Not gonna happen
 

Most Americans will not go to war with their neighbors over this or for anything for that matter. As long as Netflix is available, power and running water, most people do not have the will or courage to do any fighting.

IMO, they will rule it unconstitutional as is prevents people from exercising their right to keep and bear arms. The government, both state and federal, should not be able to dictate when and where a citizen should carry a firearm. As we have seen before gun free zones only stop law abiding citizens.

Here in Texas we just finally passed constitutional carry. Before it got passed several police chiefs and Sheriffs did a press conference on the steps of Texas Capital against constitutional carry. How it would make it more dangerous for its officers and deputies. Those same people would be the ones saying we are just doing our job when rounding up people. Plus officers shoot plenty of unarmed people. At least now shooting armed people they would receive less scrutiny then if they shot someone unarmed.

Cautiously optimistic
 

Just a tad, though. IF (presuming normal mental capacity in the court) they thought that NY law was just a cookie cutter sufficient to leave it alone & let other states emulate it, they'd have not agreed to hear it at all. (They seem to be good at not hearing things.) So there's the hair better than even chance they view the case as possibly succeeding.

Looks like they did all the necessary preparation and deliberately picked a fight with the ATF.
It will be interesting to see how this legal battle goes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/co...lic_statement/

Looks like the ATF was playing dirty and got caught.
If the plaintiffs win their case and the FRT-15 remains legal, the fact that there are a finite number of NFA machine guns will become moot.

The owner is an attorney and had everything ready.
Lawfare points both ways.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...92523.32.0.pdf

Biden is a lame duck president before any of this becomes an issue.

The polarity of the congress is in survival mode.

Thanks for that link.

· So our ONE AND ONLY CHANCE to stop the UN’s “Small Arms Treaty” is during the ratification process in the U.S. Senate. As you know, it takes 67 Senate votes to ratify a treaty.

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/07/un-...#axzz75IyLqz2G

:) the comment!

"And the American People better be prepared if it is signed. As always stay heavily armed and very dangerouse."


(AmmoLand.com)- It’s that time again folks, as the Seventh Conference of the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) will take place August 30 to September 3 (2021) in Geneva, Switzerland.

United States Navy-Marine Corps Court of Criminal Appeals rules that bump stocks are not machine guns.

Important parts of the decision directly address problems with ATF interpretation and apply the rule of lenity.

https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/...chine-Guns.pdf

Thanks for that. There is likely grumbling by some readable on the Richter scale, epicenter New York Ave. NE.

NYSRPA v. Bruen
 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/18-824

Justice Thomas did write this but Justice Kavanaugh did not concur with part II

This looks like an experiment.
If it proves effective in serving gun-grabbers larger agenda, the federal government will get in on the game.

The federal government’s ability to print money combined with this tactic could be a problem.
https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releas...riff%E2%80%99s

The BATFE is expanding its foot print.
 

According to leaked document the BATFE is opening satellite branches in several areas and creating operation zones.

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/10/new...#axzz79OVTObhi

The doc:

https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/...nches-2021.pdf

The use of concealed carry limitations in Robertson v Baldwin is actually very similar to the use of such limitations in Heller: as an example (out of several) to show that Constitutional protections sometimes have limits, and thus that the Constitutional protection in question (the 13th Amendment) also has limits (such that the contract of a seaman would not violate the 13th Amendment).

Now, while the concealed carry limitations were contemporary at the time of Robertson, it's important to note that Heller uses them solely in historical form, to note that the right was historically regarded as having limits.

The use of the 2nd Amendment example was not itself a necessary precondition for the holding in Robertson, most especially because of the wording at the beginning of the paragraph in which it's used ("But we are also of opinion that, even if the contract of a seaman could be considered within the letter of the Thirteenth Amendment, it is not, within its spirit, a case of involuntary servitude."), which clearly shows that the entire line of inquiry the Court was using there was unnecessary for its conclusion. That means that Robertson is not precedential with respect to its claim about the 2nd Amendment to the degree that an actual holding would be.

If Robertson were indeed precedential in that way, then the Court would not have limited its statement in Heller to one that courts historically regarded the right as having some limitations, with concealed carry prohibitions being among those limitations. Rather, it would have directly stated that concealed carry prohibitions are among those limitations today, precisely because of its own prior jurisprudence (but only if it regarded its prior jurisprudence as remaining valid).


In any case, precedent is valid only to the degree that the reasoning behind that precedent is valid. The state courts explicitly stated their reasoning for upholding concealed carry bans. That reasoning was that, as a rule, only criminals would consider carrying concealed, and they do so for nefarious purposes, and therefore a ban on the act is justifiable because they regarded the nature of the act itself as nefarious. But the actions of tens of millions of law-abiding citizens who peacefully carry concealed every day today disproves that reasoning. Without the reasoning behind it, the historical precedent is invalid. A court which insists on using invalid precedent as the basis of its decision is a court which is acting in an arbitrary and capricious manner.

