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bblhead672 01-08-2019 09:38

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Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 648789)
What does the bestowing of an A+ rating say about the NRA?
:rolleyes:

That it is in reality a pro-gun control organization? I expect the NRA to back this "common sense" law.

bblhead672 01-08-2019 09:43

Ted Nugent clearly explains that the right to self defense does not come from a piece of paper.

https://youtu.be/dUO3TMO-ezo

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I believe that a person's moral compass can be determined by how he references free men the right to defend themselves.

EricV 01-10-2019 17:55

From the usual suspects...


Senators Introduce Assault Weapons Ban
Jan 09 2019
Washington—Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) today led a group of senators in introducing the Assault Weapons Ban of 2019, an updated bill to ban the sale, transfer, manufacture and importation of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.

In addition to Feinstein, Murphy and Blumenthal, cosponsors of the bill include Senators Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Tom Carper (D-Del.), Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Bob Casey (D-Pa.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Tina Smith (D-Minn.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) and Mark Warner (D-Va.).

“Last year we saw tens of thousands of students nationwide take to the streets to demand action to stop mass shootings and stem the epidemic of gun violence that plagues our communities. Our youngest generation has grown up with active-shooter drills, hiding under their desks—and now they’re saying enough is enough,” said Senator Dianne Feinstein. “Americans across the nation are asking Congress to reinstate the federal ban on military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. If we’re going to put a stop to mass shootings and protect our children, we need to get these weapons of war off our streets.”

“Military-style assault rifles are the weapons of choice for mass murderers. There’s just no reason why these guns, which were designed to kill as many people as quickly as possible, are sold to the public,” said Senator Chris Murphy. “This past year, we’ve seen Americans rise up and demand Congress change our gun laws. Banning assault weapons would save lives, and I’m proud to join Senator Feinstein in introducing this bill.”

“Assault weapons and high-capacity magazines are deadly and dangerous weapons of war that belong on battlefields—not our streets. They have no purpose for self-defense or hunting, and no business being in our schools, churches and malls,” said Senator Richard Blumenthal. “By passing this legislation, Congress can honor the memory of the beautiful lives cut short by military-style assault weapons in Newtown, Parkland, Las Vegas, San Bernardino and far too many other American cities. This is the year for my colleagues to turn our rhetoric into reality and finally end America’s gun violence epidemic.”

Key provisions:

Bans the sale, manufacture, transfer and importation of 205 military-style assault weapons by name. Owners may keep existing weapons.
Bans any assault weapon that accepts a detachable ammunition magazine and has one or more military characteristics including a pistol grip, a forward grip, a barrel shroud, a threaded barrel or a folding or telescoping stock. Owners may keep existing weapons.
Bans magazines and other ammunition feeding devices that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition, which allow shooters to quickly fire many rounds without needing to reload. Owners may keep existing magazines.
Exemptions to bill:

The bill exempts by name more than 2,200 guns for hunting, household defense or recreational purposes.
The bill includes a grandfather clause that exempts all weapons lawfully possessed at the date of enactment.
Other provisions:

Requires a background check on any future sale, trade or gifting of an assault weapon covered by the bill.
Requires that grandfathered assault weapons are stored using a secure gun storage or safety device like a trigger lock.
Prohibits the transfer of high-capacity ammunition magazines.
Bans bump-fire stocks and other devices that allow semi-automatic weapons to fire at fully automatic rates.
Updates to Assault Weapons Ban of 2017:

Bans stocks that are “otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability of a firearm.”
Bans assault pistols that weigh 50 or more ounces when unloaded, a policy included in the original 1994 ban.
Bans assault pistol stabilizing braces that transform assault pistols into assault rifles by allowing the shooter to shoulder the weapon and fire more accurately.
Bans Thordsen-type grips and stocks that are designed to evade a ban on assault weapons.

cbtengr 01-10-2019 18:43

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Originally Posted by EricV (Post 648877)
From the usual suspects...


Senators Introduce Assault Weapons Ban
Jan 09 2019


In addition to Feinstein, Murphy and Blumenthal, cosponsors of the bill include Senators Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Tom Carper (D-Del.), Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Bob Casey (D-Pa.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Tina Smith (D-Minn.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) and Mark Warner (D-Va.).

