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cbtengr 01-05-2022 14:55

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Originally Posted by sfshooter (Post 672569)
Lets not forget that the war is not over in the 2A realm as that is the only way they can obtain true power. In a not surprising move we've added more shit to the citizens who follow the law:

https://americanmilitarynews.com/202...le-here-it-is/

"“Today’s announcements build on the department’s efforts to reduce the risk of firearms falling into the wrong hands,” Attorney General Merrick B. Garland said in a statement."

I think he meant to say it adds expense to the firearms for going into the right hands. If we nickel and dime the gun sellers to death, then there won't be anymore guns sold.

As I read it the seller must have the devices available for sale, nothing about the purchaser having to buy the device. So what is the point? Just more BS from the DOJ.

Badger52 01-05-2022 20:54

Here's the actual rule.


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Moreover, the regulation requires that the secure gun storage or safety devices be compatible with the firearms offered for sale by the licensee.
"Here's a safe that will house anything we sell, up to & including that Barrett over there you keep drooling on."

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The certification requirement does not apply (emphasis mine) where a secure gun storage or safety device is temporarily unavailable because of theft, casualty loss, consumer sales, backorders from a manufacturer, or any other similar reason beyond the control of the licensee.
"We can order you one and here is the ATF's pamphlet with their comments about secure storage."

IMO, this is more reactive pandering but also serves as another lever to squeeze a particular FFL. And, as usual, there is plenty of leeway for them to always adjourn for coffee and come back with another interpretation.

Combat Diver 01-06-2022 00:17

If the building is already secure ie walls, doors, locks and the thief breaks in then its only a matter of time till they defeat the next level.

CD

sfshooter 01-06-2022 09:33

I guess I read it differently. I presumed that the FFL would now have to give (provide) each buyer with a lock box/safe, which in turn would add another expense to the FFL holder.
I didn't look at it in the capitalist viewpoint :D.
But then if the buyer has to buy said lock box then there is more expense for the buyer. All in all just more b.s. to jack with honest people for exercising their constitutional rights.

Old Dog New Trick 01-06-2022 11:55

I haven’t bought a new gun in the last twenty years that didn’t come with cable lock from the manufacturer thrown in the box.

I just bought a new shotgun from Cabela’s and came with a wonky little red metal/plastic trigger lock with two holes and a metal two pronged disk to remove it when I got home. Also included was a small pamphlet to address locking up your firearm and keeping it safe from children.

Best way I know to keep children safe from guns is to give them one when they are young and teach them firearm safety.

Don’t know why the DOJ needs to be involved but I’m sure the law making side of the CDC isn’t far behind.

Sohei 01-06-2022 14:01

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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick (Post 672592)
I haven’t bought a new gun in the last twenty years that didn’t come with cable lock from the manufacturer thrown in the box.

I just bought a new shotgun from Cabela’s and came with a wonky little red metal/plastic trigger lock with two holes and a metal two pronged disk to remove it when I got home. Also included was a small pamphlet to address locking up your firearm and keeping it safe from children.

Best way I know to keep children safe from guns is to give them one when they are young and teach them firearm safety.

Don’t know why the DOJ needs to be involved but I’m sure the law making side of the CDC isn’t far behind.

Brother, the government *always* knows better than you pesky ignorant parents about raising your kids and teaching them about gun safety….

doctom54 01-09-2022 18:16

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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick (Post 672592)
I haven’t bought a new gun in the last twenty years that didn’t come with cable lock from the manufacturer thrown in the box.
........

Best way I know to keep children safe from guns is to give them one when they are young and teach them firearm safety.

Don’t know why the DOJ needs to be involved but I’m sure the law making side of the CDC isn’t far behind.

I agree. It is MY responsibility to train all the grandchildren in firearms safety.

CDC was a great organization until about 20 years ago. They need to be dissolved or otherwise done away with now.

Badger52 01-09-2022 19:14

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Originally Posted by doctom54 (Post 672623)
I agree. It is MY responsibility to train all the grandchildren in firearms safety.

CDC was a great organization until about 20 years ago. They need to be dissolved or otherwise done away with now.

I recall the Clintonistas had commissioned a study for the CDC to "prove" that violent crime went down during the 10 years of the AWB. Except it didn't - oops. IIRC it took a FOIA request to get the inconveniently embarrasing study out into the public. Yessir, compromised for quite awhile.

pcfixer 01-10-2022 12:28

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Originally Posted by pcfixer (Post 672475)

Jan 10 2022 Petition DENIED.

