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Originally Posted by rsdengler (Post 660475)

Politicians are that speck of ground dirt you just cannot get out of your carpet...

Just my two cents - but "we the people" can absitivley posolutely get the dirt out of the carpet - "we the people" are all just too damn lazy to get the vacuum cleaner out of the closet.

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Originally Posted by Box (Post 660465)

I hated Business statistics. It made me sick to my stomach. The only subject that gave me worse nightmares was when physics would sneak its way into my astronomy class. Statistics are the science of the devil. Statistics don’t lie – but if I manipulate my data sample, I can HONESTLY make hair loss and premature ejaculation look like the harbingers of biblical Armageddon.
These insidious COVID-19 panic-porn cock suckers have successfully conflated their infected sample size with the overarching global demographic and are using it told the entire human race hostage.
IT.JUST.ISNT.TURE

So, without further adieu, I offer my opinion...
…and we all know the true value of my opinion. Just this weekend I attempted to purchase a small bag of Black Rifle Coffee from a local vendor using my opinion and good looks – I successfully brewed my next cup of Joe using a K-Cup of Victor Allens French Roast that I purchased in bulk after my opinion and good looks failed to score so much as a wiff of the BRC blend.

The amount of data collection needed to be statistically significant always depends on the desired end state. In other words what is the goal of compiling and analyzing these statistics? Ideally the larger the sample and the fewer the variables, the more accurate your results will be. Right now we are being forced to draw broad conclusions from a very ill defined data set. I think we already have significant statistical data to show that COVID-19 "statistically" concentrates itself in the demographic known as "sick old people"
Everything else is little more than a Semi-scientific Wild-Assed Guess.

…given that the testing currently being done is generally not random, is this useless for drawing reliable conclusions?
Not only is the current data collection pretty much the OPPOSITE of random, the folks collecting the data are in a constant state of moving the goal posts. This type of data collection as part of an epidemiologic study is about as “effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble gum.” If I have a set of dice, I can roll them and expect a generally random outcome based on each die having six sides with unique numbers. I can draw reliable conclusions by repeating the experiment a set number of times and recording the results. If one of these dice is “loaded” my testing is no longer random and my conclusions are not reliable.

Coronavirus testing is being done with loaded dice. There is no random testing. People that are not sick, have no symptoms, and have no direct exposure to a known COVID-19 patient have no reason to be tested. Conflating any results with the broader cross section of society is wildly inaccurate. Those who would present those results as factual are not only being intellectually dishonest, the fact that they are presenting their findings in an environment that directly impacts the very fabric of our society represents some of the most unethical professional conduct that I can imagine.
You might as well let Bernie Madoff explain the statistical analysis before Reverend Fauci preaches about it on CNN.

Just my two cents for now...............

Finest Kind once again! Excellent treatise and explains why I HATE the politicization of Science or anything else that dribbles out of he mouths of the 2 Bills for that matter(Gates and Nye). :D

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Originally Posted by Box (Post 660476)

Just my two cents - but "we the people" can absitivley posolutely get the dirt out of the carpet - "we the people" are all just too damn lazy to get the vacuum cleaner out of the closet.

I wish more of us would use that vacuum cleaner once in awhile. They are truly despicable people we have in office. And "we the people" need to get off our damn asses and burnout our vacuums...

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Originally Posted by rsdengler (Post 660478)

I wish more of us would use that vacuum cleaner once in awhile. They are truly despicable people we have in office. And "we the people" need to get off our damn asses and burnout our vacuums...

I suspect most people do not track even what their locals have done between election cycles and don't get spun up until within 6 months of a general election. How many folks, out of whatever sample size you like, attend local councils or review minutes from them to determine what those critters have been up to? And then when the tick goes door to door to ask for another vote, confront them about what they've done (or haven't done) for the last 23 months or whatever?

Local accountability; it's what's for dinner.
:munchin

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Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 660479)

Exactly, people tend to vote the same incompetent idiots into office all the time. Reap what you sow....Plus, they never look at their voting records and we all know Politicians lie to get into that cushy spot. Promise everything, but later they sit in their own shit heap and rub their chubby little hands together in glee. Meanwhile this Country is going to hell with The Masters Of Mayhem at the helm. The Bahamas look better every damn day....F'It....

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Originally Posted by rsdengler (Post 660480)

The Bahamas look better every damn day....F'It....

Your timing cracks me up. I was just wonderin' if the Conch Republic has declared war again yet.

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Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 660486)

Your timing cracks me up. I was just wonderin' if the Conch Republic has declared war again yet.

Hahahaha....with all this crazy shit going on, you never know when "The Conch Republic" will rise up and give the one finger salute to everyone....:D

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Originally Posted by rsdengler (Post 660478)

I wish more of us would use that vacuum cleaner once in awhile. They are truly despicable people we have in office. And "we the people" need to get off our damn asses and burnout our vacuums...

