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Badger52 02-01-2023 15:27

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There is only one reason people in power wish to disarm citizens. Control and power.
Meaning they want to do something to you for which you would otherwise shoot them.

doctom54 02-01-2023 18:14

When the people are afraid of the government, that's tyranny. But when the government is afraid of the people, that's liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


True in the 1700's and still true today

cbtengr 02-01-2023 18:43

Our founding fathers possessed a helluva lot more wisdom than any of today's politicians. Thanks to all who shared the above quotes.

Badger52 02-02-2023 20:55

Federal District Judge lays TRO on NJ carry restrictions
 
NJ carry law (post-Bruen) gets smacked temporarily; certainly her verbage and rationale seems solid to me.
9 minutes (including the presenter's requisite shilling for channel sponsor). The contention was over the broad list of restricted areas.

Here's the video.

Drip, drip.

bblhead672 02-03-2023 08:12

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Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 676241)
NJ carry law (post-Bruen) gets smacked temporarily; certainly her verbage and rationale seems solid to me.
9 minutes (including the presenter's requisite shilling for channel sponsor). The contention was over the broad list of restricted areas.

Here's the video.

Drip, drip.

With the compliance of the NRA, gun control advocates used incrementalism to get what is in place today. Rolling back incrementally will work, although I'd rather just have SCOTUS have to rule on the Constitutionality of the NFA and the subsequent powers given to the ATF to infringe upon the 2A.

GratefulCitizen 02-04-2023 22:29

Pot smokers can possess firearms:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...18991.36.0.pdf

The important part of this is the fact that the burden is on the government to produce an historical analog for any form of gun control.

Paslode 02-05-2023 16:15

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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen (Post 676273)
Pot smokers can possess firearms:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...18991.36.0.pdf

The important part of this is the fact that the burden is on the government to produce an historical analog for any form of gun control.

Those who indulge in alcohol can legally own firearms, why not pot heads?

bblhead672 02-09-2023 07:05

….’To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the law abiding gun owner that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless”……

Lysander Spooner

bblhead672 02-23-2023 07:55

A Closer Look at the Pivotal Bruen Decision

I think there's some good analysis in this piece, worth reading.

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The U.S. Supreme Court’s New York State Rifle & Pistol Assn., Inc. v. Bruen decision (issued June 23, 2022) was a pivotal ruling. Following up on the District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) and the McDonald v. City of Chicago (2010) decisions, Bruen reaffirmed private gun rights, quite solidly. Up until those three decisions, the Supreme Court had conspicuously ignored taking up any Second Amendment cases, for more than 50 years. But now, the highest court has made it quite clear that the right to keep and bear arms is nigh-on absolute.

I’ve mentioned the Bruen decision before in SurvivalBlog. But today, I’d like like to examine it more closely.

The majority opinion for Bruen was written by one of my heroes, Justice Clarence Thomas. He had previously lamented that the Second Amendment had been treated as “a disfavored right.” But in the 2022 decision, Justice Thomas set things write. He forthrightly wrote that the only gun regulations that can be deemed constitutional are ones that don’t infringe on conduct that is plainly covered by the text of the Second Amendment and that are “consistent with this Nation’s historical tradition.” This part of Bruen means that any gun law enacted at any level must have a demonstrable parallel in regulations that were in place at the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights — meaning circa December, 1791. Thus, Bruen sets a very high bar for legislators to hurdle. If lawmakers cannot cite a similar law that existed after the War of Independence but before December, 1791, then any statute pertaining to arms of any description would be unconstitutional!
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FIRING THE OTHER BARREL
Just days after the Bruen decision was handed down, the Supreme Court also issued a decision in the West Virginia v. EPA case. This case will have a profound effect on executive branch agency rulemaking. By reaffirming that only congress can make new federal laws, the Supreme Court has effectively tied the hands of the “alphabet soup” agencies (EPA, ATF, OSHA, MSA, HUD, DOE, et cetera) in issuing any major rules that amplify or supersede existing laws. Thus, the ATF’s recent absurd redefinition of “frame or receiver” and their repeated waffling on pistol arm braces will almost surely be ruled as executive branch overreach. (Arm-braced pistols didn’t somehow magically become “short-barreled rifles” just because a man from a different political party took office as president.)
Based on Bruen...the NFA and subsequent gun control laws are unconstitutional.
Based on WV vs EPA...the ATF can't be making up gun control rules as they see fit.
Too bad that both the NFA/GCA can't quickly be brought to SCOTUS for a ruling to strike them down based upon Bruen. As well as SCOTUS striking down the ATF's arbitrary rule making which creates law breakers.

