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The suspect isn't cooperating but yet "they" already know why he shot the congresswoman. How? What insight do they have? This incident is less than 24 hours old but yet the "cause" is already known!

What ever happened to personal accountability?

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Originally Posted by wet dog (Post 368070)

I know very clearly who the enemies of America are, do you?

I suppose the opposition should be more willing to just sit down, listen to different viewpoints, and empathize with others...just like Earth Liberation Front (ELF), PETA activists, and the anti-WTO "peaceniks". (My point being that there are fricken whackos all over the US and the Secret Service deals with these nut jobs all the time. I do not believe that the Congresswoman was targeted because she was a Democrat but rather because the shooter was from AZ and he disagreed with her viewpoints, which were publicized. IMO, this was simply about opportunity and availability.)

(from Fox)

WASHINGTON – The second-ranking House Democrat says the attack on an Arizona congresswoman can't help but have a chilling effect on lawmakers.

Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland says his colleagues in Congress have been very concerned about confrontations and growing anger they've seen in the political environment in the past few years.

Hoyer tells CBS' "Face the Nation" that many information outlets today are inciting people to anger. He warns those in politics, the media and the public square that their words can have consequences, and he urges people with differences to be civil.

In Tucson, Ariz., on Saturday, Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was critically wounded while meeting with constituents.

It's sad when a psychotic punk kills a bunch of innocent people.

What's worse is everyone that uses that very sad situation and twists it to their advantage.

That punk is sick, the indivuduals that "use" the situation are sicker.

TS

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 368093)

Very well said TS Sir!

Thoughts and prayers out to those innocent victims...9 years old is too young to die.:(

May the punk die a slow, painful death...

Holly:munchin

Please don't get me wrong: the shooting in Arizona is tragic and has clearly devastated the families of all those effected by this senseless act.

I submit the following and question is a federal judge a principle figure of the US Government?

USC TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 7

§ 7. Position and manner of display

(m) The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. On Memorial Day the flag should be displayed at half-staff until noon only, then raised to the top of the staff. By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States or the death of a member of the Armed Forces from any State, territory, or possession who dies while serving on active duty, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff, and the same authority is provided to the Mayor of the District of Columbia with respect to present or former officials of the District of Columbia and members of the Armed Forces from the District of Columbia. When the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, or the Mayor of the District of Columbia, issues a proclamation under the preceding sentence that the National flag be flown at half-staff in that State, territory, or possession or in the District of Columbia because of the death of a member of the Armed Forces, the National flag flown at any Federal installation or facility in the area covered by that proclamation shall be flown at half-staff consistent with that proclamation. The flag shall be flown at half-staff 30 days from the death of the President or a former President; 10 days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress. The flag shall be flown at half-staff on Peace Officers Memorial Day, unless that day is also Armed Forces Day.

And what makes you think.......

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Originally Posted by trvlr (Post 368078)

..........Media wise, this is a perfect storm for moderate to left leaning media outlets. They've been trying to assert for years now that Palin's crowd is full of psychologically unstable people. They've been saying the same about the tea party.

This is the first major incident of deadly violence perpetrated by someone that they can claim is loyal to both camps. "See, how could Palin put cross hairs over her district knowing that one of her crazy followers is going to interpret that as a fatwa."............

And what makes you think he was a Tea Party Palin supporter?

Not too many of them think burning an American Flag is a cool thing nor do they think Marx and Hitler were great authors.

But hey, he is white sooooooooooo................

http://spectator.org/blog/2011/01/09...s-it-was-a-col

http://azdailysun.com/news/local/sta...06174e1fe.html

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 368115)

And what makes you think he was a Tea Party Palin supporter?

Not too many of them think burning an American Flag is a cool thing nor do they think Marx and Hitler were great authors.

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Originally Posted by trvlr (Post 368078)

This is the first major incident of deadly violence perpetrated by someone that they can claim is loyal to both camps. "See, how could Palin put cross hairs over her district knowing that one of her crazy followers is going to interpret that as a fatwa."n

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Originally Posted by Dusty (Post 368082)

Agreed.
I assume you watch Fox news and listen to Limbaugh? Because I don't talk shit about Huffpo without clicking on it often enough to see what kind of maniacal BS they're currently spreading around.

I do watch fox, and msnbc, and cnn, and the rest. I try to get as much information as I can. Like you said, lots of it from both sides is pure cow patty.

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Originally Posted by trvlr (Post 368120)

I have no idea what he is or isn't. I'm saying that's the main spin a lot of news organizations and message boards are trying to put on him. I'll wait until the basic facts come out before I make up my mind.