A proper free society does not impose limits on the everyday peaceful actions of the citizenry solely due to the actions of a much smaller number of criminals. That is what a police state does. If we forbade every action that is common to both citizens and criminals, the resulting set of available actions left would be vanishingly small. To do that would be to straitjacket the citizenry. It is plainly invalid to do such a thing, and that is one reason that carry bans of all modes are facially invalid.

From a current post from Maryland "mdshooters".

Here’s the latest blueprint for gun control:
https://denveraccord.org/recommended...-and-policies/

Hmmm…
-“May issue” permit to purchase.
-Denial for a misdemeanor “hate crime”.

This sort of thing would be an effective way to start a shooting war.

If vaccine mandates, direct from or sponsored by government, are allowed to survive then the "public health crisis" mentioned can be handled the same way. Dovetails perfectly with the CDC examining "gun violence" as a public health concern (again).

Never give them up. Ever.

All of that attached sheet of shit vs. “Shall NOT be infringed” (MUTHA FUKA or we will SHOOT your asses on a bridge)…. Yeah, I’m ready to just get this Revolution 2.0 underway…..

I think I know which side has the best “shot” (heard around the world (again)) of winning…..

Well...in these days and times when everyone is trying their best to rid us of that *pesky* 2nd Amendment...I like to every now-and-then see someone try to defend it. A/G Jeff Landry tells J.P. Morgan that if they try to restrict the 2nd Amendment, his state won't do business with them. It's a small fight, but it's a fight in the right direction.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...s-restrict-2a/

Good to see. Many such companies haven't changed their globalist practices and continue Operation CHOKE POINT voluntarily. It's still Obama 3.0. Everytime a little Mom & Pop FFL has to shut down because they can't get a payment processor to work with them Susan Rice and Samantha Power smile. They need to be humbled instead, or redacted.

These women have been spouting liberal talking points for decades.
You can see them struggling with their cognitive dissonance.

There may be hope if people this far left start to “get it”.
The desire to protect yourself and your offspring supersedes loyalty to a political party.

https://twitter.com/TheView/status/1...es-a-gun-owner

That appears to be the clinical definition of “cognitive dissidence”. To watch the second one talk about how having a gun in a home leads to the owners death is just pure B.S.

I think these are my favorite parts of this gem, but this is pure gold when you need to talk about the mental illness / psychological disorder that is the left (democrat / communist party).

Clown with red hair:
“I’m a big ‘gun control person’, back in the 60’s, the NRA fought along side the government for stricter gun regulations. Why? Because there was an effort to keep the guns out of the hands of Africa Americans as racial tensions grew”

Moron “prosecutor”:
“They wouldn’t even give Dr. King a concealed carry permit, the same man that was killed by gun violence”

You need an IQ lower than your shoe-size to not hear the blatant nonsensical ideas…..

Idiocracy
Narrator: As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point. Natural selection, the process by which the strongest, the smartest, the fastest, reproduced in greater numbers than the rest, a process which had once favored the noblest traits of man, now began to favor different traits. Most science fiction of the day predicted a future that was more civilized and more intelligent. But as time went on, things seemed to be heading in the opposite direction. A dumbing down. How did this happen? Evolution does not necessarily reward intelligence. With no natural predators to thin the herd, it began to simply reward those who reproduced the most, and left the intelligent to become an endangered species.

Joe: For the last time, I'm pretty sure what's killing the crops is this Brawndo stuff.
Secretary of State: But Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes.
Attorney General: So wait a minute. What you're saying is that you want us to put water on the crops.
Joe: Yes.
Attorney General: Water. Like out the toilet?
Joe: Well, I mean, it doesn't have to be out of the toilet, but, yeah, that's the idea.
Secretary of State: But Brawndo's got what plants crave.
Attorney General: It's got electrolytes.
Joe: Okay, look. The plants aren't growing, so I'm pretty sure that the Brawndo's not working. Now, I'm no botanist, but I do know that if you put water on plants, they grow.
Secretary of Energy: Well, I've never seen no plants grow out of no toilet.
Secretary of State: Hey, that's good. You sure you ain't the smartest guy in the world?
Joe: Okay, look. You wanna solve this problem. I wanna get my pardon. So why don't we just try it, okay, and not worry about what plants crave?
Attorney General: Brawndo's got what plants crave.
Secretary of Energy: Yeah, it's got electrolytes.
Joe: What are electrolytes? Do you even know?
Secretary of State: It's what they use to make Brawndo.
Joe: Yeah, but why do they use them to make Brawndo?
Secretary of Defense: 'Cause Brawndo's got electrolytes.

I think we’ve reached this level of stupid even faster than Mike Judge predicted

Interesting subject. I was at the gun range yesterday with my shooting friend. He mentioned that he was at a recent gun show and that 80% of the gun buyers were black women.

He said he talked to a couple of them where one of the dealers was trying to get them to buy $900 pistols. He pointed to a much cheaper model and said they were just as reliable and easy to clean; said he owned one himself. My friend is the scourge of rip off dealers.:D

This is a big one.
Looks like it will be a win for gun rights, but the decision will still probably be narrow.

