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BKKMAN 02-20-2013 19:56

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Originally Posted by nousdefions (Post 492329)
Hard Hitting Video

Maybe the ''Low Information" will finally get it.

I got goose bumps and wood watching that...

This video is much better than the ad where they talked about the security of President Obama's daughters...this one focuses on the core arguments surrounding the 2nd Amendment...it almost seems like they read our letter and then slapped together a video...

Gypsy 02-20-2013 20:07

Excellent ad, thanks for the post.

Stiletto11 02-20-2013 20:19

An add isn't going to stop them. Olympic Arms in Washington state told New York politicians that it will not supply NYLE with arms until they repeal the anti gun legislation against law abiding citizens. I think you have to hit them in the wallet to get their attention. Colt in Connecticut and MagPul in Colorado have plans to move south. If more of these companies did the same thing then we can counter Bloomberg and his money. Billions will be lost in tax revenue not to mention jobs; Fight fire with fire because they don't give a shit about our Constitutional rights.

SF18C 02-20-2013 20:51

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Originally Posted by nousdefions (Post 492329)
Hard Hitting Video

Maybe the ''Low Information" will finally get it.

Did anyone catch the lady firing the AR10 at 49 seconds....what the hell was that a 5 round AR Mag????

nousdefions 02-20-2013 22:00

Didn't catch it, but you're right. It looks like a 5 round magazine. I remember when I bought my AR-15, it came with a "hunting" magazine, a 20 rounder that had a metal insert that only allowed 5 rounds to be loaded. It was easy to remove.

badshot 02-21-2013 03:08

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Originally Posted by Stiletto11 (Post 492396)
If more of these companies did the same thing then we can counter Bloomberg and his money. Billions will be lost in tax revenue not to mention jobs; Fight fire with fire because they don't give a shit about our Constitutional rights.

:cool:

The Remington factory in Upstate New York may move as well...

Lets hope they all follow...

pcfixer 02-21-2013 11:51

Veterans determined Incompetent by VA
 
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Written By Constitutional Attorney Michael Connelly, J.D.

How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.

What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?

That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of America’s heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.

The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA. In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent. This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall “… be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law…”.

Obviously, the Department of Veterans Affairs can’t be bothered by such impediments as the Constitution, particularly since they are clearly pushing to fulfill one of Obama’s main goals, the disarming of the American people. Janet Napolitano has already warned law enforcement that some of the most dangerous among us are America’s heroes, our veterans, and now according to this letter from the VA they can be prohibited from buying or even possessing a firearm because of a physical or mental disability.

Think about it, the men and women who have laid their lives on the line to defend us and our Constitution are now having their own Constitutional rights denied. There are no clear criteria for the VA to declare a veteran incompetent. It can be the loss of a limb in combat, a head injury, a diagnosis of PTSD, or even a soldier just telling someone at the VA that he or she is depressed over the loss of a buddy in combat. In none of these situations has the person been found to be a danger to themselves or others. If that was the case than all of the Americans who have suffered from PTSD following the loss of a loved one or from being in a car accident would also have to be disqualified from owning firearms. It would also mean that everyone who has ever been depressed for any reason should be disarmed. In fact, many of the veterans being deprived of their rights have no idea why it is happening.

The answer seems to be it is simply because they are veterans. At the USJF we intend to find the truth by filing a Freedom of Information Act request to the Department of Veterans Affairs to force them to disclose the criteria they are using to place veterans on the background check list that keeps them from exercising their Second Amendment rights. Then we will take whatever legal steps are necessary to protect our American warriors.

The reality is that Obama will not get all of the gun control measures he wants through Congress, and they wouldn’t be enough for him anyway. He wants a totally disarmed America so there will be no resistance to his plans to rob us of our nation. That means we have to ask who will be next. If you are receiving a Social Security check will you get one of these letters? Will the government declare that you are incompetent because of your age and therefore banned from firearm ownership. It certainly fits in with the philosophy and plans of the Obama administration. It is also certain that our military veterans don’t deserve this and neither do any other Americans.