Thank God that they are in the minority and that they do not have the WH.

tonyz 01-10-2019 20:28

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Originally Posted by EricV (Post 648877)
From the usual suspects...


In addition to Feinstein, Murphy and Blumenthal, cosponsors of the bill include Senators Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Tom Carper (D-Del.), Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Bob Casey (D-Pa.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Tina Smith (D-Minn.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) and Mark Warner (D-Va.).

Info for the Socialist/Commie/Statist accountability file.

Badger52 01-10-2019 21:59

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Originally Posted by tonyz (Post 648882)
Info for the Socialist/Commie/Statist accountability file.

That's a big file cabinet...

tonyz 01-12-2019 15:57

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Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 648883)
That's a big file cabinet...

Yup.

And, business at the LGS was a tad slow over the past couple of years - so the good Senator Dianne Feinstein and crew will likely stimulate a relatively lagging segment of the economy.

The Reaper 01-12-2019 16:43

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Originally Posted by cbtengr (Post 648879)
Thank God that they are in the minority and that they do not have the WH.

I believe that there are enough RINOs in the Senate to pass this, particularly as a part of a "compromise." After all, who are you going to vote for next time, even if they do?

None of the pro-gun bills (national reciprocity, hearing protection), made it through to the POTUS, even when the Repubs controlled both houses of Congress and the the White House.

The POTUS, I am afraid, is not a gun guy and will sell us down the river in a flash for political opportunity. He did that already with the bump stock ban, even when the BATF had previously approved them.

Hard times are coming.

TR

EricV 01-12-2019 18:14

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 648921)
I believe that there are enough RINOs in the Senate to pass this, particularly as a part of a "compromise." After all, who are you going to vote for next time, even if they do?

None of the pro-gun bills (national reciprocity, hearing protection), made it through to the POTUS, even when the Repubs controlled both houses of Congress and the the White House.

The POTUS, I am afraid, is not a gun guy and will sell us down the river in a flash for political opportunity. He did that already with the bump stock ban, even when the BATF had previously approved them.

Hard times are coming.

TR

Yeah, and I think Trump is just a "Dead cat bounce." Once he's out we'll end up at sometime with a Dem Pres and both houses of Congress and that will result in end of some toys.

Palmetto has a sale going on for 30 rounders; gettem while you can. :D

https://palmettostatearmory.com/d-h-...zine-8416.html

doctom54 01-12-2019 19:58

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 648921)
I believe that there are enough RINOs in the Senate to pass this, particularly as a part of a "compromise." After all, who are you going to vote for next time, even if they do?

None of the pro-gun bills (national reciprocity, hearing protection), made it through to the POTUS, even when the Repubs controlled both houses of Congress and the the White House.

The POTUS, I am afraid, is not a gun guy and will sell us down the river in a flash for political opportunity. He did that already with the bump stock ban, even when the BATF had previously approved them.

Hard times are coming.

TR

I would disagree to some extent. It is true President Trump is NOT a gun guy. However, his son Donald Trump Jr is (as much as a New Yorker can be). I read this that he didn't think the bump stock thing important. He has tried to do what he said during the campaign (unlike all politicians) and he says he supports the 2nd Amendment.
On the first part the RINOs (in Particular Ryan and McConnell) did NOTHING for the 2nd Amendment or much of anything else when they had the House
Senate and WH.
I agree. Hard times are coming.

bblhead672 01-14-2019 08:45

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 648921)
I believe that there are enough RINOs in the Senate to pass this, particularly as a part of a "compromise." After all, who are you going to vote for next time, even if they do?

None of the pro-gun bills (national reciprocity, hearing protection), made it through to the POTUS, even when the Repubs controlled both houses of Congress and the the White House.

The POTUS, I am afraid, is not a gun guy and will sell us down the river in a flash for political opportunity. He did that already with the bump stock ban, even when the BATF had previously approved them.

Hard times are coming.