GratefulCitizen 03-04-2023 11:37

Brick by brick, gun control is being dismantled.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...4593.154.1.pdf

From the decision:

“Doubtless, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8) embodies salutary policy goals meant to protect vulnerable people in our society. Weighing those policy goals’ merits through the sort of means-end scrutiny our prior precedent indulged, we previously concluded that the societal benefits of § 922(g)(8) outweighed its burden on Rahimi’s Second Amendment rights. But Bruen forecloses any such analysis in favor of a historical analogical inquiry into the scope of the allowable burden on the Second Amendment right. Through that lens, we conclude that § 922(g)(8)’s ban on possession of firearms is an “outlier[] that our ancestors would never have accepted.” Id. Therefore, the statute is unconstitutional, and Rahimi’s conviction under that statute must be vacated.”

Badger52 03-04-2023 13:23

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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen (Post 676481)
Brick by brick, gun control is being dismantled.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...4593.154.1.pdf

From the decision:

“Doubtless, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8) embodies salutary policy goals meant to protect vulnerable people in our society. Weighing those policy goals’ merits through the sort of means-end scrutiny our prior precedent indulged, we previously concluded that the societal benefits of § 922(g)(8) outweighed its burden on Rahimi’s Second Amendment rights. But Bruen forecloses any such analysis in favor of a historical analogical inquiry into the scope of the allowable burden on the Second Amendment right. Through that lens, we conclude that § 922(g)(8)’s ban on possession of firearms is an “outlier[] that our ancestors would never have accepted.” Id. Therefore, the statute is unconstitutional, and Rahimi’s conviction under that statute must be vacated.”

Nice when it's made apparent and the subject of the review isn't the most stellar dipstick on the planet.



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The Second Amendment is not “a second-class right.” Bruen, 142 S.
Ct. at 2156. It is not “subject to an entirely different body of rules than the
other Bill of Rights guarantees.”

...

18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8) disarms individuals based on civil protective
orders—not criminal proceedings. As the court today explains, there is no
analogous historical tradition sufficient to support § 922(g)(8) under Bruen
.

Box 03-05-2023 07:22

I have no faith in government doing the right thing when it comes to sincerely securing the rights, freedoms, and liberties of American citizens

while the courts are doing on thing - the administration will surely continue to try and undermine the constitution by trying to make gun control a United Nations Treaty issue that the current puppets will glad sign the USA up as signatories to some half assed "anti-gun" global security peace and butterflies treaty

...of course, that could NEVER happen in todays political landscape now - could it

GratefulCitizen 03-08-2023 10:38

New Jersey throws a temper tantrum and irritates judge.

This guy sums it up well.
There’s a link to the entire docket in the video description.

https://youtu.be/ljYtl-SuV1I

Badger52 03-08-2023 20:38

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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen (Post 676537)
New Jersey throws a temper tantrum and irritates judge.

This guy sums it up well.
There’s a link to the entire docket in the video description.

https://youtu.be/ljYtl-SuV1I

Indeed he's very good at explaining stuff. Sort of like facing a very long equation and finally someone comes along to indicate where the parens & brackets go.

Thanks for that on a hump day preceding more inbound snow. She (the Judge) sounds like she be "big mad." lmfao. I love it when these self-righteous little pissants do that. More angels got their wings.
:cool:

Paslode 03-17-2023 21:37

Not at all surprised that the Feds have been tracking firearms purchases and creating somewhat of a registry.

EXCLUSIVE: ATF Gains Financial Information on Potential Gun Buyers for Warrantless Tracking, Documents Show

Badger52 03-18-2023 05:05

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Originally Posted by Paslode (Post 676603)
Not at all surprised that the Feds have been tracking firearms purchases and creating somewhat of a registry.

They'll call that normal investigative work. What's interesting to me as documents from 6 January 2021 become available, is the subpoena to Bank America (and others) of CC records for anyone in the area that day that's popped up to interest the FBI. Most alarming are allegations of VOLUNTARY extra-credit homework by BoA to collate that info and do a further dive into whether any of those accounts had made firearm purchases in the past year. It seems BoA and some others continue to run Opn CHOKE POINT even though it's supposedly been officially terminated.

Box 03-20-2023 06:43

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The 4th Amendment to the Bill of Privileges does not mean you are free from illegal intrusion into your personal affairs by corrupt government agencies.
...get used to it.