Badger52 01-11-2022 06:19

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Originally Posted by pcfixer (Post 672631)
Jan 10 2022 Petition DENIED.

Is that the function of a single reviewing justice who "covers" that jurisdiction? Do they indicate a rationale when they do that?

pcfixer 01-12-2022 08:21

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Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 672637)
Is that the function of a single reviewing justice who "covers" that jurisdiction? Do they indicate a rationale when they do that?

No to both questions!



Don't think, and attorney's believe this case still in play. Sorta, stand by for news.
So most likely reasoning.

Last hard class 01-26-2022 10:11

Do you want to go to San Jose?


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/san-jos...ce-annual-fee/




LHC

tonyz 01-26-2022 10:44

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Originally Posted by Last hard class (Post 672821)

Great...nothing like a roadmap of who purchases a firearm, who owns a firearm, what type of firearm, where that firearm is located...what could go wrong...and of course the local powers-that-be expect the crim-nals will follow these requirements too...not to mention holy de facto registration Batman.

cbtengr 01-26-2022 13:38

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Originally Posted by Last hard class (Post 672821)

"This won't stop mass shootings and keep bad people from committing violent crime," the mayor said, but added most gun deaths nationally are from suicide, accidental shootings or other causes and even many homicides stem from domestic violence."

So what is the point of all this? Good for the insurance industry and whoever gets that $25.00 fee.

sfshooter 01-27-2022 11:22

It's the liberal mindset. They can say they have done something for "gun violence" even though it doesn't do a damn thing for it. But they sure feel better for having "done something". It's how I quit smoking. Tax it higher and higher and hopefully people will just quit buying guns.

GratefulCitizen 01-29-2022 11:39

Politics is downstream of culture.
Much of culture is now spread through the internet.

Many who lean left are starting to understand the importance of the 2nd Amendment.
Those who have influence in the culture spread this new found understanding.

A couple of left-leaning influencers that come to mind are Tim Pool and JP Sears.
JP just dropped a video concerning his “awakening”.

https://youtu.be/7fKO1-hE2Wg

Box 01-29-2022 14:34

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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen (Post 672850)
Politics is downstream of culture.
Much of culture is now spread through the internet.

Many who lean left are starting to understand the importance of the 2nd Amendment.
Those who have influence in the culture spread this new found understanding.

A couple of left-leaning influencers that come to mind are Tim Pool and JP Sears.
JP just dropped a video concerning his “awakening”.

https://youtu.be/7fKO1-hE2Wg

Wow.
I try not to be serious very often but that feels like a pretty transformative video from a guy that has demonstrated a decade's worth or sarcastic leftist mastery at mocking our constitutional freedoms. Imagine - the constitution actually serves BOTH ideological sides of the citizenry.

"I have a family now so now I very much understand that being able to protect your family is part of what makes you a true man, father, husband..."

It's such a breath of fresh air when you see the look in someone's eyes once they start to "get it" - a level of humility that so many of us never achieve. I also like his line:

"well JP, I'm not set up to protect MY family, so, what are you saying?
...well, I'm saying, you're not a real man
"


Every now and then, you see a leftist experience an awakening and it gives you hope.
Not a lot of hope.
Just a little.
A little hope goes a long way.

Costa 03-04-2022 06:55

ATF Cracks down on Form 1 suppressors
 
This is one of those quasi-firearm topics. There's debate as to whether or not silencers/suppressors are firearms, however being as they are regulated as firearms and this has to do with the legalese of them, I thought this appropriate to post here.

For those not aware of the general background: There are commercially available products that are marketed as storage devices or cleaning aids AKA solvent traps, that can attach to the muzzle of a firearm. These devices would function as a suppressor, however there are no holes in them for the bullet to pass through. If one were to make one of these devices into a suppressor, they would have to follow the appropriate laws and basically receive permission from the BATFE to drill out the device and convert to a suppressor. Historically this was done via Form 1. There are other fine print steps to follow, but that is the gest of the background. A quick web search of Form 1 suppressors will yield a lot more information.

Anecdotally, there is some good research being done among Form 1'ers to advance design commercially and some companies are starting to move from solvent trap manufacturer to SOT/suppressor manufacture with fairly decent results being objectively tested through the Pew Science organization. The average price point of suppressors has also started to come down as a result of the competitive landscape.

The BATFE recently (like 3 days ago recently) began mass denying virtually all Form 1 applications with the explanation that basically 1) because their definition of a silencer includes all the parts needed to make a silencer, and 2) the end user intended to use them as components in the construction of such, that these parts were illegally transferred to the end user and they should fill out a form 4 for these. There was little guidance given, but speculation is that the ATF is trying to kill the Form 1 DIY industry through fear and creating additional cost/red-tape barriers. Those who were not flat out denied seem to be in the middle of an ATF fishing expedition with requests for further information.