TR

I agree. I don't think Donald Trump Jr's pro-2nd Amendment influence is enough to overcome any political advantage POTUS can gain by signing off on further infringements. Unless, POTUS can forsee what this will cost him at the ballot box next year.

(1VB)compforce 01-14-2019 11:10

Get ready for it. The Dems are going to try to trade the gun bill for some (not all) of the wall...

Badger52 01-14-2019 19:48

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Originally Posted by (1VB)compforce (Post 648950)
Get ready for it. The Dems are going to try to trade the gun bill for some (not all) of the wall...

Since they like dealing the many cuts, I would not be surprised to see them float universal background checks as a piece of barter on the wall table because, you know, "common sense." Most inside the beltway don't appreciate the pinnacle of individual liberty that is represented by ownership of private property, and the right to its disposition; whether in trade with another free person, in personal commerce, or gifting.

PedOncoDoc 01-15-2019 08:07

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Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 648970)
Since they like dealing the many cuts, I would not be surprised to see them float universal background checks as a piece of barter on the wall table because, you know, "common sense." Most inside the beltway don't appreciate the pinnacle of individual liberty that is represented by ownership of private property, and the right to its disposition; whether in trade with another free person, in personal commerce, or gifting.

Background checks are pointless if they are not allowing/mandating reporting of high risk individuals - the school shooting in Florida is a prime example of why demanding background checks is disingenuous and just a power grab and a big step forward towards draconian laws.

The Reaper 01-15-2019 10:37

So far, there does not appear to be any rush to buy rifles, pistols, mags, receivers, etc. Recent gun shows have been relatively subdued.

I would say that this is likely due to one of the following reasons:

1. People are trusting that the Repubs in the Senate and the POTUS (and eventually SCOTUS) will not allow such restrictive and Constitutionally prohibited legislation to be made law. I think this is a bad assumption, especially when they need bargaining chips with the House. I had to have a serious talk with my son about how restrictive the previous 1994 AWB was and how it changed the pricing and availability of firearms, and it had a sunset clause.

Or....

2. After years of stockpiling, particularly under the previous POTUS / gun salesman of the century, people are finally saturated with what they believe is a lifetime supply of firearms, accessories, and ammo. Maybe the gun safes are finally all full.

Or....

3. The majority of the American people want this sort of legislation passed.

It will be interesting to see how busy the SHOT Show is next week.

TR

cat in the hat 01-15-2019 14:04

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Originally Posted by (1VB)compforce (Post 648950)
Get ready for it. The Dems are going to try to trade the gun bill for some (not all) of the wall...

The left will trade gun control for a fully funded border wall that stretches from pacific to gulf.
Then hold up funding in the courts indefinitely

Ret10Echo 01-15-2019 22:10

I would expect a "soft" attack on 2nd Amendment rights. This will be in the standard mode of regulatory or policy changes by the various agencies and those private corporations that can circumvent the legislative and judicial processes.

Expectation:

1. Online ammunition sales end or are, at best, severely limited.

2. Limitation on financial transactions related to gun and gun accessory purchases

3. Information and advertising related to those positions and opinions that support the exercise of the 2nd Amendment.

This is consistent with prior administrations where rule by fiat or slow death of regulation occur without open, public debate.


But I'm an optimist

lindy 01-16-2019 17:17

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Originally Posted by Ret10Echo (Post 649011)
I would expect a "soft" attack on 2nd Amendment rights. This will be in the standard mode of regulatory or policy changes by the various agencies and those private corporations that can circumvent the legislative and judicial processes.

Expectation:

1. Online ammunition sales end or are, at best, severely limited.

2. Limitation on financial transactions related to gun and gun accessory purchases

3. Information and advertising related to those positions and opinions that support the exercise of the 2nd Amendment.

This is consistent with prior administrations where rule by fiat or slow death of regulation occur without open, public debate.


But I'm an optimist

I expect DiFi’s idea will be field tested here in MD first.

http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/16/...-like-dickens/

Ret10Echo 01-16-2019 18:34

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Originally Posted by lindy (Post 649030)
I expect DiFi’s idea will be field tested here in MD first.

http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/16/...-like-dickens/

Potentially. The legislative culture is correct but CA, NY and NJ are even more ridiculous.

