Total US Firearms: Not 300 Million, but 412-660 Million?
 

Is the number really 300 million guns? Or much much more?

http://weaponsman.com/?p=33875

Kevin (RIP) gave an admirable crack at it; one of his commenters also provided an additional link on the topic. FL has resurrected their own version of the AWB in the wake of Parkland, and the functional head of ATF is still in the Swamp; the same guy who was head of the Phoenix Field Division (remember them?) & picked to be Deputy Director & was advocating a national gun registry to Candidate Clinton last election. When it comes down to it, does the exact number really matter?
:munchin

No it doesn't matter. I just thought it was interesting that you hear the 300 million number thrown around by both sides, and it most likely isn't even close to the actual number of firearms in the hands of American citizens.

Roger that. Whenever some hand-wringer throws that number just mention "and that's just the ones you know about."

The progressive socialists and the RINO buddies say it's impossible to round up and deport all the criminally present citizens of other countries, while advocating that rounding up all of the guns in American citizens hands is doable.

Lol.

Simply stated - and as you know - they lie about both issues.

while advocating that rounding up all of the LEGALLY OWNED guns is doable



there is a disoriented cross section of America's elected representatives (those in the governing class) that should be politely invited to defecate in their hats, pull their hats tightly down around their ears, and then respectfully - go fuck themselves

Good read for all but especially the uninformed.

“For decades researchers have found that many Americans do not understand how strict gun control laws already are. Some elected officials and journalists are similarly misinformed. Widespread ignorance about existing law makes things easier for anti-gun lobbyists who always insist that every notorious crime proves that we need more gun control laws.”

What if there were serious gun controls?
The Hill
BY DAVID KOPEL AND JOSEPH GREENLEE, OPINION CONTRIBUTORS — 11/08/17

After the Las Vegas murders, Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) urged Congress to “take a stand against gun violence by passing common-sense gun safety laws.” On Monday, after the mass murder in Texas, he wrote, “A simple idea: Anyone convicted of domestic abuse should see their rights under the 2nd Amendment severely curtailed.” On Tuesday, Sen. Jeff Flake(R-Ariz.) announced that he and Sen. Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.) are writing a bill “to prevent anyone convicted of domestic violence — be it in criminal or military court — from buying a gun.

In the spirit of these proposals, here are some ideas for tough federal gun laws — most of which should have been enacted years ago.

For people convicted of domestic violence, even a misdemeanor, how about a lifetime prohibition on firearms possession?

Further, a government license should be required for anyone who wants to manufacture, import, or sell firearms. The license should be mandatory not only for formal businesses, but also for individuals who make repetitive transactions for the purpose of profit. This would cover people at gun shows who put up signs declaring themselves to be “unlicensed dealers.” Anyone who engages in the firearms business without a federal license should be punished by up to five years imprisonment and a $250,000 fine.

Manufacturers, importers, and dealers who are granted a federal license should have to keep meticulous records of every transaction. Their records and inventory should be subject to warrantless, random inspections by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). If a license-holder goes out of business, all the records of past sales should be delivered to the ATF.

Before a gun store can sell a firearm to an ordinary citizen, the citizen should have to get government approval. This should apply not only to storefront sales, but also if the retailer rents a table at a gun show. As for the Internet, retailers can be allowed to advertise there, but the actual transfer of a firearm should only be allowed at the retailer’s place of business.

The purchaser should be required to answer dozens of questions certifying her background information. It is important that the government know the purchaser’s race, and whether or not she is Hispanic. Before the sale is consummated, the Federal Bureau of Investigation or a state counterpart ought to be contacted for a background check on the purchaser.

Any customer who purchases two or more handguns in a week should be automatically flagged and reported to the federal government and to local law enforcement.

Every handgun manufacturer should require handgun buyers to purchase a safe storage device for every handgun. Even if the buyer owns a gun safe, the buyer should always be forced to buy a separate locking device.

Of course, licensed manufacturers should have to put a serial number on every firearm. If someone alters or obliterates a serial number, the person should face five years imprisonment.

Felons should be forever prohibited from owning guns. They should never be allowed to hold a gun in their hands for even a few seconds. The lifetime prohibition should include non-violent felons who have been law-abiding for decades; anyone who was convicted of marijuana possession in 1971 should be presumed to be a continuing menace to society.

A lifetime prohibition should also apply to anyone who has ever been committed to a mental institution. Mental illness is not necessarily permanent, but the ban should be.

Patients prescribed medical marijuana should be banned, even in states where such use is legal. In fact, all medical marijuana cardholders should be automatically banned, regardless of whether they are current users.

Current federal gun laws provide a statutory procedure for prohibited persons to petition the ATF for a restoration of rights. For example, ATF would have discretion to restore the Second Amendment rights of a non-violent felon who has been law-abiding for many years. Congress should enact appropriations riders to prevent ATF from considering such petitions.

Only persons over 21 should be able to purchase a handgun at a gun store. That 18-to-20-year-olds defend our country with automatic weapons overseas does not mean that they can be trusted with handguns within our country. A similar law should bar rifle or shotgun purchases by persons who are under 18.

