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bushmaster11 09-10-2012 13:17
Bissonette is a s%#t
 
I DEROS'd in Dec '70 from MACVSOG SOACCN. I did not talk about nuts and bolts. I admitted that MACVSOG existed, using the official cover story. It was not until it was declassified for the Presidential Unit Citation did I tell my family and friends. Even though there had been some open source books.

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SF_BHT 09-10-2012 16:34
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I waited to chime in on the actual book until I had read it. I missed the interview last night. I too have wondered about his motives and I don't think you are going to find them in the book. He tells the story and it is a fast easy read. Whether or not you agree with the writing of the book on the basis of "He's a professional" or "He signed a NDA", it has been written. Now the question is...did he violate OPSEC?

I have signed NDA's and none of them would prevent me from writing a book on my experiences. Two things, I would still have my book vetted AND I didn't go and shoot UBL. That being said I didn't see anything in the book that wasn't already open source and there were a lot of things we know about that he didn't mention in the book. Even if it was all open source it would still depend on what his NDA said, which....we don't know. I remember the days when you couldn't even mention the word JSOC, when you had to put on and take off your IR tape on the aircraft on infil and exfil, and the days when you couldn't talk about FAST roping, nowadays it's everyday vernacular.

I found one thing very interesting was that Adm McRaven was mentioned to be an awesome commander but very political in the book. Adm McRaven has been one of the biggest outspoken critics of "OPSEC" violations (and I'm sure this book) and yet he held a news conference where he was admonished by the former Delta boss for flapping his own gums. Even if you don't like that he wrote the book based on our community silence, he shouldn't be hunted down by our own. Many here have said he has become PNG within the community, isn't that enough?
Depends on the Scope of the NDA. I have signed some that stated very specific items.

He complemented many but understand that this was taped weeks ago before McRaven, DC, DOD etc started to jump on this.

perdurabo 09-11-2012 14:13
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Originally Posted by Pandora (Post 467212)
He certainly must have just pissed off the EOD guy on his team. Told an anecdote about blowing up the chopper that made his team mate sound... less professional than I am certain he is.

I can see how it might look like he was portraying the EOD guy as a fool, but that wasn't my take-away at all. As the author stated in the book, due to the chaos of the operations, several elements were unaware the helo had crashed, including the EOD guy. It seemed more like the author was trying to relay a funny "had to be there" SNAFU story (on hindsight, as no one died).

miclo18d 09-13-2012 07:51
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Originally Posted by SF_BHT (Post 467313)
Depends on the Scope of the NDA. I have signed some that stated very specific items.


He complemented many but understand that this was taped weeks ago before McRaven, DC, DOD etc started to jump on this.
I commented on that:
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Even if it was all open source it would still depend on what his NDA said, which....we don't know.
My NDA's were general and specific. I know of one in my MPRC file that was a general NDA covering classified information and the other from the 18D course, very specific. I did CSSP back in the day but didn't sign a NDA; I STILL don't talk about that. I did one other course in SF that involved classified information but I didn't sign a NDA specifically for it, not that I would talk about that stuff either as well as many other things that I did or used in Afghanistan whether they are classified or not.

What I do NOT agree with is, an Admiral giving movie writers access to information about the raid and then turning around an condemning someone on the raid that wrote a book about the same information. I see the tentacles of the WH pushing for their version to reign supreme.

Badger52 09-13-2012 08:26
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I see the tentacles of the WH pushing for their version to reign supreme.
Unfortunately that's an approach that has worked on large numbers of people throughout history.

The unnamed SEAL who referred to the VP telling bad jokes "like someone's drunken uncle at Christmas..." is probably waiting to be 'McChrystal'd'.

MtnGoat 09-13-2012 09:16
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What I do NOT agree with is, an Admiral giving movie writers access to information about the raid and then turning around an condemning someone on the raid that wrote a book about the same information. I see the tentacles of the WH pushing for their version to reign supreme.
For all the saw Defense Secretary Leon Panetta appearance on CBS stating the difference is that every statement from the White House in the fence was on approval from the President. The SEAL didn't have any permission. So I take that as no matter if you sign any NDS as long as the President give the okay you can talk about anything to anyone.

http://m.cbsnews.com/fullstory.rbml?...videofeed=null

Video

MR2 09-13-2012 09:32
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...as long as the President give the okay you can talk about anything to anyone.
That pretty much sums it up and it has been that way regardless of which political flavor you ascribe to. Like it or not - life's not fair and in the Service it is even less so. Commander-in-Chief means Commander-in-Chief.

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miclo18d 09-13-2012 18:29
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Tell the truth about what you see and what you do. There is an army depending on us for correct information. You can lie all you please when you tell other folks about the Rangers, but don't never lie to a Ranger or officer.
This was one of Roger's Rangers Rules for Patrolling as I learned them. Come to find out they were fictional from North West Passage. What I understood from this one was that Rangers (SOF) were loyal to each other no matter what, especially when it came to reports. Squad leaders could be fired for giving a false report in Ranger batt when I was there. I grew up in that and have a loyalty to my Ranger and SF brothers...above politics for sure. My family comes first but I have always given Rgrs and SF an equality to my family! I know I could count on any of you guys if I REALLY needed help just as we are in support against the Giduck lawsuit.

If McRaven goes after this guy with anything more than the statements he has put out, then we know that his loyalties aren't necessarily with his brothers. I know that loyalty is a 2 way street but it shouldn't be a 2way KD range! I know that SOF is bigger than any one man but there has to be LOYALTY on both sides of the street and damned be the politicians.

mojaveman 09-14-2012 15:41
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Originally Posted by hoot72 (Post 465952)
Looks like (according to a couple of online news portals) the jihadist have gotten a hold of his photo as well...man, where does this end?
All they had to do was watch 60 Minutes. As I sat in my living room watching him be interviewed in full view by Scott Pelly all I could think of was how easy it now would be to identify and locate both he or his relatives. He's going to have his fame and fortune but is now going to have to look over his shoulder everywhere he goes for the rest of his life.

orion5 09-14-2012 18:43
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All they had to do was watch 60 Minutes. As I sat in my living room watching him be interviewed in full view by Scott Pelly all I could think of was how easy it now would be to identify....
You might have missed it, but at the beginning of the segment Scott Pelley said they spent over 4 hours altering Bissonnette's physical appearance. That's why his face/eyes/mouth did not move quite right when he spoke. They also said they altered his voice.

But I agree with you. Too many people know Bissonnette, and sooner or later a neighbor, ex-girlfriend, high school classmate, disgruntled teammate, someone will out Bissonnette. Hope it was worth it.

Sigaba 09-14-2012 18:46
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All they had to do was watch 60 Minutes. As I sat in my living room watching him be interviewed in full view by Scott Pelly all I could think of was how easy it now would be to identify and locate both he or his relatives. He's going to have his fame and fortune but is now going to have to look over his shoulder everywhere he goes for the rest of his life.
As Mrs. Sharon Rogers could attest.

Skelepede 09-15-2012 13:11
Not to mention that anyone who has ever signed a lease can be found on Spokeo, address, email, phone number.

afchic 09-24-2012 07:09
Memorandum from DOD
 
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I just go this via email this morning.

glebo 09-24-2012 08:36
/\ /\ /\ I suppose we all got it, well DOD affiliated folks anyway....

Shoulda sent something like this to the administration also...ref all the stuff they've been spouting..

Dohhunter 09-24-2012 08:48
I'm glad your government has given you guys permission to purchase the book :rolleyes:


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