Tenure does not exist in nature.

The beauty or horror of America depending on one's perspective, is the "dirt herder's" kids might well on merit surpass the outcome of kid's whose parents ancestors came over on the Mayflower. Maybe they are smarter, or luckier, maybe they just study harder, who knows the explanation. Folks with deep generational American roots start running the race with a relative inherent cultural and often language advantage, do they have the right to cry foul if surpassed? Respect for those who have served in defense of our country obviously makes sense, but this is not an experience confined to natural born citizens. Other than the constraint on Presidential eligibility, what is the rational basis for distinction between law abiding native born and naturalized US citizens?

I agree, but why do they use their new powers and freedoms to transform their new home into the same shithole they came from?

Rise of Islam in France
 

This alarming trend is also happening in the UK. I think it's a problem of a desire to immigrate, yet not assimilate. In the UK there are large communities of Muslims that have no desire to be come British and are even attempting to establish their own councils that answer only to Sharia law.

I don't think there's a devious master plan coming out of the middle east, but this is a western trend we'd be foolish not to watch. To paraphrase a wise man, the Constitution shouldn't become a suicide pact.

It's not only that, it's the fact that they don't really have any useful skills. I know that when I immigrated with my parents and even though we were considered "refugees" under a certain clause, they wanted to see what skills my parents offered.

Now THAT is a hell of an assumption.

Again, you need to look at the trend of second-generation immigrants becoming violent fundamentalists.

IMHO, failure to assimilate is a root cause.

How do we help them to assimilate?

What do we do with the ones who do not?

TR

Does the French society make it easy to assimilate? How did the 1st generation immigrants fare? If not, then as a response, the Frenchmen/women began to show disdain for immigrants from predominantly Muslim nations. As a response, the immigrant youth decided that this nation does not want them and thus we see these neighborhoods form that are hostile to anyone that is not of their own kind.

Throwing them out for failure to assimilate would be a problem since what would the legal basis be? Sure you can throw out the ones that have actively called for terrorist attacks in France but you can't do anything legally against the rest.

Do we have any international lawyers on this board?

I think the chances of escalation to violence increases in direct proportion to the number of Muslims present in a particular part of a city or borough and to a degree how emboldened they have become related to the governments lack of response to their actions. I believe obnoxious group behavior like the activity shown in the video(blocking traffic in order to pray) will escalate into violence when it suits the purpose of the leaders of this Islamic movement and furthers their agenda.

However, this is obviously pure speculation on my part. I have no Leo experience and still get nervous when I see one behind me while I'm driving. :D

However, I find it interesting the direction of the responses in this thread mostly focus on the individual Muslim's journey etc. . I would suggest that the video in question presents a very different image. I see it pointing to an organized effort. The question is, to what purpose? Joe Middle Eastern immigrant may have come to this country largely due to an individual decision as an effort to better his family, etc., but can we disregard the option that there is a barely shrouded hand directing an organized movement involving knowing and unknowing participants?

From my humble desk I get the feeling that the Islam movement, with organizations like CARE running interference, is making progress towards reaching it's goal. The real question isn't, do these individuals drink beer and hey are they just regular guys, but is there a conscience effort to further an agenda through the actions of coordinated groups? Furthermore, is the agenda or goal of their coordinated effort something extremely detrimental to our Country?

The threshold point of consideration becomes, How do we fight this insidious movement without tearing up the fabric of our rich history of religious and individual freedoms?

You can't, it will tear the fabric of this nation at all seams, it will get very messy, families will suffer, women and child will die, young boys will fight, the old and infirmed will be victimized.

Civil unrest,

....then....

we pick ourselves up, dust off the dirt and blood, and get back to living.

Take the collective human experience, find all trends, make your own conclusions.

The earth will remain.

As an investor who merely holds a single share in this planet and based on the historical record, I have come to have very little faith in the competency of its CEO when it comes to such matters...but remain committed to seeing that the division of which I am a part remains as productive as possible.

And so it goes...

Richard :munchin

No; the French, Swiss, Italians, and Austrians are some of the worst discriminators in Europe. Their governments allow political asylum seekers to come there and they've allowed foreign workers to immigrate, but in the end, the general population discriminates just like anywhere else. It's difficult for young foreigners to find decent employment after they've arrived or to better themselves by higher education or vocational training. As with the thousands of Turks who've immigrated and tried to assimilate into German society over the years, it didn't work. Angela Merkel even admitted the fact to the world.

Had the Europeans had a little more foresight they wouldn't be facing these problems today.

It's called taking over or in the case of illegal Mexican immigration, 'Reconquesta'. Go to some ares of Los Angeles or elsewhere in California and look at some of the neighborhoods. I've been here for nearly five decades and I've noticed the changes. The city and county code enforcement officals have plenty of work in those places.

'Shithole' is correct.

The 'powers that be' have nothing to do with this dynamic?:rolleyes:

I thought I'd break my silence to join in here. This is exactly true. To understand Europe's, and especially France's, problem with Muslim immigrants you have to go back to the end of WW2 and the colonial period.

The short version is this: WW2 depleted Europe's manpower. The Marshall plan ignited the engines of growth in the continent, thus dramatically increasing the demand for labor. Because the Europeans (with their "superior culture") had killed off such a big proportion of their working-age population, they had to import labor. In France, North Africa and Turkey were the two most convenient areas. As others have mentioned, the low birth-rate of Europeans has maintained this deficit of labor.

However, the French never made any attempt to draw their immigrant workers into French society. They kept them at arm's length in the Banlieues ('burbs/ghettos) and designed two separate social systems, one for their French citizens and one for their workers. The 8 weeks of vacation, permanent employment, and all the other luxuries of life in France are only made possible due to the exploitation of the immigrant classes, who enjoy none of the benefits that native French do. It should be no surprise that these neighborhoods have become breading grounds of resentment; the French are reaping what they have sown.

For those worried about Muslims in the US, the vast majority have grown up in a completely different set of circumstances. Life is difficult for them, as it is for any immigrant group, but statistically they have done relatively well for themselves: Muslims in the US generally are well educated and assimilate into their various communities well.

Finally, way back at the beginning of this thread someone said it was "strange" to see women crossing the street unescorted and called it Islam "lite". Go to literally any Muslim-majority country in the world, with the possible exception of Saudi Arabia, and you will see women out and about without escorts. There is nothing Islamic about the draconian rules the Taliban put in place in Afghanistan.

For the most part they let in people from former North African colonies. The problem is that most of the colonies are shit holes. Most of the people with money have also left, unless they have some strong connection to their government.