-- Michael Connelly, J.D.
Executive Director, United States Justice Foundation
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ODA CDR (RET) 02-21-2013 12:22

Interesting....
 
I am exactly who this letter describes, SS & 100% PTSD. I'll let you know if I get one of these letters.

Lan 02-21-2013 13:04

Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
 
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Same maniacal group as http://www.bradycampaign.org/ ?

Same group that supposedly posted this on their Facebook page and denies they did it after it caused such a tremendous uproar?

Just checking...

MR2 02-21-2013 14:05

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Originally Posted by pcfixer (Post 492483)
Veterans determined Incompetent by VA

A cursory search of United States Justice Foundation produced no discussion of this "letter".

pcfixer 02-21-2013 14:42

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Originally Posted by MR2 (Post 492508)
A cursory search of United States Justice Foundation produced no discussion of this "letter".

Good question! Trust but verify.
http://michaelconnelly.jigsy.com/

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Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of America’s heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.

sinjefe 02-21-2013 14:52

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Originally Posted by pcfixer (Post 492515)
Good question! Trust but verify.
http://michaelconnelly.jigsy.com/

added :

Dude, somebodies blog is not proof of a governmental conspiracy. Not that they wouldn't, but you have to have a more reliable source than that.

Lan 02-21-2013 17:26

The best pro 2A video I've seen
 
GUNS (Virtual State of the Union 2013)

Please share!!

badshot 02-21-2013 22:25

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Originally Posted by sinjefe (Post 492517)
Dude, somebodies blog is not proof of a governmental conspiracy. Not that they wouldn't, but you have to have a more reliable source than that.

IMHO, Think pcfixer was referring to MR2's comment on a reference. Your comment is though spot on none the less, facts or evidence is always helpful when making accusations, especially if you're a JD!.

No personal umbrage intended to pcfixer or the writer of the blog and letter, as the intent was to help others, but the totality of the author's background and interests make his cause and possible effect theorem less creditable even without the accusation. Unless of course you have a strong belief in ghosts or don't believe attorneys should present clear evidence when making claims of improper behavoir.

Ok, here we go with the ghost fans and worshipers...you may email me at jimmycrackcorn@dontcare.com :D

Team Sergeant 02-22-2013 10:32

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Originally Posted by Lan (Post 492544)

Outstanding video!

Sounds like someone took a page from our letter.

Badger52 02-22-2013 12:16

re Virtual SOTU
 
Outstanding!

sinjefe 02-22-2013 12:43

Bill Whittle for President!

pcfixer 02-22-2013 14:37

Yes, Great Video. Makes sense to me.

tonyz 02-22-2013 14:38

NICS Background checks and protecting the 2A
 
January 2013...alone... = 2,495,440

Below is a chart illustrating NICS background checks. Of note, November and December 2012 as well as January 2013.

Total NICS Background Checks November 30, 1998 - January 31, 2013

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nic...rly_totals.pdf

Team Sergeant 02-22-2013 14:47

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Originally Posted by tonyz (Post 492747)
January 2013...alone... = 2,495,440

Below is a chart illustrating NICS background checks. Of note, November and December 2012 as well as January 2013.

Total NICS Background Checks November 30, 1998 - January 31, 2013

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nic...rly_totals.pdf

And those numbers may in fact be a lot higher. Here in Arizona if you have a concealed carry permit (like me) you can walk into any gun store and purchase a pistol, rifle etc. with no background checks.

I don't know how many other states do this. Food for thought.

tonyz 02-22-2013 15:07

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 492750)
And those numbers may in fact be a lot higher. Here in Arizona if you have a concealed carry permit (like me) you can walk into any gun store and purchase a pistol, rifle etc. with no background checks.

I don't know how many other states do this. Food for thought.

Interesting. And, if you look at each Form 4473 there is room for up to 5 firearms...thus, it seems possible for the purchase of up to 5 firearms per each NICS background check.

Of course, not many of us purchase 5 at a time and not all NICS checks result in a sale. But, the overwhelming majority of checks do result in a sale. The numbers are staggering - is DC listening?

I'll defer to our FFLs to confirm the 5 firearms per 4473 and one NICS background check.

