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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 659087)

"‘How Could the CDC Make That Mistake?’ "

I regard that question in the article from the Professor at "Hah-verd" as rhetorical.
I mean, damn, it's the CDC; that's how.
Next thing you know they'll say that the virus isn't as viable on surfaces as they originally told everyone.
Oh, wait...
:rolleyes:

I'm beginning to think that all the media, right down to the 5:00 and 10:00 pm local news broadcasts in Smalltown, USA, are common-core kiddies. They can't seem to do the math to arrive at the actual Current Number of Active Cases in their area. The sure do like that Total Cases Ever number, though. I know that my county health services director as well as the adjacent one have been told to make their numbers comply in formatting with what the state wants to see; and clarity is lost from there on up. Freakin' HHQ are the same everywhere it seems. Now that V Corps is standing up again they could qualify.

This stuff is bad for the digestion; better to contemplate the heirlooms growin' like weeds out on the front deck. Some toast, some bacon... :D

It's Time for the Non-Experts

Regarding the response to the corona virus pandemic, I contend that we have been profoundly misled by the “Experts”! Yep, that’s right I said it…The “Experts” have been wrong!

SARSCoV-2 is a highly transmissible virus that can lead to a fatal disease - COVID-19. We have no vaccine nor do we have an effective treatment.

The models told us that We were facing collapse of our healthcare infrastructure and nearly 1.2 million fatalities if we don’t do something and do it quickly!

Yikes!!! :eek: What do we do? What DO we do?

We turn to the public health experts of course. The “Experts” delved into their experiential “bag of tricks” to tell us to stay away from one another, and don’t congregate because this virus needs to be transmitted person-to person in order to survive. And of course we need to test, test, test, and test again so we can see if cases are increasing, staying, the same or declining. In short the “expert” advice is to interrupt human to human transmission and let COVID-19 run it’s course. To the public health “Experts” credit, the disease has been mitigated and our healthcare system has not been overwhelmed as predicted.

Frankly, I don't believe that the predicted dire consequences would have happened regardless. But then I am no "Expert" :D

But did these “experts” miss anything?

Well, yes they did! See: “Effects of chloroquine on viral infections: an old drug against today’s diseases”. Lancet 3(11) 722-727 1 Nov. 2013. As an entrepreneur and a medical research scientist, I read this and saw a mechanism of action for an old drug that would justify its widespread use as a possible (likely) prophylactic agent in this COVID-19 pandemic. This illustrates why, when faced with a new and novel problem the best advice does not necessarily come from the “Experts”. I am no public health expert, but had I been asked, I would have recommended using the public in a large scale blinded and randomized prospective clinical trial to compare infection rates in (i) a placebo group vs (ii) a chloroquine treated group. I think this would have established prophylactic efficacy for chloroquine very early on and we could have avoided the economic shut-down all together.

In about six-weeks we should have results from a prospective study that is being conducted at the University of Wisconsin so we’ll see.

The problem with reliance upon "expert" opinions in novel and unique problems is that “experts” will by definition first apply historical analogies to the problem. For truly novel or unique problems those analogies will not fit and the “Expert” mindset does not seek out novel or apparently un-related observations to apply to the problem. Unfortunately, that is Exactly what is required in the current pandemic problem!

Now we are the unwitting subjects of a different experiment. But that's a subject for a different discussion. ;)

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Originally Posted by Trapper John (Post 659103)

TJ, I’ll defer to your level of non-expert over my level of non-expert-ness and contend that the only thing novel (new) about this virus (aside from its enhanced protein spikes) is the level at which our appointed leaders have gone to destroy the country and the world to a achieve their desired goals.

A species is only as strong as its weakest link. Those above that link will undoubtedly survive and become stronger, those below that link are destined for other outcomes to include deformities or death.

JMO
Stay Frosty!

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Originally Posted by Trapper John (Post 659103)

Regarding the response to the corona virus pandemic, I contend that we have been profoundly misled by the “Experts”! Yep, that’s right I said it…The “Experts” have been wrong!
;)

Agreed, Expert and Science are not always the same paradigm.

It is not fair to compare today to yesterday, bUT it is fair to point out the similarities to individuals that espouse Science to gain control of those that can't distinguish the facts of Science vs the facts of artificially fabricated fantasy.

And we have many many examples.

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The COVID-19 'Science' Is Starting to Scare Me
By Rabbi Michael Barclay May 21, 2020 10:07 AM EST

As a rabbi, I have always looked at patterns and historical repetitions, and I have to admit… I am starting to get truly frightened. Not of coronavirus, earthquakes, or an increase in crime.

I am starting to get scared of “science”.

Not the scientific method that I grew up with of hypothesis, proof, and conclusion. But this strange and questionable “science” upon which public policies are now getting based. It is starting to remind me all too much of other policies based on “science” in the past. Historically, when public policies have been based in the science of the time, the policies have often led to dangerous and painful results.

When over 100 Chicago clergy opened their doors this past weekend to provide the essential services of spiritual nurturing through prayer in defiance of the stay-at-home order of Illinois Gov. Pritzker (D), the governor tweeted that he had “sympathy for leaders struggling with those choices — but not for those so intent on disregarding science & logic that they put people’s lives at risk.”

Governors Cuomo (D-New York) and Newsom (D-Calif.) have imposed draconian measures of quarantine and isolation based on “science” and in the process have determined that cannabis clubs, abortion clinics, and bike shops are all more “essential” than religious institutions.

