to arrive in response to the marijuana complaint, was asked whether he was happy.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho...s/7365518.html

NO video cameras working, OR not the right angle of video cameras working....smells like rotten vegetables to me...

At least there is the 911 tape....but still, am confused!!! :rolleyes:

Am going to call a spade a spade here, and just say that after reading all of the testimony, the cops were high on adreniline, got pumped up to get a potential "bad guy," and shot!! :mad:

Not saying that is what happened in this case, but....Not ALL Cops are created equal.....'cause I luv Police Officers in general!!!:(

Again, JMHO.

Holly

The Reaper 09-25-2010 14:50

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Originally Posted by dfirsty (Post 349914)
The other half of that question is; Why was the gun, holstered or not, out of his waistband?

It seems like this was a bad situation all around.

Derek

Derek, are you confused about what was said?

You have a weapon on your belt, holstered.

Three cops have the drop on you and are yelling commands.

One of them tells you to "drop the gun".

You have to touch it to do so, but you remove it holstered to prevent any lethal misunderstanding.

The cops light you up anyway for having a gun in your hand.

That seems to me, based on the reports, to be what actually happened. The manager's story about what happened inside the store seems a bit strange to me.

I am with the TS on this one. If a cop wants me to remove my weapon, he can do that for me while I am on my face with hands outstretched or on my head. I am not touching the weapon. I will comply with all other instructions.

TR

6.8SPC_DUMP 09-25-2010 15:35

This article gives one angle on the reaction of Erik Scott's girlfriend and she witnessed the shooting first hand. Link

In general it makes sense that an insolvent city would have motivation to limit wrongful death lawsuits.


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