Many news articles are available.
Here’s one without much spin:

https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/11/m...narrow-ruling/

From the article:

Roberts made a related point in his questioning of Fletcher. He told Fletcher that, with other constitutional rights, the Constitution “gives you that right, and if someone’s going to take it away from you, they have to justify it.” Why, Roberts asked, should citizens need to prove that they are entitled to – or have a special need to – exercise their constitutional right to carry guns outside the home for self-defense?

Fletcher stood firm, telling Roberts that such an argument “assumes the conclusion.” The very question in the case, he said, is whether the Second Amendment guarantees the right to carry a handgun for self-defense without a demonstrated need to do so.

But Roberts was still skeptical. No matter what the right is, he responded, “it would be surprising to have it depend upon a permit system. You can say that the right is limited in a particular way, just as First Amendment right are limited, but the idea that you need a license to exercise the right, I think, is unusual in the context of the Bill of Rights.”

Robert's is a moron and needs to be impeached the first chance we get. The Constitution does not give rights in the Bill of Rights. The rights are acknowledged to exist by right of birth. Period.

Obviously his Clerk has not yet finished retrieving the stack of precedent with which to slap his boss upside the head.

Bye bye.

TR

Saw the beginnings of this story pop up weeks ago.
Looks like it has gained the attention of Congress.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-registry.html

Given how long it usually takes for Congress to get an answer from anyone in this administration I don't give them good odds. Plenty of cans will probably get out of approval jail before that happens.

I heard within the last 3 months that if you have in excess of "3" registered firearms you are already on an FIB list. The person that said that would be in a position to know. I would assume the FIB could grab that information during the background check process and/or credit card transactions.

Where is registration required? When I left CA they didn't even have "registration" yet. I haven't seen that they do now, either.

A register is used to record a transaction. Invoice Registers, Form 4473, Driver License, Social Security numbers are all forms of registering a identifier to a individual.

If a person is required to fill out a form to purchase a firearm and the serial number is input on the form that firearm is registered to the purchaser. Whether that serial number correlates to a person being in a vast database is up for debate.

When the gun shop calls the FBI for a background check on the purchaser its really unknown whether the FBI tracks of how many times a person has had a background check run for the purchase of a firearm.

If a person purchases over a certain amount of firearms within a certain time period they are flagged.

It's not unfathomable that purchases at gun shops via Visa, MC, AMEX, etc and even personal check could be reported. That's not much different than banks flagging transactions over $10,000 or getting your ass in a sling because you deposit just less than $10,000 to avoid the paper work.


Exclusive: Feds issue 4,000 orders to seize guns from people who failed background checks: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...cks/901017001/

The only way the Feds can issue 4,000 confiscation orders is if they know the individuals on the orders have guns. How would they know if a person who failed a background check owns firearms?

I own pre-NICS guns, I have a CCW in AZ which I used my DD214 to get and which means there is also no NICS check if I buy another gun, the FFL holds the 4473s, they are not sent to the Feds, and I paid for a gun delivered to my son's FFL. What do they really know about what or how many guns I own?

Until the FFL goes out of business, then the Feds get all the records for 'storage' at the National Tracing Center.

Mine died but I only got one lower through him. The best thing was that he only charged $10 for everything.

Time will tell.

Key portions of the NDAA struck
 

This is simply very good news. I have a Schadenfreude Pie I'd like to throw at a certain General who fancies himself a woke Marshal Zhukov but will refrain.

Full story at the jump here.

And.... this story is from December 2017-- 4 years ago.. :munchin

P.Z. v. New Jersey
 

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2...un-case-n53737

..

It is my opinion that it should be law that a matter that has been concluded in favor of the accused, where it involved seizure of property belonging to the accused, the return of that property should be ordered forthwith as part of the basic disposition of the case. It is far too common that a person found to have acted in self-defense or undergoing some other weapon-related proceeding then still has to file a separate petition for return of their firearm(s). It should be law of the land and all these little Vichy protectorates like New Jersey should be cuffed upside the head. [/rant]

SCOTUS is a crapshoot at this moment. They are already 2/3 surrendered to the Dark Side and have not been concerned with Rule of Law since 11 Dec 2020.
I wish him luck.

Remember the North Hollywood Shootout in 1997? B&B Guns on Oxnard Blvd., who loaned the ARs to LAPD SWAT, never got them back. The owners claimed that the lawsuits between them and the City of L.A. led to their going out of business.

Lets not forget that the war is not over in the 2A realm as that is the only way they can obtain true power. In a not surprising move we've added more shit to the citizens who follow the law:

https://americanmilitarynews.com/202...le-here-it-is/

"“Today’s announcements build on the department’s efforts to reduce the risk of firearms falling into the wrong hands,” Attorney General Merrick B. Garland said in a statement."

I think he meant to say it adds expense to the firearms for going into the right hands. If we nickel and dime the gun sellers to death, then there won't be anymore guns sold.