I do watch fox, and msnbc, and cnn, and the rest. I try to get as much information as I can. Like you said, lots of it from both sides is pure cow patty.

So what you are saying that truth does not matter to the LameStreamMedia and the sheeple lap up whatever they dish up?

It is quite clear the LSM - once it finds out a shooter is one of it's own and the views wise up - quickly drop the story for whats hot in Holleywood.

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 368123)

Yes. If they find that he isn't what they thought he was, he'll drop off the radar.

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Originally Posted by Dusty (Post 368133)

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/09...er-to-trouble/

Believe somone a few posts' back mentioned that the MSM would report first, and then check the facts...So true!!!:confused:

They should seriously check themselves...for ticks!

Holly:munchin

CNN

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But those on the liberal left who -- in the first few hours after the shooting rushed to blame the tragedy on right-wing talk radio, the Tea Party movement and even potential 2012 GOP presidential hopeful Sarah Palin -- have at least two things standing in their way.
First, Giffords is a Democrat but she is a conservative one. In fact, on issues such as immigration, she was often criticized for not being liberal enough for some Democratic constituents. After U.S. District Court Judge Susan Bolton struck down much of SB 1070, Arizona's immigration law, Giffords issued a statement insisting that the law had been passed "because we were fed up with years of federal inaction and neglect."
Republican Gov. Jan Brewer also likes to blame Washington for a situation that Arizonans visited upon themselves by hiring illegal immigrants. It's not true.
There are now more than 4,000 Border Patrol agents stationed on the Arizona-Mexico border. And in the past two years, the Obama administration has deported nearly 800,000 illegal immigrants, a new record.
Secondly, just as Giffords isn't exactly a left winger, it's also far from clear that Loughner is a right winger.
Caitie Parker, who said she knows Loughner from high school and college, tweeted: "He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was 'stupid & unintelligent.' She later added in another tweet, "As I knew him, he was left wing, quite liberal and oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy."

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Originally Posted by MTN Medic (Post 368149)

CNN

Giffords is a Democrat but she is a conservative one. In fact, on issues such as immigration, she was often criticized for not being liberal enough for some Democratic constituents. After U.S. District Court Judge Susan Bolton struck down much of SB 1070, Arizona's immigration law, Giffords issued a statement insisting that the law had been passed "because we were fed up with years of federal inaction and neglect."

IMO, it is Giffords's pragamtic, moderate, result oriented stance on a wide range of issues that makes the plot to assassinate her especially disturbing.

You people are killing me..... how does anyone know what the PUNK had in mind other than he wanted to kill a lot of innocent people and went to the grocery store to do so?

Please speculate away..... :rolleyes:

Source is here.

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Cops: Suspected Ariz. Gunman Wrote "I Planned Ahead"
Investigators exploring link to anti-government group.

KTLA News

2:03 PM PST, January 9, 2011

TUSCON, Ariz ( KTLA) -- Federal prosecutors filed charges against alleged Tucson gunman Jared Lee Loughner on Sunday.

Loughner, 22, faces one count of attempted assassination of member of Congress, two counts of killing an employee of the federal government and two counts of attempting to killing a federal employee.

Investigators say they served a search warrant at Loughner's home, and found evidence suggesting he planned ahead.

The evidence included an envelope from a safe with messages such as "I planned ahead," "My assassination" and the name "Giffords" next to what appears to be the man's signature.

He allegedly purchased the Glock pistol used in the attack in November at Sportsman's Warehouse in Tucson.

Court documents also show that Loughner had contact with Giffords in the past.

Other evidence included a letter addressed to him from Giffords' congressional stationery in which she thanked him for attending a "Congress on your Corner" event at a mall in Tucson in 2007.

Investigators are now looking at a possible connection between the alleged gunman and an online group known for its anti-government rhetoric, an official familiar with the investigation told the Associated Press.

The group, called American Renaissance, is connected to the white supremacist New Century Foundation, according to an analysis by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Loughner's online postings reveal strong anti-government beliefs.

He has been described as a politically radical loner, who had been rejected by the military, and often disrupted his college classes.

Neighbors said Loughner wasn't hostile, but often kept to himself.

"He was a guy in high school who definitely had his opinions on stuff and didn't seem to care what people thought of him," Grant Wiens, 22, told The Associated Press. Wiens went to high school and had a class at Pima Community College with Loughner.

