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jatx 01-07-2008 12:45

Rudy looked very tired to me, and his answers were uninspired. His claim that Mayor of NYC is the "second hardest job in the United States" made me chuckle.

I agree that FT was a bit too passive.

I remain impressed by Huckabee's ability to seem out of his depth, regardless of the setting. This is perhaps his only exceptional quality.

McCain was clearly enjoying himself and his time in New Hampshire, which has been good to him in the past. He should try not to move his arms on camera, because his stiffness there makes him look old.

While I am not a huge fan of Romney, he was clearly the winner of the debate. He is extremely articulate and very compelling when speaking on issues of business and the economy. Especially when compared to Huckabee, whose participation in the economy seems to be limited to the checkout line at the market. This may be enough to give him the edge, since voters seem to have a hard time differentiating between the candidates on the basis of foreign policy.

Undisputed4 01-07-2008 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 194426)
Maybe Americans (even white ones) aren't as racist as some would have you believe?

Obama is no Bobby Kennedy.

TR


I agree. It seems to me that my generation doesnt give a crap about race. IDK about other places in the USA but here there seems to be no racism.

McCain missed a chance at the debates last night where he could of crushed Romney. Mitt Romney said something along the lines that the next President would need courage under fire, McCain should of jumped in and immediately said I am the only one here who has been under fire. Then Romney said Governors have more leaderships then Senators, McCain mentioned his Navy career, but he didnt drive it home. He should of went along the lines that I have made decisions with people lives, and I was an Officer and leader in the greatest Navy in the world. Along with the fact of his family's history of leadership. And reminded Romney more that the last two Presidents have been Governors, he mentioned it but didnt drive it home.

If McCain gets the nomintation of his party, he needs to use his military record as his trump card against the democrats on the Iraq issue. He was spot on from the beginning we didnt have enough troops in Iraq. If the President would of went with want McCain said, Iraq would be less of an issue right now.

I understand that McCain doesnt like to talk about his time in Vietnam, but he could use it by saying, I am fighter and will never quit. He also gets alot of respect for refusing to talk about his son in the USMC, rumor is he is in Iraq.

Does anyone else think Romney comes off as an arrogant guy? The way he smirks at the debates rubs me the wrong way.

Thompson also seems to be aligning with McCain at the debates.

Jack Moroney (RIP) 01-07-2008 20:02

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Originally Posted by Undisputed4 (Post 194677)
He should of went along the lines that I have made decisions with people lives, and I was an Officer and leader in the greatest Navy in the world. .

Yeah, and then he could have added that he has done everything he can to ignore the folks we left behind in VN. Read an Enormous Crime and then tell me what kind of a commander in chief leaves men behind. Officer is a title, leader is a skill developed and a recognition bestowed by those led upon those that would lead! In McCain's case, one out of three is not good enough for me-but then maybe I expect too much from those in whose hands I would place the lives of those that wear our country's uniform.

Snaquebite 01-07-2008 20:37

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Yeah, and then he could have added that he has done everything he can to ignore the folks we left behind in VN. Read an Enormous Crime and then tell me what kind of a commander in chief leaves men behind. Officer is a title, leader is a skill developed and a recognition bestowed by those led upon those that would lead! In McCain's case, one out of three is not good enough for me-but then maybe I expect too much from those in whose hands I would place the lives of those that wear our country's uniform.
Thank you Sir!

I don't trust the man. +10

He is not historically supportive of the military and his voting record shows it.

10/01/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
02/02/2006 Tax Rate Extension Amendment N
11/17/2005 Additional Funding For Veterans Amendment N
10/05/2005 Health Care for Veterans Amendment N

More here:
http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=53270

brownapple 01-08-2008 03:51

I agree with the Colonel and Snaquebite. McCain made his political career on his military time and then proceeded to join with John Kerry and turn his back on those left behind in SE Asia.

JCasp 01-08-2008 06:37

This was sent to me on MSN by a friend earlier, a man at a Clinton rally in NH yelling "iron my shirt." At first glance I just got a light laugh out of it, then it occurred to me how staged this appears to really be. A man holding up a sign saying "Iron my shirt" yelling the phrase as well right before Hillary gets into the portion of her speech about breaking down the barriers of sexism and rallying up cheers from all the women in the audience.

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/25784.html

Would it not be beyond her campaign staff to organize something like this? Again, to be fair I don't mean Hillary alone, but political campaigns in general? How does one get into a Hillary rally through the security carrying that sign in the first place?

Pete 01-08-2008 06:54

"Shock Jocks"
 
It appears they were low level and low talent "shock jocks" from a Boston Radio Station.

While one "claimed" to be a Republican he supported "La Raza" at either his myspace site or a sticker on his bag. Not too many Republicans into La Raza.

Staged or stunt, but not real.

Guy 01-08-2008 07:58

Interesting times now....
 
1. Obama & Edwards seem to be making a "joint" effort against Hillary.

2. I'm waiting for Colin Powell to chime in....:munchin

Stay safe.

