I agree 100%.

The strategic point is what many overlook. I will give examples from India because that's what I'm familiar with. Take the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) for example: It was established to develop top notch scientific talent in the 1950s for India. However, due to India's own SOCIALIST policies, many of the top talent took their FREE government education and brought it to the United States. It is incredibly expensive to educate top engineering, medicine, and other technical science students.

Additionally, international students pay full fees at colleges. Sure, they get stipends, research assistantships, and teaching assistantships, but those are paid for by some hard work under professors, who teach and take credit. It's a fair trade for the services each provides. It also hasn't prevented American students from getting to grad school. For engineering, I had above average grades, though not top notch. I still managed to get into a decent school and achieve my goals.

If anyone is more concerned about true unemployment rates, not just a drop in the bucket (which the H1B amounts to for the approximately 15 million or 5% of the nation's unemployed), then the liberal left should worry about the ILLEGAL immigrants. But hey, why worry about that, when you can handicap American business even more, by preventing them from snatching top talent away from their multinational competitors. It isn't like labor unions haven't squashed enough competition already. The European 'tight' immigration policies have not reduced their local unemployment rates nor have their unions reduced those rates.

We didn't get ahead in the world by the protectionist measures used by other countries. Rather, history and above all empirical information suggests the very opposite. People made fun of Milton Friedman back in the day, where he was outnumbered by folks from the London School of Economics type of thought (leftist). The long run has proven the Chicago Economics school's theories to be far more accurate.

If anything, someone like myself and my friends (who were unemployed for a period during the 2002-2003 time frame) would gripe against H1B type employment. We don't - because if one H1B engineer can ADD VALUE to the corporation, there is a strong possibility that it will create more opportunity. A job isn't a static quantity. Growth requires nourishment, for white collar (EDIT: frankly any) jobs that means the best quality talent one can find at the market price.

I think you're taking it out of context. We're talking about employers who have certified to the government that the domestic supply of certain labor specialties is exhausted and promise to pay foreign nationals equal pay for the same work. The problem is fraud and broken promises.

I think you're clueless about business and economics. Once again, what do you do?

Given that you've focused on H1Bs in the IT sector, I might think you work in that field.

Well, I can tell you for a fact that salaries in the IT field are highly negotiable. I can point out specific individuals (including my brother and a number of retired vets) who demonstrate that is true, and who have no problem with getting the employment package they want. A couple of them even work for some of the companies you listed.

Of course, they are very good at what they do and actually understand how to maximize their value to an employer and how to negotiate.

My bet is that you don't know how to do any of those things.

You're looking for a.....
 

GUARANTEE!?!?!?:munchin

Stay safe.

The H1B's amount to more than 5% of the engineering, scientific and programming jobs.

H1B abuse comes under the general heading of illegal immigration, and the employers who abuse H1B's are guilty of fraud, deception and theft.

So, where are all the DOJ cases in this area?

Oh, there aren't any? Maybe that is because H1B quotas (and yes, they are quotas) are set years before they go into effect, and actually make perfect sense when the quotas were set. Only problem is that government isn't actually a very responsive entity and by the time the quotas actually are implemented, they are well out of date. But they still are the regulation.

Not a lawyer either, are you?

Debunking the Myth of a Desparate Software Labor Shortage

"Another invited article was the relation of H-1B to age discrimination in the computer industry, published in the California Labor and Employment Law Review, a publication of the California State Bar Association. Many people, even critics of the H-1B program, are unaware of the fact that one of the primary reasons employers like H-1B is that it broadens the young segment of the labor pool, enabling employers to avoid hiring the 45-year-old, or for that matter, 35-year-old, programmers and engineers."

Gee, a collection of articles by one guy regarding his opinion on a subject.

No cases.

Do you bother to read the stuff you post?

Job Destruction Directory

Guest-Worker Information Center - Get the facts on foreign worker visas. This is the most comprehensive online library on nonimmigrant work visas (NIVs) as well as letters of opinion and horror stories about employment issues.

More opinions. Arguably propaganda (the name of the site doesn't exactly lead one to believe that is an academic issue).

And still won't tell us what you do....

