:eek:

:p :D

They should have thrown a box of depends with a rope attached down the hall. A 107 yr old could not hold out long....:eek:;)

Or sent in a glass of prune juice. He would have caved in 15 minutes.

... and with today being "National Grandparents Day".

Ooops. :eek:

At some point, doesn't one mature past the "shoot through doors" stage?

SWAT team for a 107 year-old.
Good thing there weren't 2 of them.

Bunch of disgruntled seniors at the afternoon buffet might warrant calling out the National Guard.

The plot for "Expendables 8".

Now dats funnt rit there.

I'd buy that, if they were launching something even once a week, but with the VERY infrequent number of launches/activities, I think they could get away with external security support rather than maintain an organic assault/counterassault capability.

The upfront cost is zero, but what about the backside cost of fuel for the fuel guzzler?


http://www.infowars.com/ohio-state-g...etric-warfare/

Maintenance
 

Not to mention maintenance and parts.......

Wonder what an air cleaner for one of those puppies run? Or is it a "run forever - just blow out once a week" jobs?

Warrior Cops
 

Gentlemen: In 1977 I was a Cop in Washington DC when the Hanafi Muslims initiated a terrorist attack on three buildings in Washington DC. I was at the District Building where a reporter was killed, Marion Barry (DC Police got the largest pay raise in history thanks to Marion after the siege) was shot in the chest and a Special District building guard was shot and later died of a heart attack. These were the only casualties during the siege. We were filled with” Warrior Cops” only, they were primarily Army and Marine Viet Nam vets mostly “Grunts” with at least one combat tour, and a few Air Force and Navy vets as well. We were armed with Colt & S&W 4” .38 cal. revolvers, 870’s, .270 open rifles, and a couple of Uzi’s. The Muslims had Remington 1100 shotguns, Browning civilian/ hunting BAR semi-automatic high powered rifles, and some pistols. Once the DC Police got on the scene there were no more casualties. We turned a few conference tables placed on their side so we could move officers from one side of the marble hallway (ricochet issues) where the stairwell was, to offices on the other side where we had set up a couple officers w/ .270’s and shotguns over watching the council chambers, and others could wait and rest between there turns on the guns.
Things got particularly dicey for the hostages every time President Jimmy Carter spoke to the terrorists ( yes he did talk to them, and he really pissed them off):o. Ambassador’s from Iran (Zahedi was Elizabeth Taylors boyfriend at the time, and the Iranian Embassy was noted for parties that allegedly rivaled Rome’s in terms of pure debauchery) , Egypt and Pakistan. We were just down the street from FBI HQ and our Chief, Maurice Culliane would not allow the FBI HRT to play ( he told them to stuff it and they were literally frothing at the mouth they were so pissed they could not rush in withal their toys). We did get some very useful help from OGA’s mainly ISR stuff. We were about five minutes out from assaulting the Council Chambers when the bad guys listened to those ambassadors and gave up. We were patient, lucky and I think the officer’s combat experience gave them a much more mature outlook that saved lives. Most of us were basic Beat Cops and patrol officers. The DC Police Special Operations Division (SOD) recently renamed from the Civil Disturbance Unit (CDU) was in tactical control of the scene, and they were primarily trained to handle the many demonstrations that occurred almost daily. They did receive some extra weapons training but no SWAT training. When the bad guys gave up I was one of the officers that went in and hooked them up. When I took my guy down to stuff him in the Scout Car, I was greeted with a mass of media folks rushing at us that looked like the Oklahoma land rush. I was literally a Deer in the head lights of all the cameras and lights. I was so shocked, I “accidentally” hit the terrorist head against the Scout car a couple three times before I successfully got him into the car (that’s my story and I’m sticking to it). The hostages had been hog tied and placed over desks in preparation for beheading. The media were as usual complete a------s.
Prior to this event, most of us had been walking a beat. I was in SE DC, the Ghetto, no radios; we used call boxes on corners to call in our marks. We knew the folks, who belonged and who did not. I am white, and quickly learned how to become part of the community, develop “sources” and eventually folks would call 911 for me when I was fighting for my life in the middle of the street! We had several barricaded suspect situations that me, and my partner resolved without any help from anything resembling a SWAT team I had a Second Chance vest that my parents bought for me, the Department did not issue vests. Our issued sidearm was the .38 Special 4” S&W with 12 158grain round nose bullets; (most of us had speed loaders with Super Vels or hollow points in our pockets, JIC, highly illegal on the Department at the time). Those weapons are no longer practical in today’s environment but, the M-4’s and military gear will cause more problems than they solve. I do not like where policing has gone, my experience is that the individual officer is far more important than technology. The militzarization of American policing is a very disturbing trend. My experience is that a Cop has to get right in with the community, get to know them, become part of that community. Especially in the hood where, they want you to get the bad guys but not escalate the violence. The community supports the low profile approach that keeps them safe and not fearful of the cops. I had folks who committed serious assaults in different parts of town, wait until I came on to surrender to me because I had become part of the neighborhood and their families trusted me. If the current trends continue, the people will respond. The FBI investigated me for Civil Rights violations (only locking up African Americans). I told them I would lock up any white folks, if I could find any on my beat. The people on my beat basically told the Feeb’s to piss off and made no derogatory statements against me. Kicking in doors and terrorizing families, kids, shooting family pets occasionally may be required but my very limited experience is that less is usually more when working in communities that desperately need good policing.

Noslack

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True Cop
 

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Excellent post, NoSlack71! And it sounds to me like an excellent job in your career. As you pointed out, you "warrior cops" were actually true warriors - military men who "graduated" from the "school of very dangerous hard knocks" in Vietnam - and were therefore more mature both in age and emotionally. They knew the difference between real bad guys, the "run of the mill" bad guys on the street and the "normal" issues that cops face every day, and knew how to behave/react accordingly.

My Dad was also one of those good cops - both warrior (WWII Marine) and cop, but able to distinguish when each was called for. One one occasion, a nutcase was being transported to "Marlboro Country" [in NJ] w/a patrolman on watch in the ambulance, when the bad guy got out of his restraints, assaulted the officer, took his gun and shot him, as well as the ambulance driver, and managed to escape and holed up in a vacant farmhouse -- fully armed. Although a number of officers responded to the call at the farmhouse, none dared go in. It was left up to my father, who went in with the WWII vintage "schmeisser" that he sometimes used in training courses at the Middlesex County Police Academy where he was RangeMaster and instructor, to convince the nutcase (who had retreated to the upstairs) to throw the pistol down the stairs and come down with hands up, otherwise he [Dad] (who knew where the perp was by listening to his footsteps in the room above) would have cut a hole in the floor with the schmeisser and brought him down that way - in which case the perp certainly wouldn't have exited the farmhouse alive. That sucker complied without firing another shot. Nor did my father have to use the schmeisser.

I'm afraid the same cannot be said for what we have today. Too many have seen shows like "Flashpoint" and may have too much adrenalin running through them at the time that seems to short-circuit the rational functioning of the brain. Not that there weren't cases of "overkill" in years past perhaps due to a long vehicle chase and too much adrenalin; but it's a very different world we live in today from that world of 1977 (and yes, it almost seems a world away).

Not SWAT and definitely not a Warrior....Fire discipline? Practice your lead.....



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CASTLE ROCK, Colo. - A veteran Castle Rock police officer fired his rifle at a moving car full of burglary suspects, but hit another innocent vehicle in the process. The driver of that second car was a retired cop who thinks the shooting was reckless, but the town has supported the officer's decision to open fire.

In February, Mike Cardella and his wife were driving in their SUV in Castle Rock when they saw a police officer pointing a high-powered rifle along the road.

Cardella pulled over and noticed the officer intended to fire at another vehicle. He crouched over his wife in the front seat to protect her. Suddenly, the car rocked.

"We had been hit," Cardella told CALL7 Investigator John Ferrugia.

The high-powered round struck about 24 inches below the windshield on the driver's side.

A veteran Castle Rock police officer fired the shots at a vehicle driven by a burglary suspect -- Tshinbanda Kazadi -- with another alleged accomplice inside.

An arrest affidavit shows the officer believed the fast-moving vehicle and the two men inside to be a threat. Kazadi faces seven charges, including two counts of assault with felony "extreme indifference."

The Douglas County District Attorney's Office conducted a review of the incident that was obtained by CALL7 Investigators. The review, dated March 13, found that the officer broke no laws in firing his weapon because he said he felt he was in danger.

7NEWS is not naming the officer because he faces no charges.

"[The officer] reasonably believed that his own life, the lives of fellow officers, and the lives of the general public in the area were in imminent danger due to the actions of Kazadi," the review stated. "Kazadi's driving constituted an imminent use of deadly physical force."

The officer fired four to five shots from his AR-15 rifle and rotated and kept firing as the speeding vehicle passed, putting Cardella's vehicle into the line of fire, Cardella told Ferrugia.

"I screamed at my wife, Susan, grabbed her and pulled her down and covered her with my body," Cardella said.

Susan Cardella said the incident still haunts her and she's sought the help of a therapist to understand the trauma that she experienced that day.

"Are we okay?" Susan Cardella said. "I wasn't in pain, but my heart just started racing so hard I almost started blacking out, and I've never felt that before."

Mike Cardella said the initial response from the Town of Castle Rock was insulting. Lawyers from the town attempted to get him to sign a legal release stating that he didn't know who shot his vehicle and that he would not sue. Only after signing the release, he was told, would the town pay for his damages. That's when retained a lawyer to help get the money due him for damage to his tire.

Cardella, a retired Nevada police officer and state patrolman, added that in his more three decades of experience, he believes the Castle Rock officer's actions were reckless. Once the vehicle sped by the officer, the officer should have stopped firing because the direct threat to the officer had past, Cardella said.

He added that the officer could have instead used a shotgun in the situation – a weapon that has less range than an AR-15, noting that Daniel C. Oakes High School was also located in the line of fire, just beyond his SUV.

What frustrates Cardella is that officials did not release information on the incident to him.

"I want to know what the findings were," he said. "I wanted to be able to read the reports. I've got questions that need to be answered."

Castle Rock Police Chief Jack Cauley has refused to release records or answer any questions about the incident. In a statement, he claims an internal report found no problems with the officer's actions during the incident.

"The Castle Rock Police response during the above-referenced criminal episode, including the use of force, has been the subject of external and internal reviews and was found to be in conformance with Department policy and established law-enforcement protocols for use of force based on specific facts involved in this event," Cauley wrote in a statement to CALL7 Investigators. "Because these reports address specifics of the underlying crime and arrest for which there are pending charges in the Douglas County District Court, the reports may not be released at this time."

But Cauley refuses to explain how he came to the conclusion the shooting was justified after the vehicle was no longer a threat to the officer. The Call 7 Investigators have learned that defense lawyers already have all the detailed reports including that of a critical incident Investigation by outside police officers. So prosecutors, defense attorneys, and police all have information vital to public safety. Yet the police chief Jack Cauley insists he cannot comment.

Not my Baby!
 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...0,939906.story

I'm sure he was just getting the study notes for today from his classmates.

After all he is a college student

TacOffiicer, not gonna 2nd-guess the situation here but am curious about something. Is it normal for the FoP to be the one giving out statements to the press vs. the PD's own PAO?

About a year or two ago Pat Camden was the News Affairs officer for the Chicago Police Dept. He has since retired and observed the current news affairs officer was more concerned about carrying water for the mayor and appeasing the "element". Mr. Camden thus went to work for the FOP and provided his services. He's has a good rapport with the local media and is generally respected by most.

Interesting dynamic in play there. Thanks.

Take his weapon...

For those in a similar position find a super lawyer in your area before signing anything...

For more information on the referenced attack:

March 9, 1977: Hanafi Muslims siege DC hostages, kill 2

Give them the address to Capital Hill.

I didn't know where to post this; but this thread seems the most logical.

Four law-enforcement officers were wounded Friday in a suburb of Sacramento, Calif., during an attempt to take a wanted gang member into custody.

The shooting occurred in Roseville, a suburb about 20 miles northeast of the state capital.

Helicopters circled overhead and armored vehicles and other police cars flocked to the area following an initial report that a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent had been shot.

A sporadic gun battle lasted into the night and the commotion snarled traffic for hours. Police responded by setting up a checkpoint and pointing guns at motorists, as this Associated Press photo shows.

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Curious, I checked the Sacramento Bee for Oct. 25th. There was a photo gallery of 28 photos. The one below was #23 of 28. This does indeed look more than a little intimidating, that's why I thought it might have been staged; but apparently not, because the same two officers can be seen again in photo #20.

My question: I know that they were looking for a violent suspect who had apparently shot 4 officers; but is this really any way to do a roadblock check?
I also notice that the officer pointing the rifle does not have his finger on the trigger. Just being "safe"??? I'm confused at the behavior here. Can any of you QPs, or law enforcement personnel, advise whether this is SOP? (Seems guaranteed to piss off the law-abiding public if you ask me.)

Love the tub o' guts under the tactical helmet on the far side.

There is a steely eyed killer for you.

Und show me your paperz! Schnell!

TR

Kind of looks like Johnny Knoxville and Jackass.

Back Stop
 

Maybe the tub o' guts is the roving back stop. :munchin

Body bunker. :D

TR

Herre we go again:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/23...test+-+Text%29

TR

He lives in a rural area and: Are there no deaf people in Texas? Does shouting "Police!" make you a LEO?

When we were visited by sheriff deputies, a couple of weeks ago, they honked when they got within about 100'. ;)

Pat

RIP Officer, prayers for the family.

No details of the circumstances. Usual refrain from the offender "I didn't know".

Another article, little details:
http://www.officer.com/news/11284640...f-texas-deputy

I'd like to see a copy of the warrant and officers reports.

Me too, they need to ask themselves if this officers death was worth it. How bad an Hombre was this guy? What ever happened to just grabbing the guy when he came out doors?

Salinas police chief defends armored vehicle replacement
 

http://www.thecalifornian.com/apps/p...80046&gcheck=1

Somehow, I just don'tr see it being used like that very often.

More likely, it will be accidentally running into a lot of private property or being used to ram down doors/structures, just because it can.

TR

This thread reminds me of spirited discussion we had on active shooter few years back. Many mentioned Beslan scenario is coming. Well, when it does, wouldn't "militarization" of the PD allow them to stand a bit better chance against well-armed-ill-intentioned jihadis?

I must admit I'm more warm and fuzzy towards our PD brethern after taking few classes with them, and when PD is purchasing Barrett M107, 416, etc. one can't deny the direction of militarization. The Puerto Rico PD explained to me the SOP for the use of Barrett was for barricade and boat interdiction scenarios

I'm thinkin' a .243 or 30-06 and some practice...for close up a five round AR - but absolutely no ten inch barrels :D

Sounds like a "no knock, night servicable" search warrant. No announcement and served before 0700 hours. Still, little information as to how the DA came to that conclusion of charging the man for captial murder of a PO.

I wonder if it was that exreme then why wasn't SWAT Called out and if Sgt Sowders was wearing body armor and a helmet? My two cents is that when most non SWAT officers conduct warrants that they don't wear body armor and helmets due to complacy.

A Beslan scenario here will not be handled by local LE unless it goes critical before the Feds get there.

And there are very few local SWAT teams with sufficient manpower and talent to conduct that assault.

TR

And even if the feds arrive I'd expect few hostages to survive..... lawyers with guns (FBI) don't fair well in any gunfights.....

Who would a QP want to respond to the above incident?