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badshot 06-10-2013 23:25

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Originally Posted by ajls (Post 510653)
which, quite honestly, sucks. give me 'boys being boys' over 'metrosexuals' any day of the week. it teaches them a level of self-respect sorely lacking nowadays..I have found that the boys taught to behave like boys(& therefore men) are the ones that show the most kindness, respect and common decency to those who are weaker...

Yeah man...it helps teach We instead of Me, Myself, and I.

ddoering 06-11-2013 05:41

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Originally Posted by DocIllinois (Post 510599)
Our growing boys may never get the chance. One more baby step in citizen disarmament:

'Children at a California elementary school were able to turn in their toy guns for books and raffle tickets on Saturday.

School Principal Charles Hill, who came up with “Strobridge Elementary Safety Day,” said toy guns teach kids to not take real guns seriously, San Jose Mercury News reported.

“Playing with toys guns, saying ‘I’m going to shoot you,’ desensitizes them, so as they get older, it’s easier for them to use a real gun,” Mr. Hill said.'

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...y-gun-buyback/

:mad::confused:

Hitler did the same thing. He knew he could never convince most ordinary Germans that his way was right so he established the Hitler Youth to ensure the next generation was properly indoctrinated.

Sad.

MR2 06-15-2013 10:21

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Two more articles from Guns Magazine 1963

pcfixer 06-17-2013 11:51

Maryland gun clubs sue Maryland State Police
 
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Maryland Shall Issue, in association with the Associated Gun Clubs of Maryland, the Maryland Licensed Firearm Dealers Association, and several individual plaintiffs filed a complaint today in Baltimore County Circuit Court against the Maryland State Police (MSP) for the state’s failure to process firearm applications within the seven days mandated by Maryland law.

The MSP’s failure to comply with its statutory duty -- which MSP has admitted is taking closer to 55 than the required seven days -- infringes the fundamental constitutional right of Maryland citizens to purchase and keep firearms for purposes of self-defense in their homes, as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, and puts them at risk while the bureaucracy takes its time to process citizen applications. The lawsuit seeks a court order compelling the MSP to process all firearms applications in seven days as required by law.

Additionally, the MSP’s failure to issue approvals has caused significant economic harm to licensed firearms dealers in Maryland. These business owners also risk civil or criminal sanctions if a firearm has been transferred to a purchaser whose application is later disapproved by the MSP.

We have requested an expedited review of this case given the nature of the harm brought against our members who are attempting to exercise a civil right. Additionally, the plaintiffs are listed as anonymous individuals - publishing their names would provide those persons looking to do harm notice that their potential victim is unarmed. For this reason, we ask that you do not speculate on their identity.

It has been 30 days since this was filed. Hope to hear results soon.

Badger52 06-17-2013 12:04

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Originally Posted by pcfixer (Post 511726)
It has been 30 days since this was filed. Hope to hear results soon.

Is that 8 months in Maryland time?
:mad:

Maybe when POTUS referred to 57 states he was thinking of those states that have their own more draconian guidelines for peasant behavior. Isn't it usually 3 days and, in the absence of any word back, an implied approval?

psherlin 06-18-2013 09:34

Arkansas Concealed Carry
 
Here the State Police have 120 days to either give you your license or tell you why they rejected you. I have been a Safety Instructor for Concealed Carry since we started. Was part of the group that came up with the standards. This is the current listing of states that issue Concealed Handgun Licenses that are recognized and honored by the State of Arkansas.
Alabama Michigan South Carolina
Alaska Minnesota South Dakota
Arizona Mississippi Tennessee
Colorado Missouri Texas
Delaware Montana Utah
Florida Nebraska Virginia
Georgia New Hampshire Washington
Idaho New Mexico West Virginia
Iowa Nevada Wisconsin
Indiana North Carolina Wyoming
Kansas North Dakota (Class 1 only) must be over 21
Kentucky Ohio
Louisiana (state only) not individual Parishes Oklahoma
Maine Pennsylvania