Rita, it is far too late to look at the vacuum cleaner as a single use item. Just getting the dirt off the welcome-mat does nothing to remove the bum that has camped out next to it.
You've got to unplug the vacuum cleaner and use the cord to put whelps on his back until he learns to stop sleeping on your porch.

A little dirt is easy to handle - it's the dirty smelly bum that has made a habit of blocking your front door that needs to be dealt with.

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Originally Posted by Box (Post 660499)

Lol...You're making it way too hard for me to clean up the "really dingy grime". A "dirty smelly putrid bum" well that'll take a little more effort.....just give me a big shovel.....

The CHINESE WUHAN VIRUS:

has anyone thought about "Chinese" collusion with the deep state actors like DNC, The Perkins Coie Law Firm , MSM, The Communist Party of America. The situation in the USA is more than critical. The DNC has brain dead Joe as their "presumptive" candidate for POTUS, Look into his eyes, listen to him talk, He is DOA & everybody knows it including the MSM that is pretending that all is OK. He can't tie his shoes let alone make basic decisions. I don't think he will choose a VP running mate, that decision is being made by the power brokers in the DNC & Wash. DC beltway.

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Originally Posted by tom kelly (Post 660502)

has anyone thought about "Chinese" collusion with the deep state actors like DNC

I have never NOT thought about that.
I went down the conspiratorial path of communist party collusion with elected US democrats waay back in the 90's when the clinT0n synDicaTe first took power......

It wont be long before we have reached the undeniable "I told you so" moment.
I mean, it will be way too late by then, and anyone who actually SAYS the words, "I told you so" will be cast into the lake of fire by the democrats running the politburo - but just knowing you were right isn't going to be enough to keep you warm at night.

I told you so.

I’ve been telling people since 1993 that the government is selling our institutional knowledge, technology and security to the Chinese and some European and Soviet nations for power and profits.

Where I went wrong was it started in 1989 (or as early as 1963) and kept going straight through until 2017, and the Democratic Party and globalist RINOs (Bush family) would like to see it return to the status quo.

I hope history is corrected some day to show how globalist ambition and false claims of climate and social changes destroyed the population long before the world was actually stressed from environmental reasons or social constructs.

COVID-19 is only a symptom of globalization without the safety net of country specific sovereignty and physical barriers to protect its citizens.

Note: I’m not anti globalization for economic co-benefit, security and immigration. I am against selling our national identity and security for profit or control of one party over another or where harm to intellectual rights and property are suspended for greed and power.

So, on the advice of a friend who has had Covid-19 and survived after three different hospitalizations over a few weeks period. He recommended I buy a Pulse Oximeter to monitor my O2 saturation levels as they are a first indicator of failing respiratory function.

Today one of two popular leading brands on Amazon showed up. I bought two because I wanted to: a) compare them. b) have one for the road and one at home for the wife to share.

Pretty basic, battery operated, one cost $29 before tax the other $35. (The cheaper one showed up today)

On start up my SpO2 was 98% falling to 96% over a minute of regular breathing and pulse around 67bpm. Tried to increase volume but watched my saturation level go down to 95% and my PR raise to 74 so I stopped and went back to chores I was working on. Second test came it at 98% and stayed there with a PR of 74bpm.

My greatest concern is what’s happening to me at work where I have to wear a mask the whole time and function in an environment with already decreased O2. I get tired and sleepy more often now and think it’s rebreathing CO2 trapped in the mask. Now I will be able to monitor my O2 levels and also develop norms over time and activity so that if there is a decreasing level before other symptoms may occur I’ll be able to have a better idea what’s going on.

My friend (who is Dutch) is about my age and fairly healthy practicing Martial arts and other fitness routines but was left feeling pretty hopeless and disoriented during his recurring episodes of hypoxia. The Dutch (Amsterdam) hospital treated him with O2 and supportive therapy but no ventilation or anti-viral drugs that I’m aware of. He does mention being given an expectorant to break up the mucus in his lungs. It would seem that in Europe you either survive on your own or die. The medical system will send you home with O2 bottles and masks but not give you instructions if the regulator fails to connect to the new bottle when changing.

Anyway, I will give a brief comparison when I get the second unit and also see if they give different reading at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick (Post 660507)

He recommended I buy a Pulse Oximeter to monitor my O2 saturation levels

Pretty basic, battery operated, one cost $29

I may have the same one ( zacurate). Will be interested in whether you think the more expensive model performs better.

LHC

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Originally Posted by Last hard class (Post 660508)

I may have the same one ( zacurate). Will be interested in whether you think the more expensive model performs better.

LHC

Pro500 yep that’s the one. Amazon Pick. Will let you know if any differences are noted.

ETA: stick this in here too for others contemplating using a Pulse/Ox meter.

https://www.health.state.mn.us/disea...seoximetry.pdf