"pR1VACy"

GratefulCitizen 03-20-2023 13:51

California’s UHA enjoined.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...747.60.0_1.pdf

Badger52 03-20-2023 20:10

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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen (Post 676624)

Huzzah!

Box 03-21-2023 06:54

A preliminary injunction is cute - but Kawlefornya says "fuck your injunction - AND your rights"

good start - but I have no trust in government to faithfully return infringed rights to the common citizen
...selected elitists; absolutely. They must be allowed to protect themselves from the unwashed masses.

The peasantry?
Fuck 'em - let them eat cake.

(1VB)compforce 03-23-2023 14:06

This just dropped. Going to watch it after work. I thought most of you might be interested.

House Judiciary Subcommittee and House Oversight Subcommittee Hearing on the ATF attack on the Second Amendment. Braces, registry, FFL revocations, ghosts, tracking and overreach are the topics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVP6-gK3ziY

This link is the actual hearing, not edited or commentary.

bubba 03-23-2023 19:13

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Originally Posted by (1VB)compforce (Post 676657)
This just dropped. Going to watch it after work. I thought most of you might be interested.

House Judiciary Subcommittee and House Oversight Subcommittee Hearing on the ATF attack on the Second Amendment. Braces, registry, FFL revocations, ghosts, tracking and overreach are the topics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVP6-gK3ziY

This link is the actual hearing, not edited or commentary.

I watched this verbal masturbation this afternoon and was wondering if someone should point out the the “committee” that “gun-control” started out with “Jim-Crowe laws” to keep “Freed Slaves” from “protecting themselves” in the “ghettos”……. Maybe, just maybe, if the re-pud-lik-can’ts would point out to the lefty commie racist ass-hats that “gun control” IS Racist the arguments could start to go our way……

Back to watching videos of some guy on a bulldozer busting beaver dams in Canada….

GratefulCitizen 03-24-2023 14:20

Utah law prohibits state officials from enforcing certain federal gun regulations.
Their governor signed it on March 21.

https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/HB0219.html

GratefulCitizen 04-01-2023 10:14

Restrictions on 2nd Amendment rights for those aged 18-20 found unconstitutional.

https://gunownersmn.s3.us-east-2.ama...nt+opinion.pdf

Badger52 04-01-2023 16:35

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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen (Post 676693)
Restrictions on 2nd Amendment rights for those aged 18-20 found unconstitutional.

https://gunownersmn.s3.us-east-2.ama...nt+opinion.pdf

Cool; just read that. :cool:

JimP 04-02-2023 06:40

Grateful Citizen/Badger - Texas did the same a while back. I need to get little girl trained up and get her permit for concealed carry. They don't advertise it and I do not know of anyone who has yet successfully done it but we're going to try. That is....if I can get her to sit still long enough........between school, work, boyfriend, etc. we don't see her much.

Her twin, Little Man....??? Yeah....., that's a whole different story.

Badger52 04-02-2023 16:32

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Originally Posted by JimP (Post 676700)
Grateful Citizen/Badger - Texas did the same a while back. I need to get little girl trained up and get her permit for concealed carry. They don't advertise it and I do not know of anyone who has yet successfully done it but we're going to try. That is....if I can get her to sit still long enough........between school, work, boyfriend, etc. we don't see her much.

Her twin, Little Man....??? Yeah....., that's a whole different story.

Ahh...So you have a UW challenge on your hands?
"Darlin' just for today, can we agree..."
I'm certain you're up to it. :D

GratefulCitizen 04-18-2023 10:42

These articles are presented with a spirit of frustration and despair.
They give me hope and joy!
:D

https://newrepublic.com/article/1717...-war-guns-lost
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...nce-not-newsom


Out of curiosity, is there a subject matter expert out there who could explain to me what exactly is a “double-pump shotgun with an extended clip”?

bubba 04-18-2023 10:59

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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen (Post 676942)
These articles are presented with a spirit of frustration and despair.
They give me hope and joy!
:D

https://newrepublic.com/article/1717...-war-guns-lost
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...nce-not-newsom


Out of curiosity, is there a subject matter expert out there who could explain to me what exactly is a “double-pump shotgun with an extended clip”?

These articles written by tyrannical lefties makes things crystal clear:

1- They KNOW what they are doing is objectively wrong.

2- They know that what they want to do is put their boots on the throats of those who oppose them.

