he's neutered...if i start working on my German, i may have major problems with the distaff member of the household...:D

Anyone remember "Rudy", who rode around on a small moped.

Rudy had a stroke in the late 70's and his speech was bad but a super nice gentlemen. He led us on a hike that the SS took at the onset of Patton’s forces northward. He was on a U-boat during WWII, was proud of being German but not proud of what Hitler did. By the way, his U-boat was shot out from underneath him two times. LUCKY!

He gave my daughter several gifts when she was very young. He was always so gentle and kind each time he held her.

Question
 

MM,
Would this be Platoon Confidence Training?

most likely...

I'd love to go back, too...especially for a Grunerbrau. The last time I was by there was in 1993 and the place was deserted. Eerie. However, this summer my wife and I will be in Scotland for a week (I'm of Scots ancestry--clans Hay and Murray) and then on to Barcelona to meet friends with whom we will drive to Pamplona to run with the bulls (Fiesta de San Fermin) before we get any older and need to enter the wheelchair division.

Richard

Affirmative. The platoon confidence training used to be at the Sachsenkam training/firing range.

Grünerbräu is not what it used to be, they were bought out by another brewery. May I suggest a Kloster Reitberg Weissbier instead ? :D

Yes, 1st Bn. moved up to Panzer in 1991, Flint was deserted then until they put that new shopping mall and offices in there...

A reunion would be great, I came up with that idea after talking to Brad and I posted it awhile ago.

Great training
 

I attended the course back in 85. I thought the training was excellent! At that point the cadre were from the Ranger Training Regiment rather than SF. Why did the course change hands? Do you know the history of who taught and when? Just curious.

When I was in Bad Tolz '76-'78, the PCT at Camp Worden was cadre'd by non-SF "Victors" from VII (US) Corps within USAREUR.

Richard

when i arrived in '80, the cadre was half Batt-boys and half SF guys with tabs...i damn near wound up out there as a Captain...

I attended PCT in '89 with a platoon of 12B engineers...it was a blast and we came very close to maxing the course points-wise. Those were the days!

Combat Engineers = the smart grunts!:lifter

When I helped out there the cadre was staffed by operators from Flint Kaserne (about 70%) and volunteers from other units as well as the local police and some Bundeswehr guys from the Kaserne in Lenggries.

PCT was decent training and when we used to run OPFOR for Purdy it was pretty much all former Batt Boys on his staff. That was in 1985. The Purd was an original and pulled no punches. During the course, I personally watched him relieve the entire NCO staff of a platoon and assigned E-4s in their place. The platoon was a 19D unit from up north and they were pretty dysfunctional once the pressure began to be applied. Never thought I see a soldier dressed in full combat load break down and literally sob in a training scenario on a land navigation course, but it happened. :rolleyes:

I worked there for a time, under SFC / 1SG Purdy. I had my three tabs at the time, and CPT Leonard Dodd was the boss man when I got there and CPT Byron Conover took over later. We worked very well together and it was a blast.

Byron and i commanded mountain detachments in B Company...good man...

I met the man briefly while at PCT but he left impressions that will last a lifetime. The best NCO I saw during my TIS.

Anyone here read this before?

Purdy on Leadership

by Don Purdy
CSM, USA (Retired)

1) Some senior NCOs are nothing more than bootlickers, who sing the "Army of One" song to their superior officers everyday. Commanders need to hear the good, bad and the ugly, and then be given good solid recommendations. They need their senior NCOs to be TRAINERS. LEAD BY EXAMPLE. DO as the troops do. LEAD FROM THE FRONT. GET IN THE DIRT. This bullshit of "I have done that" is garbage. What you are doing now is what counts. Quit worrying about your next assignment. Focus on your mission now. Your mission is to train soldiers for war, and it's damned hard work. If you do it right you will leave the Army in worse shape physically than when you came in. BE HARD BUT FAIR. You must have MORAL COURAGE.

2) Training is just a word they can't spell. Chief trainer means chief bootlicker. TICKET PUNCHERS.

