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MTN Medic 05-08-2011 15:46

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Originally Posted by PSM (Post 391351)
You do know that those were Municipal buses, don't you. Segregation WAS the law.

Pat

Pray tell, why does it matter who owned the busses or whether it was the law. We can all agree (hopefully) that the bus driver was in the wrong clear and simple; just as this pilot was.

Bigotry is bigotry; even if it is thinly veiled as a civility law.

We also wrongfully accused and imprisoned 'communists,' was this right? NOPE.

History has not looked favorably at bigots despite the popularity of their positions during said actions.

Pete 05-08-2011 15:56

Why is it a bad thing
 
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Originally Posted by MTN Medic (Post 391357)
................The pilots actions were not in line with the law, modern civility nor the tenants of our great nation. Faux pas for sure, which assuredly gave our enemies political ammunition.

Why is it a bad thing? Tell me again why it is bad to kick a Muslim off a plane but it is OK to bar a Marine from entering a place of entertainment?

Tell me again why it is bad to discriminate against people but OK to give others special breaks because of who or what they are.

Hell, even Obama said my kind had to ride in the back of the bus.

s 05-08-2011 16:12

They're the exact same thing in my book. It's all a matter of perspective.
We could debate for hours, find a valid argument and counter it with an equally valid point.
I miei due centesimi.

MTN Medic 05-08-2011 16:13

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 391363)
Why is it a bad thing? Tell me again why it is bad to kick a Muslim off a plane but it is OK to bar a Marine from entering a place of entertainment?

Tell me again why it is bad to discriminate against people but OK to give others special breaks because of who or what they are.

Hell, even Obama said my kind had to ride in the back of the bus.

I never said anything about barring a Marine in an establishment. Could you tell me where I said or implied this? It is not OK to discriminate against anyone as far as I am concerned.

PSM 05-08-2011 16:22

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Originally Posted by MTN Medic (Post 391358)
Pray tell, why does it matter who owned the busses or whether it was the law. We can all agree (hopefully) that the bus driver was in the wrong clear and simple; just as this pilot was.

Bigotry is bigotry; even if it is thinly veiled as a civility law.

We also wrongfully accused and imprisoned 'communists,' was this right? NOPE.

History has not looked favorably at bigots despite the popularity of their positions during said actions.

Because those laws were similar, in ways, to Shaira law, and we did away with them.

Aviation laws have been built on the maritime laws…the Captain is the law. A ship at sea has some recourse when in trouble; an aircraft at 40,000 feet can’t call the United States Sky Guard. It’s all on his shoulders. We weren’t there and don’t have his facts. He may have been wrong, or not. It was still his decision.

Pat

MTN Medic 05-08-2011 16:27

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Originally Posted by PSM (Post 391370)
Because those laws were similar, in ways, to Shaira law, and we did away with them.

Aviation laws have been built on the maritime laws…the Captain is the law. A ship at sea has some recourse when in trouble; an aircraft at 40,000 feet can’t call the United States Sky Guard. It’s all on his shoulders. We weren’t there and don’t have his facts. He may have been wrong, or not. It was still his decision.

Pat

Right, so we are against Sharia law, laws which are like Sharia law; with the caveat that said laws are not enforced in either maritime or airspace environments? Huh, Fu@# it, hang the brown guys high.

In all honesty, this is just an excuse and it is a thinly veiled one at that.

Pete 05-08-2011 16:29

Fight the just fight
 
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Originally Posted by MTN Medic (Post 391368)
I never said anything about barring a Marine in an establishment. Could you tell me where I said or implied this? It is not OK to discriminate against anyone as far as I am concerned.

No, you didn't say it I did. But you're the one going on and on about how bad it was to throw the Muslim off the plane. I gave examples where a person's dress or occupation will get them thrown out of places in this country.

And then you brought up the law - which I showed was flawed because it only applied to protected people in this country - not everybody.

Am I a bigot because I don't like people who call me an Infidel? To all Muslims I'm an Infidel. Does that make all of them Bigots? Are all Muslims Bigots? Or is it OK for Muslims to call me an Infidel because I am an Infidel? Hm, thats an interesting thought to chew on for a while.

MTN Medic 05-08-2011 16:34

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 391372)
No, you didn't say it I did. But you're the one going on and on about how bad it was to throw the Muslim off the plane. I gave examples where a person's dress or occupation will get them thrown out of places in this country.

And then you brought up the law - which I showed was flawed because it only applied to protected people in this country - not everybody.

Am I a bigot because I don't like people who call me an Infidel? To all Muslims I'm an Infidel. Does that make all of them Bigots? Are all Muslims Bigots? Or is it OK for Muslims to call me an Infidel because I am an Infidel? Hm, thats an interesting thought to chew on for a while.