badshot 06-18-2013 11:16

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Originally Posted by psherlin (Post 511888)
Here the State Police have 120 days to either give you your license or tell you why they rejected you. I have been a Safety Instructor for Concealed Carry since we started. Was part of the group that came up with the standards. This is the current listing of states that issue Concealed Handgun Licenses that are recognized and honored by the State of Arkansas.
Alabama Michigan South Carolina
Alaska Minnesota South Dakota
Arizona Mississippi Tennessee
Colorado Missouri Texas
Delaware Montana Utah
Florida Nebraska Virginia
Georgia New Hampshire Washington
Idaho New Mexico West Virginia
Iowa Nevada Wisconsin
Indiana North Carolina Wyoming
Kansas North Dakota (Class 1 only) must be over 21
Kentucky Ohio
Louisiana (state only) not individual Parishes Oklahoma
Maine Pennsylvania

Nice, like the West.

It should be that when you pass a background check and qualification in any state its for the whole damn country...especially since that's the intent and purpose of the Second Amendment.

Badger52 06-18-2013 13:24

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Originally Posted by psherlin (Post 511888)
Here the State Police have 120 days to either give you your license or tell you why they rejected you.

I believe pcfixer is speaking above to the issue of simply being allowed to carry through a purchase and get the permission slip such that the buyer can legally own the firearm, not a carry permit process.

awisewon 06-18-2013 13:38

“The purpose of the Second Amendment is to secure our ability to oppose enemies foreign and domestic, Its the Right of the People not the military or anyone else that shall not be infringed. Any, Any, Any Restrictions are in fact in direct violation of the Constitution. You cannot fight fire with fire if you do not have at least equal fire power and its nor the gov or states business what supplies and fire power the people have and hold so long as they are not using such to commit crimes which most are not. That means jacking up prices, limits on ammo or types of weapons held by the people in order to keep our nation safe. we also have the what if, what if we are invaded by our enemies could we distribute enough fire power to our civilian population in time to hold off such a invasion, I think not nor do most of our civilian population have the needed skills and training to engage in massive combat. To me its only prudent that as a entire nation we be ready and trained at least in the basics and that the civilian population have a certain bond and faith as well as trust in those who serve in our armed forces a established relationship so to speak more than just a thank you for your service which most civilians really don't know what all that service really means. We are in critical times in our country if all Hell cuts loose for any reason natural disaster invasion whatever our military needs the faith and trust of the people to restore order and follow their instruction knowing its for their greater good and safety.

Badger52 06-18-2013 17:07

Raffle Ticket, great; just not for NY agencies
 
Whether you want a Serbu .50 BMG or not, this is an interesting twist on the NY SAFE Act. I like it - alot.
:cool:

LINK to full story.

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Your chances to win a Serbu BFG-50A rifle are dwindling with each passing moment if Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership Executive Director Charles Heller’s predictions are correct.

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership

“We have sold almost half of the tickets this morning,” Heller told Gun Rights Examiner, expressing his belief the rest will be gone “most likely by tomorrow morning. If not, probably before we light the Shabbos candles...”

Heller announced the drawing during a “Roundtable” segment on Armed American Radio Sunday evening, informing host Mark Walters, Neil McCabe of Human Events, Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America and this correspondent that Serbu Manufacturing had been contacted by NYPD SWAT for a quote on this rifle, but refused the business, explaining that if it was not legal for New York gun owners to buy one, then they would not sell it to New York law enforcement.

“But YOU can have a chance of owning this superb .50 cal, semi-auto rifle!” JPFO announced on their website. “The JPFO logo is to be engraved onto the side of the action and this unique one-of-one rifle will have the serial number "JPFO 01". A letter of provenance will accompany the gun from the manufacturer, stating that this rifle is 1 of 1, and it indeed is the one that NYPD could not have.

“Now, an Arizona charity is running a draw to benefit JPFO, and you could be the winner!” the announcement continues.