3) "Moral courage" means telling your commander what he wants to hear these days. I was condemned by my peers and superiors for speaking up, and telling it like it was. I was called a relic from the past that should be put in a glass case. I was focused on training for war not peace. Discipline was my watchword, and the soldiers did not decide what punishment was right or wrong where I served as CSM. I was the Chief Trainer. The buck stopped with me. I participated in all training and lead by example. I was told by a Division CSM that I would never serve above BN level because I was too intrusive. That means I scared commanders with the truth. The next thing he asked was why do you train with your soldiers? The question was shocking, but the answer was simple. When I speak everyone listens. That went over his head like a tent. I carried a rifle not a pistol, and I damn well knew how to use that weapon and my soldiers knew how to use their weapons as well.

4) Combatives are important. Boxing, wrestling, and bayonet fighting are not antiquated. CQB is just what it means, Close Quarter Battle. MOUT, Trench systems, and bunkers must be cleared, and you had better be aggressive and prepared to do bayonet or hand to hand fighting. When others were laughing at my unit for doing these, my soldiers were prepared and understood what "fix bayonets" meant. They were aggressive and well disciplined. Substandard performers were put out immediately. My First Sergeants were not mail men or chow deliverers; they were the Chief Trainers of their companies.

5) We trained for war not peace. Live fires were a priority, and were not canned. Leaders and soldiers had to react. Maneuver elements maneuvered, and had to rely on the SBF not to shoot them but only the enemy. Bayonets were fixed and there were dummy targets for the soldiers engage with those bayonets. Re-supply missions were planned and executed. The battlefield had to be policed of casualties, and equipment by any means available, even if it meant driving vehicles cross country, or physically carrying the wounded. Reload drills, dead gunner drills, and crew drills were executed over, and over, and over again. These were executed day and night. NODS went on your face when the sun went down. They weren't hanging around your neck. We executed live fires at night with NODS in the woods, and the live fires were not canned. Raids, ambushes, search and attack were all executed at night up to company size. This took us over one year to get to that level. Mortars could hit their targets. Units could move silently day or night, and didn't get lost. We did not rely on GPS. WE USED MAPS AND COMPASSES. We lived out of our rucksacks, slept on the ground, in all types of weather from the BN CMDR on down. Frostbite, and heat casualties were not common because we trained to live and fight in the same environment. We did not look like bums. We shaved every day, wore our equipment properly, camouflaged our faces (and hands when necessary), soldiers knew how to maintain themselves and their equipment in the field, and uniformity was important. Soldiers knew what a cat hole was and trash was carried in their rucks, not thrown on the ground or buried for the hogs to dig up. Uniforms were worn properly. The companies received one hot meal a day and understood how to conduct tactical feeding. Our cooks knew how to function in the environment. The combat trains did not live in tents. Their perimeter was secure, weapons were clean, and noise and light discipline were maintained. Cooks, clerks, and all other support personnel knew how to use their weapons, and were trained on basic Infantry skills. Misfires were damn well rare and punishment was swift when it did happen. We suffered no live fire deaths because we trained properly, and used good old-fashioned common sense. We never had the soldiers execute missions they were not properly trained for. The NCOs trained the soldiers; the officers commanded. Our motto was "what ever you do, do it right!" Rate of sick call in the field was almost zero. Morale was high because of good, hard leadership from the front, and realistic, tough training. We even executed a day of live fire training during support cycles. You need a strong CSM who understands discipline and training. He can talk it and walk it.

6) There is no such thing as a good field soldier. You are either a soldier or not a soldier. Everything from appearance to police call is important. This bullshit about my space and my rights is just that: BULLSHIT. Barracks are not his or her home; it's a place for them to live. For saying this I was told I had a mess kit mentality. This individuality BS of "I need my own room" is garbage. We waste more money building these Condos so soldiers can feel good, and not be part of a team; its sickening. They should live in fire team bays. It builds cohesion. Key control alone is a nightmare. "Of course don't bother the poor soldier, just let him live like a pig. When he gets sick or you find out he or she is a drug dealer, blame
it on the NCO Corps even though you, the illustrious battalion commander and brigade commander, said 'leave the soldiers alone in their precious rooms.' " Soldiers are owed a place to sleep, their pay, and the best leadership and training that can be provided.

7) DISCIPLINE is the key. DRILL AND CEREMONY is the foundation of discipline. When I say fall in I want to hear your heals coming together. When I speak, you jump. All ceremonies should be executed with weapons so each unit can execute the 15-count manual of arms. Carrying a card around in your pocket does not develop good morals. Morals are developed through solid leadership not gimmicks and headgear.