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I live in Chillicothe, Ohio.

Jackson is about 20 minutes drive, if that, from town here. There are a lot of things one doesn't realize or fully see the scale of until one leaves home. As for myself leaving home for college at The Ohio State University didn't figure to be as big of a deal for me as it may be for most people starting college in my area, but coming home was.

When I got to school I didn't realize how bad off southern ohio really is. Let's put it this way. When I was sitting in my 500 level sociology class and the professor popped in a video about poverty, class, and race. One of the examples of a poor lower class family was from a town 15 minutes to the south of my home town of Chillicothe. The family featured lived in a mobile home, and the mother of the two boys walked 30 minutes to work at burger king every day, then walked home, rain or shine.

After class was over the professor asked the class (which reminds me, A.J. Hawk current Packers linebacker and former Buckeye football star sat a seat to my left, well 2 seats because he took up that many.) how many of us were from "Appalachia" Myself and one other person out of probably 60+ raised our hands. She then asked where, and I told her that I was from the same area. Immediately I was asked if I was on scholarship or given special funds from a poverty stricken area (which I am not, my family is very fortunate).


My point with this whole post is pretty simple. When I finished with college, I headed home. After that day of class I never viewed home the same again. I realized that seeing homes with dirt floors, going to grade school with kids who can't afford socks, or under wear or to bathe because they don't have running water wasn't normal. Nothing comes to this area, no business, factories close down, jobs are lost by the hundreds and thousands. There is absolutely no reason for any company to locate their business here. Go look at a map of southern ohio, sans the Cincinatti area. Tell me how many Interstates run through it.

I'm all for picking your ass up off the ground and making something of yourself. Everyone in this great country has that chance to an extent. I hate welfare, I hate slackers, and people who quit. But this area, every year something happens. I'm working part time loss prevention for a retail store with an ex 82nd Airborne guy, who left the military in hopes of a 67,000 dollar a year job with a factory in Chillicothe. A financial panic occured when gas prices sky rocketed, and guess what. 500 jobs this area depends on, gone. Same with countless other factory jobs around here.


When people complain about not having a job around here, they're not just "being lazy." The jobs don't exsist. Not the kind of jobs where you can work and feed your family. So get two jobs right? Wrong, good luck finding an employer around here who will work with your schedule and understand your situation. It's the real world and the jobs are demanded. If you can't work certain times, or you don't know the guy hiring personally, good luck chuck, better find somewhere else to work.

The only thing I see saving lives around here is school. The big joke about this area is no one ever leaves. Dozens of my friends go to school for a year, and bam they're right back home at community college, settling for less. Often though, kids get out, and that's the only positive thing for the area.

God bless my home town, I love it to death, the land is beautiful, and the culture is great. But God damn the real world sometimes, because it's rough on some of America's finest citizens.



*apologies for the rant... it's tough to understand if you're not from here.

That goes on a lot around here actually. Adena Medical Center in Ross County (where Chillicothe is located). Attracts a lot of works from Jackson, Vinton, and Pike counties. Ohio University- Chillicothe has several full 4 year degree programs dealing with the medical profession, mainly nursing. IT field jobs around here aren't too common, so getting a degree around here doesn't do dick for that.

People don't really understand the cultural reasons behind these problems either. Someone also mentioned moving to a distant city or getting out of the area. People here are Scottish, English, Irish, Germans, etc. They're clan people. You don't get many eastern Europeans or Italian/Sicilians in this area. It's not uncommon to go up a road and every mailbox on the hill has the same last name. What you don't understand is, generations lives and die in these hills on the same land decade after decade. It sounds silly, and it really is. Everyone's related to someone down here. My earlier post about people coming back from college after a year or a few quarters has a lot to do with family. They just don't want to be away from their ENTIRE family.

Again, it's weird, maybe even a bit silly, but that's the way the majority of the culture is around here. I call it clan based culture.

For example I dated a girl from home while I was at school at OSU. Her mother's biggest worry was her leaving home to go to cosmotology school in Columbus. Why was she worried? Because she wouldn't be home to go to the same church as the rest of her family, or to be home to see her mom. Clan culture, it's sad.