No matter the opposing argument, I can't seem to gin up a vision of a flameboy on a Team.

Pederasty (we refer to as Pedophilia) brings up an interesting point for those that wish use homosexuality as a positive or mute point in that the Spartans were openly gay or bi-sexual.

How would you feel if NAMBLA members were allowed to serve openly in the Military.....I mean it is only Pederasty and beside the Spartans did it :rolleyes:

So if the Homosexuals have the right to equal protection and equal rights........why not NAMBLA? They do have a lobbying group you know...




Wasn't Tony Curtis a victim of Pederasty in Sparticus.....or was that just a homosexual act with a slave boy???

Richard is correct regarding empires.

But in Rome, the fall was triggered by an economic event. The salt mines flooded, (Rome's single largest revenue producer and natural resource export), causing an interruption in revenue and the ability to pay for legion guards to protect the city (Rome) from invaders. An attack was not "around the corner", it simply went unguarded for a few decades, then a century, then another. Rome felt safe for a short season, a 100 years, but Rome the city never recovered, nor did the mines ever re-open, still today.

Rome the empire could not financially sustain itself in remote regions. Religious and/or Idealogies pursuit changed the fabric of the city, the empire. The nature of Rome turned to self indulgence, the arts, entertainment.

Agriculture slowed because Rome was no longer exporting salt, revenues from crops or supported the supply chain management in feeding occupying troops in remote locations. Legions who would nornally buy/pay for services from local farmers began to starve. They remained in the area, but left the empire to marry locals and take up plows, farms and families or took up jobs working for other armies. Back in Rome, families were viewed as "old establishments". Being single, not having babies, families, was the "new" fashion. Rome the city was ripe to invading Northmen, rich in posessions, but lacking in substance/revenues.

Before there was a Greece, there was only a region.

Greece became a collection of countries, co-operating in collective benefits, agriculture to textile industry.

A woman launches a thousand ships and Greece invades Troy, a 8-12 year campaign according to Homer, depending on your start point, not a 3 hour episode.

Rome rises out of the dust of Troy, but that took awhile too.

America will fall when the following conditions exist...

Ecomonic instability:
When we are importing more than we export.
Our cash management, coffers, treasuries are thin.
Debt is high.
When we are held hostage to energy and supply chain management.

Occupation:
When our enemies can occupy terrain and land without consequences.
When having large families are not viewed as socially acceptable.
When the lines of culture are squewed.
When self indulgence is more important then responsibility.

Invasion:
Overt and covert
When the army is indifferent to leadership

When we are weak,....

I could be wrong, this has never happened before.

How many years ago was the thought of homos serving openly as abhorrent?

Does this also apply to "transvestites"?..........:confused:

Big Teddy :munchin

Just wait until Married couple Bob and Steve move in next to you in on-post housing!

And how many years ago was the thought of blacks or women serving abhorrent?

Pedastry is illegal, bestiality is illegal, those arguments are ridiculous.

And like you, I can't picture a flaming, poor me-victim penetrating (pun intended) any special operations community, or lasting very long in a conventional combat arms community. I am positive there are homosexuals out there more than capable of honorably and professionally serving in SF, SEALs, CCT, Rangers, whatever, they already have been for years and will continue to do so no matter what happens with DADT.

And Bob is your Sr Rater on your upcoming NCOER

Are you saying homosexuality isn't (or wasn't until the repeal) re: UCMJ?

Took the words right out of my mouth
 

ABC_123 - you beat me to it.

This will no doubt be the first challenge the military will have to face. Not only will two male Soldiers and/or two female Soldiers dance together at the Dining-In and Christmas Party, there will be demands to get married and recieve BAQ. I suspect the gay agenda has "test cases" waiting in the wings as we speak.

I'm constantly amazed how many resonably smart people (congress?) do not really understand what a ripple effect is.

Who knows what the next round of correctness will bring, and what will the next incremental challenge be? woman in combat arms MOSs; Rangers; Special Forces; living arrangements? Sky's the limit for these folks and their on a role. The people behind this have other targets in their folder to be sure.....jd

It is not illegal for an American citizen to be a homosexual, that is what I was referring too.

Oral sex is illegal under the UCMJ as well...

The subject, as I see it, pertains to the UCMJ; oral sex is more than likely a homosexual act, I would think-so why call the comparisons ridiculous?

Apples and oranges. First, you generallycan't hide what ethnic group you belong to if you're black. Black/White males and females have the same physiology.

Homosexuality is currently viewed as a lifestyle choice, and can be easily hidden.

While I am obviously for the repeal, it's not the same as black males being allowed to shoot with the Confederates or Union in the Civil War. It's not the same as black males being integrated into other combat MOSs after the Korean war. It's not the same as women being allowed to serve in certain Army units.