8) You want to be politically correct, stay on the block. You want to be different or an individual looking to be a victim, stay on the block. If you're a pervert and proud of it, stay on the block. You want to be a soldier, then become part of a disciplined team. This is not a job, it's a profession. You're here to fight our country's war, not to be a gut-eating, self-serving individual. Senior Officers, and NCOs, I am telling you right now, if things don't change, you will have the blood of soldiers on your hands. There is an enemy out there who is determined, and he is not concerned about individual feelings, or time out. If you don't train them hard now, and demand from them now what in the hell do you think the enemy is going to do to them. If they can't take the heat in training, how are they going to take it on the battlefield? Technology, my ass, soldiers win wars. Be hard on them now or watch them die, or worse, break and run. BE HARD, BUT FAIR! Being fair does not mean they dictate punishment or babying them. A Russian General said "Hard on the training field, easy, on the battlefield". General Patton said "Leading from the rear is like trying to push spaghetti up hill." You want your soldiers to respect you not love you. When they look at you they should see a competent leader. The best compliment I ever received was from a soldier who was PCSing. I was a PLT Sergeant in the First Ranger Battalion. He said,"Sergeant Purdy, I hated to hear you come in, in the morning, and some times I just flat hated you, but I would follow you to hell with gasoline drawers on."

[QUOTE=sg1987]
by Don Purdy
CSM, USA (Retired)

1) Some senior NCOs are nothing more than bootlickers, who sing the "Army of One" song to their superior officers everyday. Commanders need to hear the good, bad and the ugly, and then be given good solid recommendations. They need their senior NCOs to be TRAINERS. LEAD BY EXAMPLE. DO as the troops do. LEAD FROM THE FRONT. GET IN THE DIRT. This bullshit of "I have done that" is garbage. What you are doing now is what counts. Quit worrying about your next assignment. Focus on your mission now. Your mission is to train soldiers for war, and it's damned hard work. If you do it right you will leave the Army in worse shape physically than when you came in. BE HARD BUT FAIR. You must have MORAL COURAGE.
QUOTE]



He lived #1 and I can personally attest to this. During every cycle, he ran with many of the patrols, even during the winter phases. He was the NCOIC, thus it would have been easy for him to rely on his staff and not have gone out so much, but he did. One late night I watched him strap a ruck onto his front side while carrying a ruck on his back after a student went down as a result of a twisted ankle. He did this while on the final portion of a graded 2 day patrol. He humped those two rucks for the rest of the night though 3-5 inches of snow. Thus he really did walk the talk.

That Reunion
 

Did that reunion that was mentioned in this thread ever execute? I wish I would have known about this site earlier. I live half the year up in Hamburg with my future wife. If it got delayed till this year would also like to know. Maybe I can spirit my butt out of Hungary and show up.

There are a bunch of former 10th guys and attachments that make a ski trip to Europe every year and base out of Gaissach. They stay at that Gasthof mentioned earlier but I don't recall the name. I keep meaning to make it but work gets in the way.

If you are ever in the Toelz area stop by die alte Kaserne for a Weissbier at the Gaststaette zur Flint Kaserne which lies in the area where the NCO Academy used to be. It was cool to drink one more there.

Al

Al,

first of all: Welcome ! :cool:

I was suggesting a reunion thing, but so far it didn't happen. Would be great to see some 10th guys down here again.

Let me know when you get in the area ! Would be great to have a beer or two and talk about the days...

Mike

Maybe in the Summer
 

Mike

Well, I got turned onto this site ein Bissle spaet.

Ich war letzes Monat in GAP. Machte Skifahren auf der Hausberg mit miener Verlobte.

Ich fliege nach Hamburg fuer 1. Mai aber wir reisen in Daenemark.

Vielleicht im Sommer.

Al

Al,

the "bissle spät" gives away your time in BB... :D

Skiing in GAP, nice ! I like what they did with the Hotel and everything down there. Since I quit skiing about 15 years ago I only see GAP in summertime when I ride my motorcycle around the Zugspitze and into Tyrol (for the cheap gas... LOL).

Sag mir Bescheid wenn Du im Sommer hier bist ! Wir können dann ein Bier trinken gehen. :cool:

Am Freitag fliege ich nach Wichita, KS. um einen alten Freund von der Polizei dort zu besuchen.

