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Retired W4 01-22-2008 14:35

Smart People
 
Before my former boss passed away, the company he started in the 80's had exceeded $2 billion in annual revenues. He started with a leveraged buy out, and within a few years the company was in the black (and he owned most of the company). This guy was a chemical engineer with business savvy that was unbelievable. He sat on the boards of several other large corporations because he was so....SMART. There are many millionaires in the Atlanta area today because they worked for or with him back in the day.

He was a self made man, who enlisted in the Army during the Korean War (ASA). I can't say as much for Lee Iacocca, though.

I would say this country is a better place because of people like my former boss. Those who would complain about his financial success and bemoan their own failings can crawl back under their rock.

mugwump 01-22-2008 16:09

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Originally Posted by warrottjr (Post 196580)
Are you an anarchist?

Are you a troll?

I'll bet that H1Bs have created more jobs in this country -- by an order of magnitude -- than they've 'taken' from citizens. "Brain drain" from H1Bs' countries of origin is correctly perceived as a huge strategic loss. The Indian/Chinese/European governments are doing everything they can to keep these guys home or get them to come back. If we let demagogues strip this resource out of our universities and businesses, we will be much the poorer for it.

I hire American whenever I can -- and I had to hire that way until recently when I got out of all of my government contracts -- but I'll hire whomever it takes to get the job done. And when that guy I hire was sharing a textbook with four other students and his turn was from 0100 to 0500 each night, he tends to be focused let's say. And he gets every dime that his American co-workers receive.

warrottjr 01-22-2008 17:47

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Originally Posted by echoes (Post 196588)
warrottjr,

The above post may help to clear the clouds away for you, and enlighten the point I was attempting to make.

My .02,
Holly

That may work well for Hollywood movie stars and Fortune 500 CEO's, but salaries, benefits and perks for the majority of us are not as negotiable.

Surf n Turf 01-22-2008 17:50

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Originally Posted by warrottjr;196563 Numerous academic and INS studies have shown that H-1B workers typically earn between 20 and 33% less even though they're supposed to receive the prevailing wage.[/B
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And that's where a lot of the good jobs in the U.S. are going, due to a lack of government enforcement of regulations that are supposed to keep the domestic job market on a level playing field.

Warrottjr,
Before I retired I managed a large department for one of the companies on your H1B list.
Let me clarify several things to you:
1. Compensation was based on experience, education, and competence. H1B employees were compensated at the same level as their American Counterparts.
2. H1B employees (to a person) had an excellent work ethic, unlike some of their native counterparts. They would go the extra mile, and do what needed to get the job done.
3. When I left, a former H1B holder, who now has his greencard was my replacement, and I recommended him for the job --- because he earned it !!!
Business is not the Red Cross – Business strategy is to maximize profit and grow to satisfy their shareholders (who own the corporation).
I have heard ALL the arguments against H1B workers, but the fact is WE NEED THEM, as the American Education System does not turn out enough Engineers, Scientists, DBA’s or “Hands-on” Systems professionals (to name a few or our internal shortcomings).
Have a nice day

SnT

echoes 01-22-2008 18:39

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Originally Posted by warrottjr (Post 196619)
That may work well for Hollywood movie stars and Fortune 500 CEO's, but salaries, benefits and perks for the majority of us are not as negotiable.

I am just a guest on this site, so I will not get into a verbal contest with you.

My applologies to the QP's, for this post being off topic.

Holly

Guy 01-22-2008 18:41

Huh????
 
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Originally Posted by warrottjr (Post 196619)
That may work well for Hollywood movie stars and Fortune 500 CEO's, but salaries, benefits and perks for the majority of us are not as negotiable.

:confused::munchin

Stay safe.

lksteve 01-22-2008 19:04

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Originally Posted by warrottjr (Post 196619)
That may work well for Hollywood movie stars and Fortune 500 CEO's, but salaries, benefits and perks for the majority of us are not as negotiable.

Why not? I have asked for more dead presidents and when the powers that be said "no", I went somewhere else...of course, perhaps it is because I've invested time and effort into achieving licenses in my professions and I am pretty good at what I do...

brownapple 01-22-2008 19:17

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Originally Posted by warrottjr (Post 196580)
Are you an anarchist?

Nope. libertarian.

brownapple 01-22-2008 19:19

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Originally Posted by warrottjr (Post 196619)
That may work well for Hollywood movie stars and Fortune 500 CEO's, but salaries, benefits and perks for the majority of us are not as negotiable.

Bullshit. In the private sector, everything is negotiable. If you are smart enough to do so.

echoes 01-22-2008 19:28

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Originally Posted by Greenhat (Post 196640)
Bullshit. In the private sector, everything is negotiable. If you are smart enough to do so.

GH,

Do not believe it could be better stated, Sir!

warrottjr 01-22-2008 19:42

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Originally Posted by Greenhat (Post 196640)
Bullshit. In the private sector, everything is negotiable. If you are smart enough to do so.

The vast majority of compensation packages in the private sector are determined by management policy, except for collective bargaining agreements.

Roguish Lawyer 01-22-2008 20:04

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Originally Posted by warrottjr (Post 196648)
The vast majority of compensation packages in the private sector are determined by management policy, except for collective bargaining agreements.

LOL, so compensation packages are determined solely by demand, and not by supply, eh? And only on a company-by-company basis?

Son, I am quite curious what you are presently doing for a living, and how you obtained your current employment. Do tell, please. :munchin

echoes 01-22-2008 20:07

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Originally Posted by warrottjr (Post 196648)
The vast majority of compensation packages in the private sector are determined by management policy, except for collective bargaining agreements.

GreenHat is 100% correct...The time is now to listen and learn...:lifter

brownapple 01-22-2008 20:12

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Originally Posted by warrottjr (Post 196648)
The vast majority of compensation packages in the private sector are determined by management policy, except for collective bargaining agreements.

LMAO

What do you do? Besides whine?

warrottjr 01-22-2008 21:09

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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer (Post 196655)
LOL, so compensation packages are determined solely by demand, and not by supply, eh? And only on a company-by-company basis?

Pretty much, for the most part.


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