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The Reaper 11-05-2005 22:18

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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
Change scares some people...:D

And some others shouldn't be allowed to play with guns or sharp objects.

TR

Huey14 11-05-2005 22:19

I'd be interested to hear you guys' thoughts on the Glock safety system. Good intentions gone bad?

Team Sergeant 11-06-2005 09:05

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Originally Posted by Huey14
I'd be interested to hear you guys' thoughts on the Glock safety system. Good intentions gone bad?

I'm glad you asked that Huey…..

It would seem that the glock safety system is as bad as the weapon itself. The police realizing that their weapons training is sorely lacking have "invented" safer glocks or methods to make the glock safer… such as the "NY Trigger" or simply keeping your trigger "out" of the trigger well until one is forced to fire.

(some will misinterpret this "keeping the finger out of the trigger well" as the same thing that is taught with the assault rifles, submachine guns, shotguns ets. Trust me when I say its not the same thing. With a long gun you usually have a second hand taking up a grip on the weapon system in a completely separate place, such as the hand guards. Aligning ones trigger finger along the upper side of the trigger guard of a shoulder fired weapon until forced to fire is a simple move due to the second hand placement, the relative “small” size of the handgrip and the grip angle makes the moving of the trigger finger easy and fast. With a pistol one must realign their grip in order to accomplish this same task. This is awkward at best as the movement of ones finger muscles will cause a "pushing" motion when moving the finger off the top of the trigger guard and into / onto the trigger. This will also move the gun out of alignment if done too quickly and if done too slowly in a gunfight, well you know what too slowly can do in a gunfight. How it should be taught is the placing the trigger finger into the trigger guard and onto the trigger as one is bringing a pistol to the firing position, so by the time your arms are level you are ready to fire.)

Personally I view these methods as a fix for an extremely poorly designed weapon system. (Would someone please tell me of another system that has been massed produced and that has had so many safety "fixes" as the glock?)

But my over all favorite is buying of "fluff masters" to sing the glocks praises and the gun "fluff masters" have eagerly stepped up to the challenge. From the national pistol "target" masters (as in they possess no civilian LEO experience or military experience yet they will sell their soul complementing a system that is worthless) to the so called real weapons masters that would sell their creditability for a chance to sing the glocks praises in a national recognized gun magazine and being well compensated to do so.

Again, I have never been compensated by anyone for endorsing a weapons system. These opinions are mine, and as you will see, they are some that will swear by the glock. IMO the glock is nothing more than a cheaply made mass produced piece of crap. BTW, I own one, I also teach police officers and needed one to learn what the law enforcement officers are learning and how to overcome the problems of a worthless handgun.

TS

Bob1984 11-06-2005 09:21

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Originally Posted by HOLLiS
I agree, smooth, clean and crisp, would probably be the words I would also use. IMHO too light of a trigger (hair triggar) is dangerous and uncertain. I think as it has been mentioned many times in the past on this board it is Training, Training, and more training along with experience. The quality of the shooter is more imporant than the fire arm or how it is set up.

I couldn't agree more, give a well-trained shooter a basically good weapon and opportunity for practice and you will get good results.

Huey14 11-07-2005 00:17

Thanks for the reply, TS. Very interesting.

The Reaper 11-07-2005 08:31

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Originally Posted by Bob1984
I couldn't agree more, give a well-trained shooter a basically good weapon and opportunity for practice and you will get good results.

I disagree.

Perfect practice makes perfect.

Poor practice ingrains bad habits that will take thousands of rounds to overcome.

TR


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