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Mills 03-02-2012 08:11

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004 (Post 437562)
The problem here is that it is not necessarilly the woman's body, as there is another human being inside of it, or at least after a certain point. And if the State sanctions the killing of human life, that can lead to a dangerous slippery-slope. They allow what is essentially infanticide in the Netherlands, albeit under the guise of killing babies deemed to have health issues, and there was recently a journal article talking about how "abortions" of new-born babies should be permitted for any reason (LINK). A baby can be born as early as 24 weeks, although that is asking for trouble. Over 90% of babies born prematurely in the third trimester and up (starting at 28 weeks) survive. Which means that it clearly is a baby a good deal before being born. There are varying views on this issue: some say it's a baby at the moment of conception, but are okay with birth control, some are completely against birth control as well, others are okay with abortions during the first trimester and part of the second trimester, but want them banned during the third trimester except if the woman's life is in danger or the baby has a condition where it won't live more than a few days after being born, and some want no limits whatsoever on abortions during any trimester.

We can see the slippery-slope to eugenics among the far-left mindset. If you can argue for third-trimester abortions with no limits, then you can stretch it to allowing the killing of new-born babies as well for reasons of a health defect (as is permitted in countries like the Netherlands). If you can justify the killing of new-born babies for health defects, then you can stretch it to justify the killin of new-born babies for any reason (as the article claims). If you can justify infanticide, then you can stretch it to justify forced sterilization of people deemed "unfit" to reproduce (this happened during the 20th century in the U.S.). Taken to its extreme, you get what the Nazis did (round people up deemed "unfit" and systematically exterminate them).

How the State views human life is akin to how it views freedom of speech. Is free speech something cherished as sacred to a free society, something that the government can only infringe upon in very limited circumstances? Or is it just a priviledge that can be infringed upon anytime the government wants if you start saying things they don't like (as it is in certain other so-called free countries). In America, it is considered sacred. So how is human life viewed? Is human life viewed as something sacred and cherished, that the State can only end in limited circumstances, or is it something that the State can decide as it pleases?

Im not stating that I feel that third trimester abortions are ok in my book. I think thats a little bit extreme, unless of course there are extenuating circumstances. Which there can always be.

That being said, my point was directed towards the middle ground that we all need to come to in order to suit the best interest of the country.

Compromise will be the only thing that allows this country to survive. People will only tolerate the powers at be telling them that they are right and you are wrong for so long.

craigepo 03-02-2012 10:19

Tuesday I had the opportunity to listen to Santorum's "robo-call" made to Michigan democrats. In that call, he asked democrats to take a republican ballot and vote for him (which is a good idea). The bad part was that his complaint against Romney in the phone call was Romney's disagreements with the auto company bailouts.

Santorum probably lost my vote because of this.

Badger52 03-02-2012 10:50

I'm really just waitin' for the contender to emerge. Last night trying to find WTH the cable company did this week with my weather channel actually stumbled upon O'Reilly putting a very civil but straightforward question to Santorum last night, RE his opinion overall of the current zero in the WH.

He had a golden opportunity and still exhibited the willingness to dance, and the reluctance to engage something head-on that everyone knows, but won't articulate out loud for the record. Even before he spoke one could see the effort to parse his words, as if he was imagining the MSNBC headline the next morning.

I've met Ruffed Grouse with more courage; these guys are beginning to wear thin...

Dusty 03-02-2012 11:33

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Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 437642)
I'm really just waitin' for the contender to emerge. Last night trying to find WTH the cable company did this week with my weather channel actually stumbled upon O'Reilly putting a very civil but straightforward question to Santorum last night, RE his opinion overall of the current zero in the WH.

He had a golden opportunity and still exhibited the willingness to dance, and the reluctance to engage something head-on that everyone knows, but won't articulate out loud for the record. Even before he spoke one could see the effort to parse his words, as if he was imagining the MSNBC headline the next morning.

I've met Ruffed Grouse with more courage; these guys are beginning to wear thin...

I'll take a Ruffed Grouse over the status quo.

Pete 03-11-2012 08:32

Well
 
Well, right now the delegate count is Mitt at 458 - Newt/Rick/Ron at 387

Too bad Newt/Rick/Ron ain't one person.

Sparty On 03-12-2012 13:18

I ended up voting for Ron Paul.

In my mind Mitt Romney keeps channeling John Kerry with his flip-flopping and Santorum's robocall totally turned me off.

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 439338)
Well, right now the delegate count is Mitt at 458 - Newt/Rick/Ron at 387

Too bad Newt/Rick/Ron ain't one person.

Some Paulistas are counting on Ron Paul to court unbound delegates to stay within striking distance of Romney. Say for example, Newt drops out of the race, his delegates become unbound and are now free to cast their vote for Ron Paul at the convention.

It's an interesting campaign strategy, to say the least.

Dusty 03-12-2012 13:55

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Originally Posted by Sparty On (Post 439579)
I ended up voting for Ron Paul.

In my mind Mitt Romney keeps channeling John Kerry with his flip-flopping and Santorum's robocall totally turned me off.



Some Paulistas are counting on Ron Paul to court unbound delegates to stay within striking distance of Romney. Say for example, Newt drops out of the race, his delegates become unbound and are now free to cast their vote for Ron Paul at the convention.

It's an interesting campaign strategy, to say the least.

What will you do if Paul goes 3rd party?

Sparty On 03-14-2012 13:16

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Originally Posted by Dusty (Post 439586)
What will you do if Paul goes 3rd party?

Good question -- I would vote for him again.

He didn't in 2008, so I would be very surprised if he did this year. :munchin

CRad 03-15-2012 20:31

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004 (Post 437562)
The problem here is that it is not necessarily the woman's body, as there is another human being inside of it, or at least after a certain point. And if the State sanctions the killing of human life, that can lead to a dangerous slippery-slope.

I am not exactly sure what certain states call the death penalty. However, I am sure it equals "State Sanctioned Taking (killing) of Human Life." and I am wondering what "slippery-slope" that has lead to regarding reproductive rights.

Danny Boy calling BroadSword! Come in BroadSword. Could we have a clarification, Please.


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