Wiens also told the Associated Pres that Loughner used to speak critically about religion, and liked to smoke pot.

Lynda Sorenson, who took a math class with Loughner last summer at Pima Community College's Northwest campus, told the Arizona Daily Star he was "obviously very disturbed."

"He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts," she said.

Federal officials are now examining a MySpace page that belonged to Loughner, as well as a YouTube videos published under the account "Classitup10," which has been linked to him.

Authorities say the MySpace page contained mysterious "Goodbye friends" messages that were posted hours before the shooting. On the page, which was removed right after Loughner was identified by police, he also reportedly asked his friends to "Please don't be mad at me."

Loughner also railed about the lack of literacy where he lived.

"The majority of people, who reside in District-8 are illiterate hilarious," he wrote on his MySpace page. "I don't control your English grammar structure, but you control your English grammar structure," he said.

In a Dec. 15 YouTube video, Loughner describes himself as a U.S. military recruit.

The Army has released a statement indicating Loughner was not accepted.

Also on his YouTube page were several ranting videos. In one, Loughner wrote: "If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem. You call me a terrorist. Thus, the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem."

There are unconfirmed reports that Loughner once met with Rep. Giffords in 2007. A former high school friend said that he had often talked about meeting and talking with the congresswoman.

Arizona court records show Loughner has twice been charged with previous offenses. The first, in October 2007, related to the possession of drug paraphernalia. It was unclear what the second, a year later, related to. Both charges were dismissed after Loughner completed a "diversion program".

People who knew him described him as philosophical, a person who read a lot of books. On his YouTube page, Loughner listed among his favorite books "The Communist Manifesto," "Siddhartha," "The Old Man And The Sea," "Gulliver's Travels," "Mein Kampf," "The Republic" and "Meno."

One former high school friend Tweeted about knowing the accused gunman:

"He was a pot head and into rock, like Hendrix, The Doors, Anti-Flag," she wrote. "I haven't seen him in person since 2007 in a sign language class. As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal and oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy. He had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in 2006 and dropped out of school. Mainly a loner, very philosophical."

Loughner was taken into custody at the scene after being subdued by several bystanders.

Police now say Loughner acted alone.

Authorities were initially looking for another man they thought was a possible accomplice, but they've since cleared the man. Police had been searching for him because he was captured on the store's security cameras near the gunman.

They now say he was a cab driver who drove Loughner to the grocery store.

The man apparently went inside the grocery store to look for Loughner, because he had not paid his fare.

TS, they're coming after your USPs.

So the House is going to take things easy because of Tuscon:

House action postponed next week
mug.cnnpolitics By: CNN Political Unit

(CNN) - Following the shootings Saturday in Tucson, Arizona, all legislation on the House schedule for the coming week is postponed, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor announced in a statement.

Cantor said the decision was made by leaders of both political parties in the House so that "we can take whatever actions may be necessary in light of today's tragedy." The schedule change means the House will not vote next week on the repeal of health care reform.

"I couldn't agree more with (House) Speaker (John) Boehner, who earlier said that, 'an attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve,'" Cantor said in Saturday's statement. "Along with our nation, this institution has suffered a horrible tragedy. We are saddened, mourn those who lost their lives, and stand together in hopeful prayer for the recovery of the victims and their families."

– CNN Senior Congressional Correspondent Dana Bash contributed to this report

Or are they?

Fox

One of the fiercest gun-control advocates in Congress, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), pounced on the shooting massacre in Tucson Sunday, promising to introduce legislation as soon as Monday.

McCarthy ran for Congress after her husband was gunned down and her son seriously injured in a Long Island shooting in 1993.

"My staff is working on looking at the different legislation fixes that we might be able to do and we might be able to introduce as early as tomorrow," McCarthy told POLITICO in a Sunday afternoon phone interview.

Changing topics a bit:

This is on the Washington Post website.

A trail of heated political rhetoric
By Scott Wilson and Emi Kolawole

Overheated political rhetoric is as much a staple of American democracy as Lincoln Day Dinners and rubber-chicken fund-raisers. But the 2010 election cycle, which unfolded as the nation faced a historic economic recession, reverberated with some particularly incendiary language, symbols and advertising. They are now being re-examined following the deadly mass shooting in Tucson that targeted Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) Here is a collection of some of the more inflammatory rhetoric over the last two years:

On June 23, 2008, then-candidate Obama warned Democratic donors that the campaign could get ugly. During a Philadelphia fundraiser, Obama riffed off of the mob drama "The Untouchables," saying, "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun ... Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans."