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CRad 02-24-2012 01:08

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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen (Post 436244)
Now now, Dr.
There is no reason to taunt History majors about their atrophied left inferior parietal and frontal lobes.
:D;)


You can't know where you are going if you don't know where you've been.

Man must know the point from which he started in order to find the goal.

Penn 02-26-2012 19:02

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...-not-absolute/

Just where do you think this leads; does the word theocracy come to mind? This guy insults my intelligence, we are a nation founded on religious freedom as opposed to the religious dictates of a chosen few, or a country like Iran, which, if this religious zealot held a mirror to, would realize. His hypocrisy is laughable.

MTN Medic 02-26-2012 19:19

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Originally Posted by Penn (Post 436825)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...-not-absolute/

Just where do you think this leads; does the word theocracy come to mind? This guy insults my intelligence, we are a nation founded on religious freedom as opposed to the religious dictates of a chosen few, or a country like Iran, which, if this religious zealot held a mirror to, would realize. His hypocrisy is laughable.

And he is a bigot.

ZonieDiver 02-26-2012 19:56

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Originally Posted by MTN Medic (Post 436827)
And he is a bigot.

And he doesn't know when to STFU!

Sweater vests!?! Are you F'ing kidding me?

GratefulCitizen 02-27-2012 10:12

Santorum is playing with fire.
Of course, by that analogy, the president is a pyromaniac.

My main objection is that he's a former senator.
Don't like congress-critters running for president.

Prefer former governors and generals.
Just wish there were a better selection.

Mills 02-27-2012 14:44

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Originally Posted by ZonieDiver (Post 436832)
And he doesn't know when to STFU!

Sweater vests!?! Are you F'ing kidding me?

Agreed. This guy is a moron.

Im so sick of this shit, it can't be compromise...........it has to be all one way or the fucking other. We are in serious trouble until we can put some of these differences aside and meet in the middle with the man who is going to do whats in the best interest of the country.

Maybe we should ditch the two party system.

But hey, thats my .02.........

Jesse Ventura might be bat shit crazy, but he makes a good point.

afchic 02-27-2012 15:47

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Originally Posted by Mills (Post 436956)
Agreed. This guy is a moron.

Im so sick of this shit, it can't be compromise...........it has to be all one way or the fucking other. We are in serious trouble until we can put some of these differences aside and meet in the middle with the man who is going to do whats in the best interest of the country.

Maybe we should ditch the two party system.

But hey, thats my .02.........

Jesse Ventura might be bat shit crazy, but he makes a good point.

But what can be considered the middle?

Since the chosen one has taken office, we have moved so far to the left, that the middle we once knew is not the middle anymore. If we bring in a moderate to replace him, we still find ourselves to the left of center.

IMHO the only way to bring us back to the "middle" is to bring in a true conservative that will move us back towards the right of the spectrum. We have a whole hell of a lot of ground to reclaim in order to just go back to the status quo. Even if you brought in the most conservative person you can think of, it is going to take a lot of time and effort to just break even, let alone bring this country's policies and laws to right of center.

Jst my .02 worth.

Dad 02-27-2012 16:54

Define "Conservative"
 
In todays GOP neither Reagan nor Goldwater could find a place. The former would be too liberal and the latter too Godless. The Republicans are letting the "crazier than bat shit" crowd run the discussion. I am with Mickey Edwards, when did religion become a discussion of ones conservativeness? A lawyer friend of mine went to a meeting of the Federalist Society. All that was discussed was a religious agenda and how to inject it into government.. Rick Santorum and his crowd don't stand for religious freedom--they stand for dictating their beliefs to the rest of the country. I personally will take a slightly left of center president over a fucking lunatic any day.

Mills 02-27-2012 19:31

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 436980)
In todays GOP neither Reagan nor Goldwater could find a place. The former would be too liberal and the latter too Godless. The Republicans are letting the "crazier than bat shit" crowd run the discussion. I am with Mickey Edwards, when did religion become a discussion of ones conservativeness? A lawyer friend of mine went to a meeting of the Federalist Society. All that was discussed was a religious agenda and how to inject it into government.. Rick Santorum and his crowd don't stand for religious freedom--they stand for dictating their beliefs to the rest of the country. I personally will take a slightly left of center president over a fucking lunatic any day.

I agree. Seems like the "true conservatives" of today are more hell bent on telling everyone else how their beliefs are right, and your wrong.