3- Most importantly, they know, no matter how much “propaganda spaghetti” they throw at the televised wall, they have ZERO chance of having a winning argument stick.

The guys who kicked the hell out of the most powerful country on the planet with a little help from France knew that an armed society was a free society.

Happy early 19 April everyone…… yeah….. that whole “Lexington & Concord thing” was started over………. GUN CONTROL!!!

tom kelly 04-18-2023 12:46

Gun Control:
 
The Radical Left uses the dog whistle phrase "GUN VIOLENCE" whenever it fits their narrative....The quest for total power can only be achieved if and when they disarm all lawful armed people....same as Canada & other communist/socialist countries. The left has a partner in the MSM to help them spread fear about "MASS SHOOTINGS" every time someone is shot and killed. I don't believe the current administration and the inep and corrupt DOJ,CIA, DOD + the other government Agencies will ever stop trying to get everyones firearms.....

GratefulCitizen 04-18-2023 17:17

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Originally Posted by bubba (Post 676943)
3- Most importantly, they know, no matter how much “propaganda spaghetti” they throw at the televised wall, they have ZERO chance of having a winning argument stick.

They also have the realization that the pro-gun side has the means to enforce their arguments.
Speak softly, carry a big stick.

Hmmm…maybe a a good term for a firearm would be: an “argument stick”.
We have more “argument sticks” than they do.
:D

Badger52 04-19-2023 05:12

The language of the enemy morphs. "Gun control" is so yesterday. The fax machine went 'brrrrr' some weeks ago and it's now "gun reform."

Happy Patriot Day!
:cool:

Box 04-19-2023 05:21

It's called "common sense" gun reform...
...and its for the children.
It's ALWAYS for the children.

bblhead672 04-19-2023 07:09

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Happy Patriots Day!

Battles of Lexington and Concord
The Battles of Lexington and Concord, fought on April 19, 1775, kicked off the American Revolutionary War (1775-83). Tensions had been building for many years between residents of the 13 American colonies and the British authorities, particularly in Massachusetts. On the night of April 18, 1775, hundreds of British troops marched from Boston to nearby Concord in order to seize an arms cache.

Never give up your weapons. Freedom from tyranny depends upon the right to keep and bear arms. The patriots in 1775 knew that.

GratefulCitizen 04-26-2023 09:35

Bump stock ban found to be unconstitutional.

https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opi...3a0086p-06.pdf

Badger52 04-26-2023 14:42

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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen (Post 677031)
Bump stock ban found to be unconstitutional.

https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opi...3a0086p-06.pdf

As Congress gets ready to hear testimony on the brace rule, cases on that are wending their way through the courts as well. I'm at slightly better than 50:50 that the tide is turning to slap down the notion of arbitrary rule-making by agencies outside legislation. (Thank you West Virginia v. EPA)

sinjefe 04-27-2023 02:40

"Anyone who actually understands the issue knows: It’s the guns, stupid." and "Short of a national divorce, there is nothing that can be done at this point." - Brynn Tannehill is a Naval Academy graduate, former naval aviator, author, and senior defense analyst. She currently lives in Northern Virginia with her wife and three children.

They can't be reasoned with. And don't get me started on the LA Times article. Full of logical fallacies. You'd think they teach that in journalism school, but I guess not.

bubba 04-27-2023 05:26

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Originally Posted by sinjefe (Post 677037)
"Anyone who actually understands the issue knows: It’s the guns, stupid." and "Short of a national divorce, there is nothing that can be done at this point." - Brynn Tannehill is a Naval Academy graduate, former naval aviator, author, and senior defense analyst. She currently lives in Northern Virginia with her wife and three children.

They can't be reasoned with. And don't get me started on the LA Times article. Full of logical fallacies. You'd think they teach that in journalism school, but I guess not.

“She currently lives in Virginia with her wife…..”

That alone lets me know that she has no idea what a divorce actually would look like if the Meat-Eating, Gun-Owning, God Fearing Men of this country decided to kick her gay ass out of the house. I almost welcome the thought of her ilk trying something….. LOL

GratefulCitizen 04-28-2023 16:40

Illinois assault weapon and magazine ban enjoined:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...94369.43.0.pdf

GratefulCitizen 05-08-2023 15:09

The Illinois awb was enjoined, the injunction was stayed, an emergency appeal went to SCOTUS, and SCOTUS requested a response from Illinois.
The response looks like an attempt at burden-shifting.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketP...r%20Filing.pdf


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