Assault rifles must be virtually banned. These, according to the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency, are “short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power.” For example, the Russian AK-47 or the American M-16 rifles. No civilian should be able to transfer or possess any assault rifle that was not already in circulation by 1986.

Any of the older assault rifles in citizen hands should be registered with the government. If someone wants to acquire one, both the buyer and seller should have to file an application with the ATF. The tax for a transfer should be $200, to discourage ownership. In the application, the ATF should require fingerprints and two recent photographs. Local law enforcement should be notified. The FBI should conduct a background investigation, and the registration process should take months.

If the purchaser is permitted to acquire the assault rifle, she should be required to maintain records proving that the rifle is registered, and notify the government of any change in address. To take the assault rifle out of state, the owner should need written permission from ATF in advance.

Assault rifles are one type of automatic firearm, but there are many other types of automatics. All of them should be controlled just as strictly as assault rifles. A violation of the stringent laws on these guns should be a felony with up to 10 years imprisonment—and much longer in cases of multiple violations.

The above is just the minimum baseline for federal laws. States should be allowed to enact must more restrictive additional laws.

If you think that this legal system would make firearms the most-regulated common consumer product in the United States, you would be correct. Every one of the above restrictions is already federal law, and has been for decades. A few of these date back to the 1980s or 1990s. Most of them are from the Gun Control Act of 1968. The tax and registration laws on automatics are from the National Firearms Act of 1934.

For decades researchers have found that many Americans do not understand how strict gun control laws already are. Some elected officials and journalists are similarly misinformed. Widespread ignorance about existing law makes things easier for anti-gun lobbyists who always insist that every notorious crime proves that we need more gun control laws.

http://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-...un-controls%3F

In 1964 Francisco Paula Gonzales was able to kill all 44 passengers on board Pacific Air 773 using nothing more than a .357 revolver. He forced his way into the cockpit and shot the pilots - then let the aircraft crash into the ground
...44 dead

In 1986, in Columbia, Campo Delgado went on a shooting rampage with a revolver and a knife - 29 people were killed.
Not in the US (since liberals like to say that these things only happen in the USA)
...and he was armed with a revolver.

In 1927, Andrew Kehoe killed 44 people in Michigan without the aid of a black rifle - he used dynamite. This was the worst mass murder in a school in US history - it also killed two horses.

The narrative never really fits - mass murders only happen in the USA and it is only done with semi-automatic assault weapons.
...except for when it isnt

Thomas Hamilton killed 17 in the UK in 1996 - a place that dont allow the peasants to own guns
16 in Germany in 2002 - 15 more in Germany in 2009
Mass shootings in India, Brazil, Azerbaijan, Finland, China... all since 2000.
But the narrative likes to sell that mass shooting only happen in the USA because we have guns

But that isn't the truth that Americas governing class and mobster media elites want you to know
...places that are supposed to be liberal examples of what the USA should be like
...places that aren't all that interested in the liberties of their people


It isnt poor reporting, or politicians and activists mis-speaking - it is people simply telling lies about the truth to avoid the root problem and pursue an agenda.

France, Norway, Turkey, Tunisia, Mali - five episodes, all within the last five or six years accounting for well over two hundred dead
...in countries with far stricter civil liberties than we have here in the USA

It isnt part of the narrative - it is only in the USA that this is happening - and only with black rifles
The real truth is - It happens most and worst where people dont give a shit about one another - and it happens in higher numbers in countries with the least amount of civil liberties.

.....but sure, lets disarm America
for the children

FBI statistics?
Seriously?
You're quoting FBI statistics?

Why don't we just start citing Facebook, The Enquirer, and The Globe as resource material now?

If you dont straighten up and fly right, President Biden and Co-President Winfrey are going to have you tossed into a re-edjukashun center.

So do you have any decent evidence that the FBI statistics are incorrect, or are you just enjoying piling on the politically-motivated criticism of the agency?

Do you know what a straw man argument is? While I'm sure there are many liberals out there saying stupid things, most of the criticism I hear in the news is that the US is the only place where mass shootings happen regularly.

No one (making an allowance for the truly stupid) is saying that they never happen in other countries.

Wrong. The UK's stringent laws on pistol ownership (de facto ban) did not take effect until 1997

Which is why I am pointing out these gross errors to you.

For the record...

Everything I post is firmly rooted in the questionable value of straw man arguments.
I buy my bandwagon tickets in bulk.
My criticism of FLEA's has no loyal partisan motivation - I follow the left for my cues on distrust of "the man"
I dont deal in decent evidence - I prefer indecent evidence since it is more fun and gets better ratings.
I place the same value on statistical validity as my left-leaning counterparts of equal or lesser value.
Making any allowance for the truly stupid is EXACTLY the same as saying "never"
The UK doesn't allow civilians free ownership of guns - and they celebrate their royalty - anyone that disagrees with that is a denier
...plus, they had a cab driver kill 12 people armed with a shotgun and a .22 rifle in 2010
I dont pay attention to gross errors nor do I keep track of net errors.
I never, EVER resort to hyperbole when making a point.



Semantics and facts are negotiable when discussing socially sensitive topics across the internet...

Lighten up Francis. If you have been on this board long enough you should know that Box speaks tongue in cheek.;)