In any event, the law abiding citizenry of this great nation appear to be embracing the 2A like never before.

Lan 02-26-2013 09:51

Shocked this was written in the local newspaper
 
I thought some of you might enjoy reading a well written pro 2A article that sheds light on the tyranny we face here in Kalifornia.

Sac Bee Article

"California has some of the toughest – and arguably some of the most overbearing – gun laws in the nation. But you'd never know it to hear our legislators yammer.

Lawmakers give lip service to liberty, while concocting terrifying yet meaningless new terms to justify restrictions on lawful gun ownership.

When it comes to demagoguing guns, state Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg is one of the finer practitioners working today. Announcing the Legislature's gun control agenda a couple of weeks ago, Steinberg peddled all of the usual clichés about "safety" and "common sense." He even genuflected ever so slightly in the direction of the Bill of Rights.

"We respect the Second Amendment right of law-abiding citizens to have guns for hunting, for sport, for protecting their homes and families," the Sacramento Democrat solemnly intoned. Then he proceeded to explain how he and his colleagues intend to trammel upon that right.

The Second Amendment, of course, has nothing whatsoever to do with hunting or sport, and it's only tangentially about self-defense. Steinberg merely mouthed the words. He had to. Judging by his proposed legislation, he obviously doesn't believe them.

That politicians spread falsehoods to advance a political agenda is hardly a novel observation. But the facts are inescapable. Notwithstanding the spree shootings that have horrified the nation, gun violence on the whole has fallen steadily and substantially over the past 20 years.

The federal assault weapons ban, which expired in 2004 and Democrats ardently wish to resurrect, had practically no influence on that decline. Why not? Those weapons are used in only a tiny portion of crimes. But they sure look nasty, don't they?

Yet Steinberg went on to denounce "loopholes in California's tough gun laws" that "have been exploited long enough." What loopholes? Exploited by whom? To what end?

In reality, the senator was lamenting how well firearm manufacturers have complied with California's law, which banned certain cosmetic features on semiautomatic rifles, shotguns and handguns.

Steinberg and his Democratic colleagues gave the game away with their proposal to ban all semiautomatic rifles with detachable magazines. In other words, they want to ban just about every semiautomatic rifle on the market today. Are those guns popular? Oh, yes. Are they used in crimes? Again, almost never. No matter. Ban 'em anyway – with all due "respect" to the Second Amendment, naturally. We'll see if that holds up in court.

California already bans the manufacture, sale and import of those much-discussed "high-capacity" magazines – another misleading term that apparently isn't terrifying enough. So lately we've heard the phrase "assault magazine" enter the discourse. Somebody must have poll-tested it, because House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, a host of Congress members, San Francisco District Attorney George Gascón and the left-liberal think tank Think Progress all picked up the term recently. I'm sorry to report the phrase even crept into the editorial column of this exemplary newspaper.

Do you want to know what a real "assault magazine" is? A rolled up copy of Vanity Fair used to bonk an obtuse lawmaker on the top of his thick head. Otherwise, a magazine is a magazine. Some hold seven bullets, some hold 10, and some hold 20 or 30. By itself, however, a metal box with a spring can "assault" no one.

Closely related to the "assault magazine" is the "assault bullet." You're probably thinking: Aren't all bullets "assault bullets"? Given the right circumstances, an "assault bullet" could also be a "defense bullet." But in general, a bullet is a bullet – and not to be confused with a shotgun shell, which usually sprays pellets.

Bullets come in different shapes and sizes. In this case, an "assault bullet" refers to one that expands on impact. A more accurate, less inflammatory, generally accepted term for this type of ammunition is "hollow point." Police use hollow point ammo for good reason: Expanding bullets don't penetrate walls, which means they're less likely to injure innocent bystanders or neighbors. They also have more stopping power.

In other words, "assault bullets" are safer and more effective than most bullets. Just ask your friendly neighborhood cop.

All of these preposterous neologisms matter, of course, because he who controls the language controls the debate.

Two decades ago, a clear majority of Americans supported some form of gun control. Today, it's barely a plurality. The question remains: What kind of gun control?

