Sounds kind of like CPR training for laymen. You know they'll probably screw it up, but at least try to get them to do something useful when an emergency happens. Better than nothing.

I like the Salvator, personally.

TR's home sounds like a cache of great gear and beer, among other things.

I have the video of the original OSS movie made at the training ground. Quite a good piece on point shooting. Not like layman CPR at all.

RL, I've seen some of the training films from the OSS days because Col. Applegate told me to sit down and pay attention while he played them The one that sticks in my mind is that of point shooting being done with trainee using a .45 auto firing tracers. This was impressive because while the shooter was moving and engaging targets as directed by the instructor, we can watch the tracers bore into target after target at a good rate of speed. This was not beginning shooting.

I look at the WW2 era as an important step on the evolutionary chart of shooting. Knifemakers are about third from the left on the other one.

Actually, that's where I get my fix nowadays. :) Sorry, I admit that I'm a bit of a beer snob, but after living a while where they've been brewing for over a thousand years and have it pretty much figured out, I got spoiled.

I just put two seperate pieces of information together. One of the things Rex Applegate taught was to face the target (threat) head on and look where you want the bullet to go, raise the handgun to eye level and shoot when the gun reaches the target. I just remembered a statistic that my longtime knifemaking student and friend quoted me (long time cop, swat team leader, tested gunfighter), He said that in close up shoots that the cops often missed while bad guys shot the cop in the face because that's exactly where they were looking. The advantage of using police statistics is that No. 1, they get in shooting situations. No. 2 the incident reports are public knowledge which means we can study and quote them. QUESTION- When you guys are trained well enough to be good at flash front sight, doesn't it just become shoot where you look?

Interesting and very relevant I think. We have to be careful, as we're getting close to the line - but you see this very often in students. When they first get over the fear of the weapon and actually start shooting, they will often hit the part of the anatomy that they were instructed to check first. In addition, there are numerous stories of weapons being shot out of the bad guy's grasp. This isn't good shooting, its shooting where you are looking and being more than a little lucky.

I wasn't trying to in any way demean Flash Front Sight. I'd just had a thought...

LOL - and a good thought it was. I mean the OPSEC line.

Got it.

I dont think thats good enough for offensive combat.

To elaborate on what NDD has already said, we are of course trained to check the hands prior to engaging, but if one is fixed there and not trained to focus on the front sight on the desired point of impact, he will shoot the bad guys hands.......thus leaving a still very alive threat in the fight.

From my own experience I can say that when I've engaged targets, and dont physically remember seeing front sight, my shots are not where I would have liked them to be. So in every AAR of a shoothouse, stress fire, or Critical Task Evaluation, I always inquire about what the shooter remembers seeing. Most of the time, they dont remember the front sight, (as is the case with most real police gunfights). To me this means we spend more time on the range workign fundamentals...

just my .02

mp

You won't.

There lies a world of difference between defensive and offensive shooting. The same goes for the mindset involved.

Excellent post! I even chant it under my breath when I'm working. Little whisper to the CQB Dieties - "Front site, front site, front site - BLAM!" LOL. Good rythm aid for a white boy that can't salsa too.:D