A lot see this as the beginning of further regulation to go after "Ghost Guns" and 80% lowers eventually, but starting with NFA items such as suppressors and SBRs (some suggest that pistol braces will be next).

There are tons of logic holes within the ATF's argument and it will no doubt end up in court eventually, however this seems to be more of the same of governance by unelected agency officials through executive orders until they are challenged.

This is the call to action to inform your local elected officials to exert pressure on the ATF if you feel so compelled.

Badger52 03-04-2022 16:48

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Originally Posted by Costa (Post 673162)
There are tons of logic holes within the ATF...

They have used the thought crime of "constructive intent" for many years to chill & intimidate.

pcfixer 04-10-2022 06:25

MGA 2022
 
1 Attachment(s)
Now that ALL Md General Assy Bills will cease as of 12 midnight 11 April.

These are 2 very egregious bill that will be law in Md 1 June 2022.

https://www.marylandshallissue.org/j...7-hb425-hb1021

Neither of these Bills that become law will be destined to reduce firearm violence
in Baltimore Md or anywhere else.

Letter Sent from MSI.

Badger52 05-07-2022 19:44

FYI on David Codrea's blog
 
David Codrea has been fighting the good fight in this arena for a very long time. Awhile back he'd made the decision finally to ditch his bloghost after they, without notice or justification, simply "disappeared" one of his more tame pieces.

For those who may look for his product from time to time, here's his latest home:

https://waronguns.com/

As mentioned in another post there, he's still learning some of the foibles of a new system so focus on the content, which is typically top-notch.

GratefulCitizen 05-17-2022 15:03

New stuff in the federal register.

https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...on-of-firearms

Go down to the third paragraph of the executive summary, and read the first sentence.

“In the past few years, some courts have treated the regulatory definition of “firearm frame or receiver” as inflexible when applied to the lower portion of the AR-15-type rifle, one of the most popular firearms in the United States.”

Ironically, this has pro-gun implications when considering the “arms in common use” test from Heller v. D.C.
Time to strike down some state assault weapon bans.

bubba 05-17-2022 16:08

All gun laws are repulsive to the USC.

“Shall Not be Infringed” is a pretty straight forward phrase that has been completely ignored. When the tyrant ignores the laws, resistance is not only justified, but required.

Badger52 05-17-2022 17:50

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Originally Posted by bubba (Post 673990)
All gun laws are repulsive to the USC.

“Shall Not be Infringed” is a pretty straight forward phrase that has been completely ignored. When the tyrant ignores the laws, resistance is not only justified, but required.

This.

sfshooter 05-21-2022 08:14

Came across this today:

https://americanmilitarynews.com/202...it-on-license/


With the republicans outnumbered in house and senate I suppose this will pass (lack of capitalizing those nouns is intentional). Obviously quite unconstitutional but definitely not beyond the realm of reality of becoming a law....especially in the circus we live in now.

I think we inch closer and closer to conflict as each day passes.

Sohei 05-21-2022 08:47

Booker is yet another clown that can't understand the plainly written language of the 2nd Amendment. It's amazing how many true enemies of our nation are called US Senators and Representatives. They know the only thing keeping them from achieving their ultimate goal to socialize us is the fact that we still have weapons in the hands of the citizenry and they are going to do their very best to keep attacking that right until they can achieve their goals.

Badger52 05-21-2022 12:09

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Originally Posted by sfshooter (Post 674027)
I think we inch closer and closer to conflict as each day passes.

There is only one reason for a government to attempt all of this. It is because they wish to do something for which they would otherwise be shot by their citizenry. The worse they are, the more particularly squeamish they are about their own physical well-being.

I recall actor and former Senator Fred Thompson's (RIP) comments to the Elite Elites of the NRA at a dinner at which all the (R) candidates were to get up to a podium and song & dance or fellate their way into the grifting arms of an NRA endorsement. (It was one of those years Mittens was running.) After several had talked with the usual (tall) boyhood tales of plinking with .22's and shooting pigeons behind the barn, trying to say the "right" things, Thompson got up and simply said this to all the suits:

"I own a lot of guns. I'm not going to tell ya what kind, how many, or where they're at; 'cause it's none of y'alls bidness."

He was literally the only person in the room who "got it."

