that we know of, probably just didn't get caught yet...or turned in...

Being on TM's as we all have (QP's), we know who is, and who isn't every time we deploy...

I seriously doubt this was a "Honey, I only did this once" deal...

You bring up an interesting point and one that I'm grappling with at the moment (I'm not the offender).

I've served with several Soldiers (male and female) that couldnt stick to their vows when OCONUS and for some when outside city limits. Everytime it happens it creates doubt in that person and my trust in them is questioned. The worst interanal conflict is when the offender is an otherwise outstanding Soldier. The conflict comes down to two mutually exclusives trains of thought:

1) If that person's signifigant other cant trust them to uphold the vows they made to them, while looking them in the face in front of family and a representative of God, how am I supposed to trust that when the chips are down that they will do their duty that could cost them their very lives.

or

2) What a grown up does in their bedroom with another consenting adult is no business of mine and has no impact on the mission.


I guess it's obvious that number one is my position, unfortunately in today's Army it seems most leaders are taking view number 2 and that if you dont like it dont let the door hit you on the way out. YMMV.

Any mentoring/discussion on this subject would be much appreciated.

Haven't followed that closely, if that's the case, then that could be his rank and pay.

I never thought of his wife's cut, good point. My comment re: not studying hard and ending up in the military was in regards to an asinine comment made by Kerry awhile back, maybe that should have been in pink. No offense meant to good and honorable soldiers, the dig was made at the general.

That is a very complicated subject. My guys know I didn't condone the actions, but, as you said, who am I to say?? I don't know the personal relationship's with their wives..

All I know is, I knew it, they knew it, and it didn't reflect, as long as it did not interfere with job performance.

I guess, you have to "straddle the fence" per sey when such a subject appears...

I never documented it, or held it against them, but I did lead by example...and did not "endulge"....no matter our OPTEMPO, but to be honest, most places I've been, ahhh noooo!.. Thank goodness I wasn't a 7th GP or 1st GP guy, it would've been much harder...(no pun intended) :eek:

Unfortunately it never seems to stay under the covers and eventually bleeds over from personal time and into work time. Not to mention the effect when the music stops and the deployment ends. In the coed units I have been in the real issues dont even start until you get home, regardless of whether or not it was just a deployment fling. When you've been doing the horizontal mambo with another green suiter, lets see how trusting your SO is when you go to work.

Now, if they were out spreading pollen among the natives that changes the equation for me. Not morally but there is something to be said for not squating where you eat.

Maybe CIF really should issue spouses

I could imagine a "coed" unit, thankfully, never been in one.

My only experience was pldc and it was a nightmare. The soldier who won best soldier was a female who bragged about bEing the s3 air and put herself in every jump so she could get her master blaster sooner. She also bragged that she got pregnant to get out of orders to korea, than found out if she started smoking it would be considered ahigh risk pregnancy, and would only have to work half days.

You just reminded me of an "event" that happened while I was in BNCOC at Bragg. Some of the 82d guys snuck over to the PLDC area while we were doing our FTX and they were "obliged" by a couple of willing female soldiers....


Of course, this was the mid '80's before we had any of these wonderful annual classes, so I bet that wont happen now.....right???


You can't stop it, never happen...

Try a deployment with a 70/30 male female ratio. They were catching people EVERYWHERE. On top of CHUs, in abandoned buildings, in the bunkers (really akward for the couple when we got IDF), in a connex that somehow locked itself, and in vehicles in the motor pool. The guys running the cameras had a highlight reel that they set to wacky sax from the Benny Hill show.

All joking aside, it created real issues with morale and even command authority. I mean, how serious can you take a CPT whose SPC girlfriend is telling everyone he likes to be spanked and called a naughty boy. (They were both sent home, thank god).

Well soon those problems will be at the team level.

Got ya'll beat: IN the waterbuffalo at the ISB in Alexandria, LA as the player-unit was prepping to go into the box at JRTC. Middle of summer; a zillion degrees out; humidity dripping from the air and two people bumping ugly's INSIDE the water buffalo!!! (their ONLY water source)

Of course we had to ensure all the other OC'ds were aware before we alerted the player unit.

Almost as fun as the lovely young lady who dropped a duece in the shower tent at a Hood warfighter because she was too lazy to walk outside and shit in the port-a-potty.

I'm surprised it wasn't on the 1SG's desk... :eek:

Dumpster at Mother Rucker in September. I told the 1SG that they demonstrated some serious motivation and dedication to the task given that the dumpster wasnt empty. He was not amused.

Guys, If the tales told by the SF medics at Ft Sam in the '60's are true, everyone one will have a hard time beating these tales!

:D

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