I am sick of the fucking pro-choice, pro-life bullshit. This is one of the main talking points of all candidates in the past 12 years. Im sick of it, I don't care what you do with your body.........Who am I to judge. It's up to you to make good with the man when the time comes.

Don't even get me started on the radical southern baptists that feel that we should burn every Koran and convert them all to Christianity..........How do you think they would react if the Muslims were over here trying to establish a 51st state and they burned a bible?

I will tell you....The exact same thing that is happening now in Afghanistan.

Sparty On 02-27-2012 21:27

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Originally Posted by cjwils3 (Post 435617)
I've never really agreed with the idea of open primaries as voting from a pool candidates who all are of the same party should naturally be reserved for voters affiliated with that party.

I like being able to vote for candidates whose stances I agree with regardless of their party affiliation.

Voting tomorrow will be a very difficult choice for me -- I probably won't make up my mind until I'm in the booth.

Kyobanim 02-27-2012 21:53

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Originally Posted by Mills (Post 437002)
I agree. Seems like the "true conservatives" of today are more hell bent on telling everyone else how their beliefs are right, and your wrong.

I am sick of the fucking pro-choice, pro-life bullshit. This is one of the main talking points of all candidates in the past 12 years. Im sick of it, I don't care what you do with your body.........Who am I to judge. It's up to you to make good with the man when the time comes.

Don't even get me started on the radical southern baptists that feel that we should burn every Koran and convert them all to Christianity..........How do you think they would react if the Muslims were over here trying to establish a 51st state and they burned a bible?

I will tell you....The exact same thing that is happening now in Afghanistan.

I agree with you 100%. If you can't talk to the other side and make compromises you end up with the same pile of shit we have in congress and the WH now. Nothing gets done.

Sigaba 02-27-2012 22:20

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Originally Posted by Kyobanim (Post 437031)
I agree with you 100%. If you can't talk to the other side and make compromises you end up with the same pile of shit we have in congress and the WH now. Nothing gets done.

Agreed.

MOO, incumbents across the political spectrum need to do a better job at managing the expectations of their constituents. The fourth estate needs to stop treating political reporting like celebrity gossip. Voters would benefit from breaking bread with their neighbors who have different views.

Sigaba 02-27-2012 23:56

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Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc (Post 436176)
I would argue yes - no many how many times prominent or large numbers of people have said otherwise (and had it recorded for the ages), 2 plus 2 will always equal 4 and I can readily prove it.

I have yet to see anything that trumps arithmetic when it comes down to facts. I had a high school teacher that referred to math as "the only perfect science".

Doc--

You are right, I did use "arithmetic," not "mathematics," intentionally.

IME, spending a couple of days studying a decently sized parking system can test the notion that "two plus two will always equal four."

craigepo 02-28-2012 00:06

Friends,
1. The "wall of separation between church and state" is not to be found within the Constitution or any of the Amendments thereto. This term was coined by President Thomas Jefferson in a letter he wrote to a group called the Danbury Baptists.

2. The 1st Amendment says what it says. It says that Congress can't establish a religion, and that Congress can't prohibit a person's free exercise of religion. The 1st Amendment was ratified by the States. Jefferson's statement is not part of anything that has been ratified by Congress.

3. Never, ever, ever has this been a country in which the "separation of church and state" has been absolute. For example, research how long there has been opening prayers at Congress. Read some of the inscriptions on some of the magnificent edifices in Washington D.C. How could we have military chaplains if such an absolute wall existed?

4. I am very leery of forming an opinion based upon one or two sentences snipped from a speech. There is an old saying, "A text without a context is a pretext". While I am sure that Senator Santorum has many faults, I doubt that either bigotry or a desire to establish a theocracy are one of them.

5. I agree, in theory, that compromise is necessary in government. I believe it was Reagan who said that he was happy to get 80%, and further that just because someone disagrees with me does not make him my enemy. However, we now have an administration that has run up the most gigantic deficit in the history of this nation. Further, it is a mathematical certainty that entitlement spending will bankrupt Social Security and Medicare unless drastic measures are taken. We have over one Trillion barrels of oil available to be drilled in the U.S., and this President has refused to open drilling and further refused to allow the Keystone Pipeline. What compromises do you wish to make?

6. Clearly, the ability to say "no" is a gift that should be held by any politician. However, how exactly should incumbents "manage the expectations of their constituents"? Does this not run contrary to the idea of a representative republican democracy?


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