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Why are liberal/socialist/communists so afraid of citizens bearing arms?

Why are liberal/socialist/communists so afraid of citizens bearing arms?

Because they know, that one man, one rifle and three bullets can change the course of history. And until they can confiscate every gun they are not safe.

MOLON LABE

Retired military commanders urge Congress to address 'gun violence crisis'

Retired military commanders urge Congress to address 'gun violence crisis'

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The group is part of the veterans coalition of a gun control group founded by former U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and her husband, Mark Kelly. They laid out their arguments in a letter they plan to send to Congressional leaders.

Traitorous scum.

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Originally Posted by bblhead672 (Post 636218)

Retired military commanders urge Congress to address 'gun violence crisis'

Traitorous scum.

Some familiar names - many Obama or Klinton supporters among them.

Advisory Committee
The Giffords Veterans Coalition is led by an Advisory Committee - Members of the Giffords Veterans Coalition include:

Captain Mark Kelly, USN (Ret.), Co-Founder, Americans for Responsible Solutions
Admiral Thad Allen, USCG (Ret.)
General Peter W. Chiarelli, USA (Ret.)
General Wesley Clark, USA (Ret.)
General Michael V. Hayden, USAF (Ret.)
General James T. Hill, USA (Ret.)
Admiral James M. Loy, USCG (Ret.)
General Stanley A. McChrystal, USA (Ret.)
Admiral Eric T. Olson, USN (Ret.)
General David Petraeus, USA (Ret.)
Lt. General Claudia J. Kennedy, USA (Ret.)
Lt. General Norman R. Seip, USAF (Ret.)
Lt. General William “Kip” E. Ward, USA (Ret.)
Rear Admiral James Arden “Jamie” Barnett Jr., USN (Ret.)
Major General Vance Coleman, USA (Ret.)
Brigadier General Stephen A. Cheney, USMC (Ret.)
Brigadier General Evelyn “Pat” Foote, USA (Ret.)
Captain Gail Kulisch, USCG (Ret.)
Commander Carlos Del Toro, USN (Ret.)
Dave Korus, USAF (Ret.)
Jonathan Sanford, USA (Ret.)
Terron Sims II, USA (Ret.)
Shawn J. VanDiver, USN (Ret.)

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Originally Posted by tonyz (Post 636221)

A list of the left-wing, progressive, socialist idiots........... good to know. (But we already knew.)

If you want your rights taken, vote democrat/socialist.

If you wish to live Free, vote right of center.

A who's who of liberal, sell out GO / FOs

Fix NICs snuck into National Reciprocity.....be aware!

https://m.facebook.com/RepThomasMass...43059172384905

Contact your Reps! This could be VERY bad!

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Originally Posted by 35NCO (Post 636239)

https://m.facebook.com/RepThomasMass...43059172384905

Contact your Reps! This could be VERY bad!

Actually not that bad. Did you read it?

Veterans with mental issues should not have guns.

Seniors that cannot take care of them selves and have been adjuncticated as such, should not have guns.

And expanding the national background check is fine with me as I'm not a criminal.

What I'm not good with is allowing just any agency to add names to a national database or take rights away.

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 636258)

What I'm not good with is allowing just any agency to add names to a national database or take rights away.

Agree... And apparently both after the fact and without disclosure to those impacted.

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 636258)

Yes I read it and researched it. My greatest concern is the lack of due process. Another factor is how it will be determined. Even if specified, I have little trust in enormous bureaucracies getting that right. It has to have even more oversight, notification of pending action, and a reasonable time and way to repeal.

I agree some people shouldent own guns. Setting the precident to remove constitutional rights this way does not help.

Sounds like almost as much fun as the "no fly" list.

TR

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 636258)

What I'm not good with is allowing just any agency to add names to a national database or take rights away.

Due process? Deplorables aren't worthy of due process.

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Originally Posted by Brush Okie (Post 636290)

So what mental issues that veterans have could qualify? Anything? Trooper snuffy goes through a divorce so his CO sends him to counseling to cover his ass and bam on the list. What about PTSD? How severe does he have to have it? Remember they found the Melfiquin caused brain damage to a lot of people and mimics PTSD. What about a trooper that was caught in an IED and his bell was rung so he was a little off for a couple weeks? Where do we draw the line?

Why can a senior that can not take care of themselves have a gun? Granted some should not but what if it is a physical problem not a mental one but a physical one? Where is the line drawn? I believe the law already states anyone mentally defective can not buy a firearm. also do you think anyone that is mentally adjudicated due to dementia would be able to fill out the form to begin with? Have you ever worked with someone like that? They can not fill out the form, kind of a check onto its self.

What would expanding the data base do? It missed the last asshole that should have been on there. Do you think it will stop any crimes at all. Look how making meth and heroin have really stopped the spread of illegal drugs. What puts people on this crime list? A warrant for a speeding ticket they paid but the county screwed it up and did not record it and issued a warrant? (I seen this happen)

Even if they make it reasonable what will the courts do with it in a few years? Remember once the camel has its nose under the tent the next Obama could run with it.

No real bad idea. Adding more laws on top of the ones that already exist will not help anything but only create more bullshit in the long run. The good idea fairy strikes again.

That tinfoil hat make noise while you're sleeping? :munchin

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Originally Posted by Brush Okie (Post 636290)

Below is a much shorter version of an earlier post - calls on bureaucrats to do their jobs and keep criminals and the mentally ill from possessing firearms is a good thing - rather than blanket bans on law abiding folks from possessing firearms.

Watch the video at link.

Some people should not have guns.

NOVEMBER 8, 2017
NSSF ON CNN HEADLINE NEWS: FIXNICS | GUN BACKGROUND CHECKS

Since 2013, NSSF has led the successful nationwide FixNICS initiative effort to improve the reporting of all criminal and adjudicated mental health records by the states to NICS. To date, 16 states have adopted NSSF-led FixNICS changes. Since the campaign was launched through the end of 2016, the number of disqualifying mental health records submitted to NICS increased by 170 percent to nearly 4.5 million, from about 1.7 million in December 2012.

https://www.nssf.org/nssf-cnn-headli...t+Relations%29

I agree with TR's parallel to the no-fly list. HR 4477 actually does nothing except let Congress tell its lessers that they are doing something (cue the hand-wringing crowds). Oh, yeah, it also threatens to dock the bonus pay of politically-appointed agency hacks if they fail to meet the reporting gates. Whoopee.

There is no requirement to put this on all the agencies when the criteria that determine a prohibited person IAW 922 are based on a court decision. Only those entities that can actually render a legal determination (civil courts, military courts-martial) should be on the hook for this, and that's already in the law. And under existing law the AG already has the authority to gather the information from any agency it needs it from.

The danger is erroneous and/or duplicate reporting by agencies that have no business collecting & submitting records in the first place.

It is a badly written law, and is eyewash.