Swoop 05-22-2022 05:34

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Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 674029)
"I own a lot of guns. I'm not going to tell ya what kind, how many, or where they're at; 'cause it's none of y'alls bidness."

He was literally the only person in the room who "got it."


EXACTLY! :lifter

sfshooter 05-31-2022 14:46

Get ready folks. Me thinks they will get some of these passed with their partisan brethren.....you know, to show people that they really care.


https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ho...31/id/1072275/

Box 06-01-2022 04:33

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Originally Posted by sfshooter (Post 674146)
Get ready folks. Me thinks they will get some of these passed with their partisan brethren.....you know, to show people that they really care.


https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ho...31/id/1072275/

Republicans have never been friends of the gun owner - they are politicians not patriots. There are still permanent Washington Republicans from the 1990's era gun ban collecting a pay check while spending decades running on the Pro-2A campaign platforms.

Never kid yourself - politicians, military leaders, and cops are NOT there to protect your gun rights. They are there to protect power.

rsdengler 06-01-2022 10:36

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Originally Posted by Sohei (Post 674028)
Booker is yet another clown that can't understand the plainly written language of the 2nd Amendment. It's amazing how many true enemies of our nation are called US Senators and Representatives. They know the only thing keeping them from achieving their ultimate goal to socialize us is the fact that we still have weapons in the hands of the citizenry and they are going to do their very best to keep attacking that right until they can achieve their goals.


Our politician's are the enemy, they now have way too much power and they certainly are ignorant of the Constitution, especially the 2nd Amendment.

sg1987 06-01-2022 14:40

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Originally Posted by sfshooter (Post 674146)
Get ready folks. Me thinks they will get some of these passed with their partisan brethren.....you know, to show people that they really care.


https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ho...31/id/1072275/

So I'm wondering who this might be...

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a new "red flag" law that would be designed to keep Americans who might be deemed potentially violent from legally purchasing a firearm.
Would this be members of the Tea Party, Three percenters, Veterans, Trump voters, etc. ???? Who gets to define this?

Badger52 06-01-2022 17:37

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Originally Posted by sg1987 (Post 674151)
So I'm wondering who this might be...



Would this be members of the Tea Party, Three percenters, Veterans, Trump voters, etc. ???? Who gets to define this?

Don't forget that long list of people who attend school board meetings to protest their kids getting "identified" as one of the 967 pseudo-flavors as well as being a systematic oppressor to boot. Cat ladies just love reportin' folks that skeer' em.

GratefulCitizen 06-23-2022 09:16

The decision came down today:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...0-843_7j80.pdf

From page 15 of the decision:

“In sum, the Courts of Appeals’ second step is inconsistent with Heller’s historical approach and its rejection of means-end scrutiny. We reiterate that the standard for applying the Second Amendment is as follows: When the Second Amendment’s plain text covers an individual’s conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct. The government must then justify its regulation by demonstrating that it is consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation. Only then may a court conclude that the individual’s conduct falls outside the Second Amendment’s “unqualified command.” Konigsberg, 366 U. S., at 50, n. 10.”

Badger52 06-23-2022 11:15

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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen (Post 674288)
'...the Second Amendment’s “unqualified command.” Konigsberg, 366 U. S., at 50, n. 10.”

Extremely artful. All those folks who keep threatening to leave America, please: Stop teasing us. NY Gov Hochul is really steamed. In a Republic this is a good thing.

GC's link is a worthy read. Some dominos in other states are getting ready to fall.

sg1987 06-23-2022 14:30

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Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 674289)
In a Republic this is a good thing.

Yes sir. A victory for the republic.

GratefulCitizen 06-26-2022 19:38

Look what happened to Brazil when gun laws were loosened.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-le...on-11656268995

Airbornelawyer 06-27-2022 16:07

One of the first state responses I've seen, other than donkeys braying to TV cameras.

https://www.anjrpc.org/page/NJDropsJustifiableNeed

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At the close of business today, and in light of the Bruen decision, the New Jersey Attorney General issued a directive to law enforcement agencies and prosecutors mandating that NJ carry permit applications now be processed WITHOUT an applicant having to prove "justifiable need."

GratefulCitizen 06-30-2022 18:12

CVRs for NJ, HI, CA, and MD as a consequence of NYSRPA v Bruen.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/...22zor_5he6.pdf

Badger52 07-01-2022 04:09

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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen (Post 674318)
CVRs for NJ, HI, CA, and MD as a consequence of NYSRPA v Bruen.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/...22zor_5he6.pdf

Yup. The gift that keeps on giving. "Now lower courts, go unscrew yourselves."
:lifter


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