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The Reaper 01-08-2008 20:37

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Originally Posted by Undisputed4 (Post 194846)
While that may or may not be true, the average voter doesnt know anything about that. Its all about titles and common knowledge when it comes to prior experiences. The issue of POW's being left behind bothers me alot. What ever happened to that guy who shouted off on TV of how he was going to get the POW's? Also if you could give me the general points of the book, I would appreciate it.

Another reason I think that McCain doesnt do better is that the Vietnam War was so long ago. While the voters will give points for prior service, it wasnt a highly popular war. If it would of been a "succesful war", IMO he would be doing much better.

I don't think that at the ripe old age of 20, you have the knowledge or experience to comment intelligently on this topic, particularly with the people you are attempting to argue with.

Your information on the success or failure of the Vietnam war is tinted by the people who wrote about it or told you about it.

We left Vietnam 34 years ago. It isn't ancient history, and I suspect that the majority of the electorate was alive then.

I would stand down and spend some time reading and conducting critical analysis of the subject.

TR

Undisputed4 01-08-2008 21:13

I said it may or may not be true because I simply dont know. I had never taken the time to look into it, so I didnt make a comment one way or another on the subject. I never even tried to counter your arguement

brownapple 01-08-2008 21:19

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Originally Posted by Undisputed4 (Post 194904)
I said it may or may not be true because I simply dont know. I had never taken the time to look into it, so I didnt make a comment one way or another on the subject. I never even tried to counter your arguement

You aren't making things better.

It's simple. You say:

"Sir, my apologies. I didn't mean to infer that your comments weren't correct. I will strive to me more precise in my communications."

Instead, you sound like you're making excuses.

Guy 01-09-2008 07:52

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Originally Posted by Shar (Post 194867)
Maybe I'm just holding out a little too much hope here, but I don't read that article as saying Powell is endorsing Obama as much as him saying he's proud of what he's accomplished as a black man. No?

The presidential election should NOT be about, an individuals race or sex.:cool:

As far as my thoughts on Hillary...she ain't no Margaret Thatcher!:lifter

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I guess I'm just saying that I agree with General Powell. We should see the candidate first as a candidate who happens to be something - not the other way around.
I agree! That's why I took that article with a grain of salt.

Stay safe.

Shar 01-09-2008 10:31

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Originally Posted by Guy (Post 194932)

As far as my thoughts on Hillary...she ain't no Margaret Thatcher!:lifter

Amen to that.

I love how the headline on MSNBC right now is "Women Return to Clinton". She got 46% of the female vote to 34% going to Obama. That doesn't seem like a landslide to me.

One of the sub-articles is "Did the tears help?" I sure hope that didn't do it. I'll be awfully disappointed in my gender. But my guess is that the media is blowing this out of proportion.

GratefulCitizen 01-09-2008 17:01

Perspective
 
I doubt you'll see this perspective shown on the evening news:

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/190668.php

The graph at the bottom is definitely a picture worth a thousand words.

afchic 01-10-2008 11:34

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Originally Posted by Shar (Post 194952)
Amen to that.

I love how the headline on MSNBC right now is "Women Return to Clinton". She got 46% of the female vote to 34% going to Obama. That doesn't seem like a landslide to me.

One of the sub-articles is "Did the tears help?" I sure hope that didn't do it. I'll be awfully disappointed in my gender. But my guess is that the media is blowing this out of proportion.

I was watching Hannity and Colmes last night and they were discussing this with pundits from the left and the right. The left of course said that it made her seem more human and she will make gains from that (example New Hampshire). The right came back with Hillary has always been an ultra feminist, who is now using her gender (boo hoo I am just a poor woman getting picked on by all these mean men) and tears to gain the Presidency. I have a feeling this is going to come back and bite her in the ass. It proves what a real phoney she is and to what lengths she is willing to give up on her own principles to get what she wants. That is definitly the person I want running this country!! LOL

Shar 01-10-2008 13:04

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Originally Posted by afchic (Post 195122)
It proves what a real phoney she is and to what lengths she is willing to give up on her own principles to get what she wants.

Except that she's done it before and she knows she can do it again.
Talk about flip-flopping:
  • During 1992 Presidential Campaign she maligned Tammy Wynette saying she wasn't a "stand by your man", cookie-baking kind of gal in response to the Flowers affair.
  • After the Lewinsky business she DID end up "standing by her man"
  • She also released a number of cookie recipes throughout her career as a political wife, most notably whenever she was being criticized for not being ladylike enough. http://clinton2.nara.gov/WH/EOP/Firs...l/cookies.html

She's pulled this "tea and cookie" thing off and on for years. It all depends on the way the wind is blowing whether she's a pants or skirt kind of gal. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but look at Nancy Pelosi or Geraldine Ferraro, they aren't/weren't playing games with their gender - they just are who they are (or CRAZY Ann Richards!). For the record, I do much prefer to look to the Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Elizabeth Dole models in politics - but even on the Dem side, the women don't have to play the game she's been playing.

Matta mile 01-10-2008 19:58

R.P.
 
No love of Hillary here either but after being "asleep at the wheel" for more years than I care to mention on the subject of national elections this Ron Paul guy seems to meet the sincerity, issues, and ability to get things done criteria that I have in my head. I have expected so little of the Federal Government's ability to manage that this old, Barney Fife type of character infact has got me excited in comparison to all other delegates. I for one like his message and believe it be resposible at last.
MM

brownapple 01-10-2008 22:26

Some of you may know the author of this bit. He's a retired SF Major with the nickname "Zippo".

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We may be veterans but we are Americans first.The defeatist rhetoric of Ron Paul totally overcomes any other positions he may hold and brings into question his entire agenda.I can think of no candidate I more vehemently disagree with on foreign policy.America should have learned from Vietnam and from 11 September 2001 that we cannot ignore the festering sores of terrorism and totalitarian Islam or communism. They may appear to be at odds but they are brought together by a common enemy,US! Communism uses the readily available money from the Islamic extremists to survive and the terrorists operate with impunity based on a wrongheaded western philosophy that communism is anathema to Islamic terrorism.No past history indicates this and only in Afghanistan did they come to fight each other.This was but a speed bump on the way to, especially Asian communists, grasping the lucrative brass ring of global terrorism.Ron Paul is a fool and QUITTER!Thus he fits well into the plans of the left and isolationist right.

MAB32 01-11-2008 07:26

Greenhat,

Couldn't agree more with the SF Major. Paul is frankly a bad dream, period.

Matta mile 01-11-2008 08:24

Sounds like some varying opinions on Paul. Good stuff- Thanks!
MM

Ret10Echo 01-11-2008 10:03

I'm still waiting to see where things go leading up to Super (duper?) Tuesday.

What I find myself working on is not getting into supporting N.E. Bodybut....because it turns out poorly if the motivation to vote for an individual is based on the fact that the person is NOT someone else.

Maryland decided that due to the MSM rhetoric that they would vote in a Democrat govenor because he was NOT a Republican. Now I get to listen to all the stories of regret from Maryland Democrats for voting for this guy because taxes are going through the roof....well duh! no surprises there.


If I watch a debate there are some candidates that give me that sort of "Used Car salesman" tingle up my neck. (No offense to the used car salesmen intended). If the candidate is doing well but I see a budget that is totally ludicrous I have to ask myself if this cat doing well based on a capability or stuffing money (through advertising etc) into peoples pockets.

Trying to glean the facts from the available sources is difficult at best.


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