Undisputed4 01-08-2008 15:41

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Originally Posted by Jack Moroney (Post 194706)
Yeah, and then he could have added that he has done everything he can to ignore the folks we left behind in VN. Read an Enormous Crime and then tell me what kind of a commander in chief leaves men behind. Officer is a title, leader is a skill developed and a recognition bestowed by those led upon those that would lead! In McCain's case, one out of three is not good enough for me-but then maybe I expect too much from those in whose hands I would place the lives of those that wear our country's uniform.

While that may or may not be true, the average voter doesnt know anything about that. Its all about titles and common knowledge when it comes to prior experiences. The issue of POW's being left behind bothers me alot. What ever happened to that guy who shouted off on TV of how he was going to get the POW's? Also if you could give me the general points of the book, I would appreciate it.

Another reason I think that McCain doesnt do better is that the Vietnam War was so long ago. While the voters will give points for prior service, it wasnt a highly popular war. If it would of been a "succesful war", IMO he would be doing much better.

Snaquebite 01-08-2008 15:46

Quote:

2. I'm waiting for Colin Powell to chime in
I read somewhere today that he already has....for Obama

Jack Moroney (RIP) 01-08-2008 16:04

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Originally Posted by Undisputed4 (Post 194846)
While that may or may not be true,

Okay college boy, while you may feel that it is in your academic interest to question the integrity of your liberal college professors it really makes me smile to think you might have any basis to question mine. I do not write a precis for college kids, nor to I suffer fools lightly.

Guy 01-08-2008 17:03

Yep...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaquebite (Post 194847)
I read somewhere today that he already has....for Obama

Quote:

Colin Powell pleased by Barack Obama's success
17 hours ago

CONCORD, New Hampshire (AFP) — Former US secretary of state Colin Powell said Monday he is pleased by African-American White House hopeful Barack Obama's success in the early presidential nominating contests.

On the eve of the crucial New Hampshire polls to nominate a Democratic and Republican candidate, Powell told public television PBS he is "taking joy" in success of the Illinois senator, who won the Democratic vote in last week's key first nominating contest in Iowa.

Powell also urged Americans to "enjoy this moment where a person like Barack Obama can knock down all of these old barriers that people thought existed with respect to the opportunities that are available to African-Americans."

Powell, who has declined to mount his own presidential bid despite being the first African-American to serve as national security advisor, secretary of state and chairman of the joint chiefs, said race should not be Obama's defining characteristic.

"This argument about him not being black enough, that?s just absolute nonsense," Powell said in excerpts of the interview released by PBS.

"He is putting himself forward not as a black man but as an American man who wants to be president of the United States of America. We should see Barack as a candidate for president who happens to be black, and not a black candidate for president."

Obama, a 46-year-old senator for the state of Illinois, is the son of a white American mother and Kenyan father. He has been endorsed by talk show superstar Oprah Winfrey, while civil rights leader John Lewis has expressed his support for Obama's Democratic rival, former first lady Hillary Clinton.
:munchin

Stay safe.

Shar 01-08-2008 18:34

Colin Powell and Obama
 
Maybe I'm just holding out a little too much hope here, but I don't read that article as saying Powell is endorsing Obama as much as him saying he's proud of what he's accomplished as a black man. No?

I guess I could say the same thing about Hilary - I could be proud of her breaking down barriers for woman. Except that most people don't really see her as much more than a cyborg and Elizabeth Dole did it eight years ago. My how time flies.

Edited to add:
I just looked this up because I wondered who else was out there and I was stunned to find out that Hilary isn't nearly the revolutionary the media and she thinks she is (except for the wife of the ex-President part... and well even then who doesn't think she is kind of channeling Eleanor Roosevelt?). I'm only listing these two because they made it as far as the convention and got a fair number of delegates. There are actually quite a few other woman out there of the Carol Moseley Braun (who was black - SHOCKING) variety. From http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/factoidarchive.html

Sen. Margaret Chase Smith (ME) became the first woman to have her name placed in nomination for president at a major party convention when Sen. George Aiken nominated her at the 1964 Republican national convention. Smith – also the first woman to serve in both the House and Senate – had campaigned briefly for the post when the Senate was not in session.

In 1972, Rep. Shirley Chisholm (D-NY) ran for president in the Democratic primaries. At the party's national convention, she won 151.25 delegate votes before Sen. George McGovern clinched the nomination.

I guess I'm just saying that I agree with General Powell. We should see the candidate first as a candidate who happens to be something - not the other way around.

brownapple 01-08-2008 20:12

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Originally Posted by Undisputed4 (Post 194846)
While that may or may not be true,


Back when you were a toddler, John Kerry and John McCain were the key members of a Senate committee that investigated the POW/MIA issue. The report is available. They found that it was likely that POWs were left in SE Asia. And they recommended forgetting about them.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/pow/senate...igation_S.html

If I was you? I wouldn't doubt one fucking thing the Colonel says. Consider that friendly advice.


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