“The drawing is to be held on September 28th 2013 in Houston, at Gun Rights Policy Conference,” the announcement continues.

psherlin 06-19-2013 11:49

National carry law
 
We are still trying to get a National Carry law, along the lines as your drivers license, if a state has you one, yours is good in their state. Our problem is the seven states that have the most gun restrictions, which just happen to be the ones with the highest crime rates keep messing it up. Last try we were 4 votes short in the Senate.
If more people would read the Federalist Papers, they would know why the amendments were added to the Constitution. Most people would be surprised to know that your rights to own firearms is you only civil right not automatically restored if you have been convicted of a felony then given a pardon. It must state in your pardon that your right to own firearms have been reinstated.

MSRlaw 06-19-2013 12:07

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Originally Posted by pcfixer (Post 511726)
Maryland Shall Issue, in association with the Associated Gun Clubs of Maryland, the Maryland Licensed Firearm Dealers Association, and several individual plaintiffs filed a complaint today in Baltimore County Circuit Court against the Maryland State Police (MSP) for the state’s failure to process firearm applications within the seven days mandated by Maryland law.

The MSP’s failure to comply with its statutory duty -- which MSP has admitted is taking closer to 55 than the required seven days -- infringes the fundamental constitutional right of Maryland citizens to purchase and keep firearms for purposes of self-defense in their homes, as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, and puts them at risk while the bureaucracy takes its time to process citizen applications. The lawsuit seeks a court order compelling the MSP to process all firearms applications in seven days as required by law.

Additionally, the MSP’s failure to issue approvals has caused significant economic harm to licensed firearms dealers in Maryland. These business owners also risk civil or criminal sanctions if a firearm has been transferred to a purchaser whose application is later disapproved by the MSP.

We have requested an expedited review of this case given the nature of the harm brought against our members who are attempting to exercise a civil right. Additionally, the plaintiffs are listed as anonymous individuals - publishing their names would provide those persons looking to do harm notice that their potential victim is unarmed. For this reason, we ask that you do not speculate on their identity.

It has been 30 days since this was filed. Hope to hear results soon.

What a poorly drafted Complaint, unfortunately. I predict the defense filing and receiving a 12(b)(6) dismissal with some "shotgun pleading" language thrown in by the judge. Sure it'll be dismissed Without Prejudice but with Rule 11 hovering, the Plaintiff attorney won't refile. I see some good ideas in the pleading but using that Venue and those particular arguments is a loser.

badshot 06-19-2013 15:02

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Originally Posted by psherlin (Post 512091)
We are still trying to get a National Carry law, along the lines as your drivers license, if a state has you one, yours is good in their state. Our problem is the seven states that have the most gun restrictions, which just happen to be the ones with the highest crime rates keep messing it up. Last try we were 4 votes short in the Senate.
If more people would read the Federalist Papers, they would know why the amendments were added to the Constitution. Most people would be surprised to know that your rights to own firearms is you only civil right not automatically restored if you have been convicted of a felony then given a pardon. It must state in your pardon that your right to own firearms have been reinstated.

I've had carry licenses in some of those states and they are real pain in the ass. Guilty until innocent environment...two or three taps? We'll have to look at this extra hard, why didn't you shot them in the leg, your scores show you can?

Think lack of understanding, personal limitations and fears, and the desire to control everything (an impossible goal) will make a National CCW unlikely. Doesn't mean it ain't worth trying for though.

pcfixer 06-21-2013 08:59

Maryland --77R Litigation Successful
 
see post #513

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77R Litigation Successful - MSP Agrees that Dealers Can Release Guns



We filed a lawsuit against Maryland State Police because Maryland citizens were not being cleared by Maryland State Police to receive their purchased regulated firearms within the seven days required by law.

Maryland State Police's processing time had become greater than 60 days.

Maryland State Police had not provided any formal or informal guidance to sellers on whether they could release firearms after the seven day waiting period. Marylanders were waiting months to obtain handguns they had purchased for protection in their homes.
http://campaign.r20.constantcontact....LETTER.BLOCK91

Based on the State of Maryland's official statements binding themselves before the Court in this lawsuit through the Maryland State Police and the Maryland Attorney General, we have accomplished our goal with this lawsuit.

One small legal battle won by Maryland Licensed Firearms Dealers Association (MLFDA) and MSI.


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