Bans are easy – and useless. Universal background checks may have potential. But the California proposals, which also include mandatory liability insurance and a ban on gun loans, would turn many otherwise law-abiding gun owners into criminals simply by virtue of their likely noncompliance.

Steinberg and his colleagues have made a fetish of what they consider evil objects. They shun the far more difficult task of identifying and separating truly dangerous people from dangerous weapons. Far easier to slap the "assault" label on everything they hold wicked, and tell themselves they've done the world some good. They're deluding themselves – and the public. Don't believe the hype."

Max_Tab 02-27-2013 09:38

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Originally Posted by Lan (Post 492495)
Same maniacal group as http://www.bradycampaign.org/ ?

Same group that supposedly posted this on their Facebook page and denies they did it after it caused such a tremendous uproar?

Just checking...

that is probable they worst thing i have seen in promotion for gun control. Being close to someone who was raped it literally makes me sick to my stomach.

tonyz 03-01-2013 21:20

An interesting read -- scroll to comment #8 for additional interesting reading.

A Culture of Entrenched Cowardice
22jan13
Chris Hernandez

"I don’t claim to know the true motivations of everyone who opposes armed citizens’ response to mass shooters. But I do know that this mindset certainly can be a cynical, self-serving way to disguise blatant fear of taking action as “good sense”. I fear that this mindset is changing us from a brave culture, a culture where people are expected to defend the defenseless, to a culture of deeply entrenched cowardice. A culture where outright refusal to defend even one’s own family is celebrated as a mark of high intelligence."

<snip>

link to blog article and comments below:

http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2013...hed-cowardice/

DarkFungus 03-02-2013 09:56

Holy smokes. This, this was beautiful. It is being sent by email, and I can 99 percent guarantee it is spread. "Sociological issue" Hit the fucking nail on the head. Absence of inner peace is the problem - not the existence of guns, knives, heavy things, fists, bats, and dangerous places to fall and hit your head. :p

This was full of actual thought! It was great reading something about this topic that had thought applied to it. Emotion always gets in the way of the gun-control people and I can never tell what they are actually thinking, if they are thinking at all. Same thing happens to both sides, really, but emotional arguments are much more common with liberals.

Very grateful for the effort. Thank you.

MR2 03-02-2013 19:33

The Second Amendment in 2013 (David B. Kopel)

David Kopel is the Featured Speaker, details below! - I'll be attending.

Jefferson County Republican Mens Club, Monday, March 4, 2013

“Just the (Meeting) Facts”: JCRMC meets every Monday, 7am-9am, Howard Johnson Denver West, 12100 W 44th Avenue (I-70, exit 266 South three blocks @ Ward Road, opposite Travel Centers Truck Stop). Twelve dollars, Fifty Cents, $12.50, covers generous yummy Davie’s Chuck Wagon Diner yours-to-order breakfast; and exciting, productive meeting, with informed, concerned, involved and active -- cool, cool men and women. Women, students, young people especially invited.

Badger52 03-11-2013 07:38

Arm yourself
 
Regularly updated compendium to have at hand; scroll down just a bit for the variously-sized versions of the PDF. It is exceptionally well-bookmarked.

http://gunfacts.info/

Lan 03-13-2013 13:18

It's too early to celebrate
 
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Pelosi: Assault weapons ban will not pass Congress

But it does feel good seeing this Liberal outlet and its trumpet admitting defeat.

There's still a lot to do on the State level.

This is what we're facing in California :rolleyes:

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

mojaveman 03-13-2013 17:11

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This is what we're facing in California
I'm most concerned about SB 374, 53, and 293. With too many democrats in office here and a future that's leaning in their direction, it's high time to cross the Colorado river and move to Arizona. I've actually been thinking about it for a long time. I grew up in California but in the past few decades it has changed all for the worse.

badshot 03-13-2013 17:23

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Originally Posted by mojaveman (Post 495895)
I'm most concerned about SB 374, SB 53, and SB 293. With too many democrats in office here and a future that's leaning in their direction, it's high time to cross the Colorado river and move to Arizona. I've actually been thinking about it for a long time. I grew up in California but in the past several decades it has changed all for the worse.

It's sad that there are only a few states left where you aren't sucked dry (not the good kind) and the Constitution still applies.

I left ca when after getting a permit to carry there I'd get frisked every time I got pulled over, jackasses

The Reaper 03-13-2013 19:57

The Congress doesn't have to.

The states are doing their dirty work on the 2nd Amendment for them.

TR

Snaquebite 03-13-2013 20:05

Still pushing our letter every chance I get....

badshot 03-13-2013 20:23

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 495943)
The Congress doesn't have to.

The states are doing their dirty work on the 2nd Amendment for them.

TR

Yes they are and have been...

Thank you Snakebite, TR, TS, and the 1000 for spending the time and effort to speak for the many whom stand behind you.

Sdiver 03-13-2013 21:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaquebite (Post 495946)
Still pushing our letter every chance I get....

May have to print off a few (hundred) and hand them out at the P-mag give-a-way this Saturday in Boulder. :D

....Of course with your permission. ;)

Badger52 03-14-2013 13:50

Re-demonization of the Saturday Night Special
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 495943)
The Congress doesn't have to.

The states are doing their dirty work on the 2nd Amendment for them.

TR

A not too bad piece by Lott here on a segment of the disarmed electorate.

Couple excerpts:
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Can poor people be trusted with guns? Overwhelmingly, Republicans thinks so. But while Democrats fight against taxes on the poor and oppose voter photo IDs because they impose too much of burden, they seem to be doing everything possible – from fees, expensive training requirements, and photo IDs -- to make it next to impossible for the poor to own guns.
....
But Democrats seem to think that waiting for police to arrive from a 911 call is good enough for the poor.

Next week Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) will introduce legislation that will ban the production of inexpensive guns in the United States. While it is true that some criminals use these guns, these smaller, lighter handguns are also ideal for self-defense. And of course they are particularly helpful for poor would-be victims who can't afford more expensive guns.

Just a few weeks ago, the Obama administration made the extremely unusual move of lobbying state House members in Colorado for a bill that would charge people a fee when they purchase a gun. Democrats voted down Republican amendments that would have exempted poor people from paying the fee and capped the fee at a maximum of $25.
Disarmed electorate as a social priority. And when the checks stop comin'...
:rolleyes:

Lan 03-15-2013 11:44

Great infographic
 
Great infographic here :lifter

Team Sergeant 03-15-2013 12:30

Pelosi: Assault weapons ban will not pass Congress
 
I think our letter had an effect...... ;)






Quote:

Originally Posted by Lan (Post 495857)
Pelosi: Assault weapons ban will not pass Congress

But it does feel good seeing this Liberal outlet and its trumpet admitting defeat.

There's still a lot to do on the State level.

This is what we're facing in California :rolleyes:

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

Pelosi: Assault weapons ban will not pass Congress

Clare Kim, @clarehkim
3:11 PM on 03/12/2013

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said the assault weapons ban passing Congress is unlikely in an interview with the Denver Post Monday. Pelosi focused on another attainable goal—passing legislation requiring all gun buyers to get a background check.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/03/12/pelos...pass-congress/

orion5 03-15-2013 12:44

"Pelosi: Assault weapons ban will not pass Congress"

Google translate says:

Pelosi: All those anti-American Republicans will vote down party lines therefore we need to get rid of their ignorant asses ASAP so we can march towards Shang-ri-la uninhibited.

pcfixer 03-18-2013 14:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by orion5 (Post 496208)
"Pelosi: Assault weapons ban will not pass Congress"

Google translate says:

Pelosi: All those anti-American Republicans will vote down party lines therefore we need to get rid of their ignorant asses ASAP so we can march towards Shang-ri-la uninhibited.

I don't think with the Republican House that much on gun, magazine or ammunition bans will pass either.

States have are passing more restrictive measures. Maryland is one also
with SB 281.

Also this week in March 18-27 is the UN Arms Trade Treaty talks/conference.

Lan 03-18-2013 14:53

Arizona is looking nicer every day
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 496205)
I think our letter had an effect...... ;)

I bet it did.

G&A Ranks the Best States for Gun Owners in 2013


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