Infidel simply means "one without faith," so, it is not bigotry at all.

Just because a law is flawed doesn't mean we disregard the law all together.

Pete 05-08-2011 16:40

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Originally Posted by MTN Medic (Post 391373)
Infidel simply means "one without faith," so, it is not bigotry at all. ..........................

Well, at least it's good to know Christians, Jews, Hindus et al ain't got no faith - at least to the followers of the Moon God.

So I ask you again - am I a bigot because I don't like people who call me an Infidel?

Can you define Bigot? I would think a Muslim who considers all not of his faith to be "one without faith" to be more of a Bigot. Do you consider Muslims to be Bigots?

The Reaper 05-08-2011 16:50

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Originally Posted by MTN Medic (Post 391368)
I never said anything about barring a Marine in an establishment. Could you tell me where I said or implied this? It is not OK to discriminate against anyone as far as I am concerned.

So you support the right of the Westboro Church to protest at service members' funerals?

TR

MTN Medic 05-08-2011 16:52

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 391376)
Well, at least it's good to know Christians, Jews, Hindus et al ain't got no faith - at least to the followers of the Moon God.

So I ask you again - am I a bigot because I don't like people who call me an Infidel?

Can you define Bigot? I would think a Muslim who considers all not of his faith to be "one without faith" to be more of a Bigot. Do you consider Muslims to be Bigots?

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big·ot   [big-uht] –noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
It is your prerogative not to like anyone or any group of people. I think it is an over simplification to say that because they call you an infidel, they mean you literally have NO faith.

They believe that faith in Allah is the only faith and therefore unbelievers are without. If you choose mire the topic in semantics, you can call them bigots. It is just the word they used. The Jews have them, as did early Christians.

I do not consider all Muslims to be bigots. I have met several that were very tolerant of those with a differing faith and abhorred the violence perpetrated in the name of Allah.

I DO believe that there are Muslim bigots, just the same as I believe that there are Christian bigots. Christians had their time when they acted precisely as the radical Muslims do now under the guise of religion.

Christianity has progressed and hopefully, Islam can round up its radicals and follow suit.

MTN Medic 05-08-2011 16:55

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 391378)
So you support the right of the Westboro Church to protest at service members' funerals?

TR

I support their right to the freedom of speech; though I feel their methods and message are vile.

I put my team sergeant in the ground not long ago with the thought that these guys might come to his funeral and had to ask myself what I would do if they came.

As soldiers, we have taken an oath to defend the constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic. It would be hypocritical for me to infringe on their right to say what they want even if their methods and message make me physically ill.

Pete 05-08-2011 17:09

You have got to be kidding
 
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Originally Posted by MTN Medic (Post 391379)
.........They believe that faith in Allah is the only faith and therefore unbelievers are without. If you choose mire the topic in semantics, you can call them bigots. It is just the word they used. The Jews have them, as did early Christians.

I do not consider all Muslims to be bigots. I have met several that were very tolerant of those with a differing faith and abhorred the violence perpetrated in the name of Allah. .............t.

You have got to be kidding. You need to study up on the peaceful religion of Islam some more.

The Muslims you are refering to are not good Muslims but apostates. And I ain't the one saying it. Leading Muslim clerics - clerics like the ones thrown off the plane - have said there are no moderate Muslims - just apostates and they will be taken care of in due time. This "pick and choose the better parts of the Koran" does not fly with "Good" Muslims.

There can be no reformation in Islam because the Koran is the word of God and is perfect. There will be no rewrite or even relook of the Koran.

Go to a Muslim forum and state that they need to rewrite the Koran or ignore the more violent parts in the later section to make it more peaceful.

Did you ever go to Ruth's blog and see how she got hammered by Muslims for her "pick and choose" remarks?

So again watch the elections in Egypt, see what happens in the rest of northern Africa and keep your eye on Turkey. Islam is on the march.

MTN Medic 05-08-2011 17:18

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Leading Muslim clerics - clerics like the ones thrown off the plane - have said there are no moderate Muslims - just apostates and they will be taken care of in due time. This "pick and choose the better parts of the Koran" does not fly with "Good" Muslims.
This seems very similar to Catholicism. I have read the Koran. It is as up for interpretation as the Bible is. The Crusaders manipulated the Bible in much the same way as the Jihadis of today manipulate the Koran. History repeats itself yet again.

It seems ironic that you dismiss non-militants as not being real Muslims. This is like some warped kind of statistics where you ignore a data set to support your thesis.

You will say that it is not you that calls moderate muslims "fake muslims," that it is the clerics, but they are playing the same game with semantics and statistics.


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