New PIX
 

Its been more than a week no takers. New PIX too.

MG - I'm surprised none of the sluggos have taken you up on this one. IIRC it's still pretty common and the Bravos actually get to shoot them. (Everybody better know how - the instructions are printed on the launcher!) :munchin Peregrino

:munchin :D :munchin

Roger that.

I'm waiting for the Charlies as well.

If they don't hurry up, I am going to pass Ernie some names for remedial training.:D

TR

OK, First off, I am WAY OUTTA MY LANE HERE!!! I definately fit the Wannabe in the thread title, but here goes:

1: the projectile in the second pic appears to be an 84 mm HEAT round

2:It's UXO, I have no formal instruction, but that means its at least a bit dangerous.

3:AT4 single shot anti-tank weapon

4:appears to be a Point initiating, Base detonating fuze similar to the RPG series of anti-tank weapons. Also, I believe this weapon has a fuze more sensitive to shallow impacts than previous designs

5:I honestly don't know what BIP means

If I am way out of line here, Someone please delete this post and in any event, have a good one.

Good times,
Blake

:confused:

18C's and Wannabes, Name This Item
 

Damn all this waiting in line!! I am going to call Ernie.

BMT

I couldn't ID the exact rocket based on memory or looking through the one IED book I received in the course. Looking at the picture I would expect it to have venturis out the rear of the motor if it was a rocket but I don't remember the backside of a AT4 outside of its tube. The picture here is consistent with a picture of a AT4 rocket that I googled. The ejecting fins would also be another indication that is most likely a rocket.

Based on this I would say it would be a Projected munition, Rocket, HEAT. What appears to be a break in the major diameter would indicate a HEAT round.

Fuzing would be PIBD/Lucky.

Safety hazards: Due to the Lucky crystal take into consideration Static and EMR when approaching it. Do not a cast a shadow over the rocket to prevent a possible temperature changed detected by the Lucky crystal. Do not move in front of the rocket due to its HEAT round/shaped charge. Do not move it do the sensitive lucky crystal. HE/FRAG/JET/EJECTION would also apply.

BIP: Because its a HEAT round I would want to take out both the shaped charge and the motor itself. I would prime a block of C4 and place it where the break in the major diameter would cut the C4 block in half. The C4 block would not be touching the rocket but it would be close as possible to ensure destruction of the rocket.


I could really use that refresher course. With Korean out of the way I'll be hitting all my books/notes that I have to get myself back up to speed at least reading wise. Haven't seen or touched a piece of demo for about 9 months.

You know guys, when it takes an 18A to tell you that is an AT-4 projectile, I have to wonder about the quality of both the 18B and 18C training. The 84mm cartridge consists of a fin assembly with tracer element; a point-initiating, base-detonating, piezoelectric fuze; a warhead body with liner; and a precision-shaped explosive charge.

We were teaching UXO back in the late 80s. You need to pay attention to this particularly given the requirements we have these days for UXO and for munitions destruction. It could save your life to know these things.

This is definitely going to be brought up with Ernie in the very near future.

Good work gtcrispy. Your description, handling procedures and BIP sound good to me. You can be the Junior Engineer Sergeant on my team, anytime. The rest of you guys, drop and start pushing.

TR

x2 - Though you might cut Air.177 some slack. He did ID it and he was honest about the "out of my lane" part. Of course the sledgehammer hints might have helped. :p Peregrino

BIP = Blow In Place

Tallyho P, will add that one to my list of Acronyms to know.

AM's training materials are slightly out of date as you may imagine, I believe we are up to "Black Powder and Gun Cotton and their place on the modern Battlefield":D

Roger that TR, Knockin em out.

Good times,
Blake

Blake:

You are not on the PU demonstration team, your guess was pretty good, but are not a member of the target audience questioned.

Peregrino was right, I should have given you due credit, especially as a young civilian taking a shot.

TR

About Time
 

Blake - Credit is very well do -like TR said especially for a civilian with no formal training. ( I'm geussing) thats some good Googling or ASK or whichever search engine you used. :rolleyes:

gtcrispy - Good job on your add ons. Your Safety hazards were especially well stated. Thats the first thing you start to forget. On your BIP -What is the method or better how. Good job on not moving the UXO :D

Now try teaching a ODA all of them. That why taking that UXO/MINE CD-ROM from the 18C course is so important. Get that SOMRAD book printed out for each of your vehciles or load the TDAs and ORDATA II onto your ODA computers.

BMT - Have you made that call yet?? Man that took a long time - and a Civillian had to answer first. :confused:
I guess these NEW 18 Charlies are looking for the other guy to put his hand up first. So HE doesn't look like the dummy (@$$).
VG

training
 

I remember me and another NCO having to "fight" to get UXO added to the 18C30 CTL during a CTRB. Good thing LTG L was in the seat and that became a hot issue. People wanted to keep it in the ANCOC side of the teaching house. I said, "wait we have 18C (Jr) going to a team with nothing more than knowing about mines." Something is wrong here. They don't get to ANCOC until they are E7s so that will be 2 to 6/8 (18X) years. So they have to institutional training on the subject.

Nme this
 

Okay 18C name the below on this munition.

Name the following:
1) Type by function
2) Safety Hazards
3) What weapon "fires" this warhead.
4) Type and name of Fuze.
5) BIP method?