The World Health Organization claimed on April 6 that science had determined that face masks were unnecessary for healthy people, and then determined by May that the science showed that everyone should wear a mask. Mayor Garcetti of Los Angeles has determined that the science shows that everyone needs to wear a mask as soon as leaving the house to prevent further spread of the virus.

Here in Ventura County, Calif., Dr Robert Levin has made it clear that the county will be hiring over 50 new staff to track people who have been exposed to COVID-19 and quarantine anyone who has been exposed, even removing them from their home environment (he tried to walk back his words a few days later, but you can listen to his actual words here. Dr. Levin’s science-based procedures are for a county that has fewer than 1/100 of one percent fatalities.

History shows us these same types of isolation practices and singling out of individuals or groups based on “science” before. The 18th-century zoologist Carl Linnaeus determined that the “African race” (as opposed to those from Europe) were “sly, lazy, cunning, lustful, careless, and governed by caprice.” His science proved that Asians were “severe, haughty, greedy, and ruled by opinions,” whereas the Europeans were “gentle, acute, inventive, governed by laws.”

This “scientific racism” was extended by Christopher Meiners (1747-1810), whose science demonstrated without a doubt that “negroes… feel less pain than others” and are “without emotion.” These and other “scientists” like them paved the way for justifying slavery. If those of African descent were less than human, then there was no reason to not treat them differently and even enslave them.

In 1912, Henry Goddard “scientifically” tested immigrants at Ellis Island and determined that 87% of Russians, 83% of Jews, 80% of Hungarians, and 79% of Italians were “feeble minded and had a mental age of less than 12.” His scientific proof was the foundation for the Immigration Act of 1924, restricting American immigration.

The twentieth century demonstrated the epitome of the dangers of “science” determining public policy in Europe. By 1933, German scientists had “proven without doubt” that there were different classes of humans; that the pure Aryan race was scientifically proven to be superior to all others; and that other categories such as Jews were “sub-human” (Untermenschen).

By definition, this meant that, like the black slaves of the 19th century, these sub-humans could and should be marked (with a yellow star if Jewish to distinguish them from the other more human races), isolated and quarantined, and even medically experimented on…all for the purpose of science and to protect the general public.

The Nuremberg Laws of 1935 codified into official public policy these anti-Semitic behaviors, all derived from the “modern science” of the time and based on the idea that the general populace should trust those scientists in order to protect the nation. Ultimately, this led to the Holocaust and the systematic killing of over six million Jews.

https://pjmedia.com/culture/rabbi-mi...are-me-n412181

:munchin

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Agreed, Expert and Science are not always the same paradigm.

If we are all being honest about things... Scientist and Science are not always the same paradigm either.

Hell, for that matter, doctor and medicine apparently don't go together like they used to either.

...the word "expert" has pissed me off since I was a PFC and someone referred to an E-5 with a drinking problem as a subject matter expert.

JJ Your post by Rabbi Barclay precisely raises the issue to which I was referring when I said, "Now we are the unwitting subjects of a different experiment. But that's a subject for a different discussion."

I intend to follow-up on that point with Rabbi Barclay's comments as my lead.

Finest kind post as usual JJ.

https://theprint.in/health/hcq-break...4V0Dq5-GcdTTt8

What did I say? What DID I say??:lifter

HCQ breakthrough: ICMR finds it’s effective in preventing coronavirus, expands its use

Three studies find that hydroxychloroquine reduces chances of contracting Covid, so ICMR allows more frontline workers to take it as a preventive drug.

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Originally Posted by Trapper John (Post 659126)

I guess that means "Stable Genius" Trump is Right!!

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Originally Posted by Trapper John (Post 659126)

What did I say? What DID I say??:lifter

HCQ breakthrough: ICMR finds it’s effective in preventing coronavirus, expands its use

Three studies find that hydroxychloroquine reduces chances of contracting Covid, so ICMR allows more frontline workers to take it as a preventive drug.

Enjoy your "no shit Sherlock!" moment. :D I can hear that "Die Hard" voice now; "Welcome to the party, pal!" And, frankly, a bunch of America who've been reading more than a 'friends' list for the last 2 months will say it with you.

Let me guess; the CDC could not be reached for comment...

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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 659091)

:D:D:D

Have you seen the latest test??

THAT test is for Democrats...because their nasal passage...attached to their head...is...you guessed it...in their rear.

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Originally Posted by 1stindoor (Post 659155)

THAT test is for Democrats...because their nasal passage...attached to their head...is...you guessed it...in their rear.

Clinical trials on the HCQ suppository?

The line of attack will be that India has a financial interest.
Of course, this line of reasoning isn't used against big pharma or Bill Gates here...
https://www.businessinsider.in/busin...w/75031310.cms

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/art...40673620311806

A study published Friday in the Lancet.

LHC

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Originally Posted by Last hard class (Post 659159)

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/art...40673620311806

A study published Friday in the Lancet.

LHC

All the progressives are touting this report as proof positive 45 is to blame and we're all gonna die.. :munchin

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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 659165)

All the progressives are touting this report as proof positive 45 is to blame and we're all gonna die.. :munchin

And 45 made all those clinicians who've had success with not-yet-in-hospital patients become liars out of the clear blue sky. How many of the white coats in Ivory Towers will blow by the tailoring of the basic scenario, because Lancet? All I've really learned out of all this Atari Pong tennis match is that the experts aren't.

And Trump could wake up with a cure that costs 2-bits a dose while simultaneously aborting late-term babies in the Lincoln Bedroom and it would still be OrangeManBad.