Viele Grüsse !

Mike

Mike

Yeah, spent a couple of years in BB too!

We didn't stay in the Edelweiss. We stayed in a Gasthaus in Wallgau. I didn't even go check it out. The new Seilbahn on the Hausberg was interesting though. Got rid of the old big cabins and got a bunch of little ones.

Al,

I didn't even know they put new cabins on the Seilbahn there... I know the aerial tramway, but never took a closer look at it. LOL

Let me know next time you are here ! Wallgau is great, a fellow cop that I used to work with lives there. Nicccee....:D

Al,

Mike here, your new neighbor in Budapest. The family is going to Garmisch in December for some rest and skiing. My daughter is on her second year of snowboarding so she should enjoy the AO. Come up and see us sometime as I really get tired of driving to your location:)

Mike

Jatekos:

Please follow the instructions you received in your registration message (and posted in the stickies) and introduce yourself in the proper place so that we know who you are.

TR

One of these days...
 

Hey Mike

I will get up there one of these days soon. We are going to Szeged this weekend.

So can you get me a special deal at the hotels? :D

PM me on that...

Havin' a good time down here.

Al

I have great memories of Toelz and Bavaria. I hope one of these days I'll be able to visit the area again. I know all the changes that have happened to Flint Kaserne.
I learned to ski on the Spitzing in Neuhaus and brown baggers hill Flint Kaserne, ski patrolled on the Brauneck and in Garmisch. Went to Munich American High School (50's) every day on the train. Then I joined the Army and went back (60's) to the 10th for several years. Great times in Toelz and Lenggris.

My last trip to Tölz was in 1988 for the 35th reunion. I hope to make a trip there this fall and get a first hand look at the way a piece of History was destroyed.

Bad Toelz Bound
 

Mike

Ich, die Frau und Tochter kommen im August nach Bad Toelz.

When things get locked in I will get you my Deutsche Vodaphone Handynummer.

We're looking for a Ferienwohnung in area (Toelz, Lengries, Bad Heilbrunn, usw). Got any reccomendations of a reasonably priced place?

During the day I will be teaching the daughter rockclimbing... Assuming I can still lug this old butt up the rocks... I am sure we could hook up for a Bier oder zwei auch. You going to be around?

Al

Al,

roger that last. Ich bin im August hier, bis auf ein Wochenende (8.-10. August), da bin ich in Münster auf dem Black Mustang Club Treffen.

Sehr gut, ich habe auch ein deutsches Vodafone Telefon, the minutes are cheaper then.

As for a Ferienwohnung in Tölz/Lengries/Bad Heilbrunn area, I will check with my local contacts there and let you know by PM what I have investigated. What's the exact timeframe we are looking at ?

We will definitely hook up for a beer, oder zwei, oder drei. Ich bringe vielleicht meine Frau mit, als designated driver. Not smart to drive a 370hp Mustang after a couple of Weißbier... LOL

Mike

Ich spreche diesem Wochenende mit meiner Frau, hoffentlich ein Plan zu machen. Ich melde Dich doch bald durch PM.

Roger that last !

Toelzer Urlaub im August
 

Mike (and any other 10th Groupers)

I will be in Toelz 8-15 August for some climbing and Spass.

Would like to get together at the Gaststatte zur Flint Kaserne (if it is still there in the old NCO Academy area).

Sent you a PM with Handy number.

Al

Al, roger that last. PM'd you back with cell phone #.

I'm not sure if the Wirtschaft is still there... Will check and advise.

See you in Tölz !

Mike

Edit: Just found out, the Gaststätte is still there:

de junker schulen toelz photo
 

I have a 1937 photo of Toelz if anyone wants it e-mail me.

Some Tolz Graphics
 

I have more...

I have a load of pics, taken over the years.

Great pics guys. Like a time machine. Just transports one back as if like yesterday.

Brad, I have a ton of pics. If you care I can put them on a CD and throw 'em in the mail (if your computer works again, that is. LOL).

Mike

MM,

Throw some dates to those pictures. I was there from 1982 - 1985, the very best assignment in my 29 year career.

TOG,

the photos above are from the Desert Storm timeframe, I do have some older material also that I can't date exactely since I received them from a 3rd party. There is material from the 60's up to the early 90's when Group moved from Tölz to Böblingen.

MM