A bumper sticker on 495... "Bring back Democracy, Elect more Democrats"

That's the mentality.

Badger52 01-16-2019 19:16

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Originally Posted by Ret10Echo (Post 649011)
2. Limitation on financial transactions related to gun and gun accessory purchases

I hear anecdotally from a few small-shop FFLs that some firms are still taking the Opn CHOKE POINT view on processing online firearm transactions, even without the Guv extortion of "OK, don't play with us, it would be a shame if you got audited." So small shops are left with no way for the customer to pay using plastic for that nice custom job they want done, or the parts list of stuff they want the shop owner to order for 'em. I'm a cash guy but it is a royal PITA to the shop owner.

Just a few data points; but the mentality is still "out there" in the virtue-signalling portion of the financial sector.

35NCO 01-28-2019 14:40

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...ouse-bill/5103

NFA tax increases ($500.00) for buyers and sellers....

Rifle cartridge pistols brought into NFA.

Be aware there are low flyers in there that may not be noticed until it's too late.

tonyz 01-28-2019 16:20

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Originally Posted by 35NCO (Post 649301)
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...ouse-bill/5103

NFA tax increases ($500.00) for buyers and sellers....

Rifle cartridge pistols brought into NFA.

Be aware there are low flyers in there that may not be noticed until it's too late.

BOHICA !

Badger52 01-28-2019 20:19

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Articles taxable at 50 percent: Shells and cartridges.”
And dealer FFL fees ^ by factor of 5.

I think also that one of the collateral goals is to generate so many of these things that some of the partially obscured up-in-the-clouds stuff will skate by in the back & forth of bi-partisanship. The bill, like many, is really titled "The Attempt to Destroy the Firearms Industry & Create a Market Only for Those Who Can Afford a Ferrari 250GTB Act."

I'm channeling Claire Wolfe again - is it time?
:munchin

35NCO 01-28-2019 21:48

Badger, I agree.

What's going on is only the royals may have archers while the peasants can only own sticks.

Look at the manipulation on the price of machineguns. In another ten years only the less than 1% will be able to afford them. Especially the good ones.

There were other Bill's pushing the inflation rate for the NFA tax in 2013 to $3500.00. Maybe wont happen, but tax people from owning the weapons that are deemed most useful in defense and only the wealthy are most defended.

I think part of the reason the defense of any post 68 amnesty and or any waiver of the Hughes is to ensure the value of the portfolios of those involved stay stable via influence of lobby.

Make money and have the most powerful weapons possible that most others can not afford. Of course some have to be sold to make money, but 100 flemming Sears at around 40 each in 85 are now worth around 3.5million at 35k per sear. There was alot of that going on and the recent growth is increasing with the bunker down mentality of the elite*.

Now add all this to the ITAR fees added to the common gunsmiths and mfgs and a serious stanglehold is starting to appear on overall transactions. Also innovation...

Just sayin...pay attention to these Bill's. We may get sniped.

*Also nothing wrong with being successful. What you do with that power matters.

Echoing the speeches of Davos, seemed a bit of gloom and forced removal of leader changes. Soros basically called upon the audience to forcibly remove two world leaders. The elite are shifting from fix it, to buying bunkers.....not good things for us.

I just think these things are all related. The 2nd was created for the same reasons it's being incrementally taken now.

bblhead672 01-29-2019 08:40

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Originally Posted by 35NCO (Post 649301)
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...ouse-bill/5103

NFA tax increases ($500.00) for buyers and sellers....

Rifle cartridge pistols brought into NFA.

Be aware there are low flyers in there that may not be noticed until it's too late.

Every time a Democrat introduces a new infringement bill I am reminded to buy more guns and ammo. I may need a second job with this new socialist progressive democrat controlled Congress to keep making purchases....

bubba 01-29-2019 08:41

MG's vs SHTF
 
Machineguns are game changers, IF you are fighting a "conventional" fight. If you're trying to conduct a revolution, UW and "hunting" rifles will go a LONG way (pun intended). The rise of the PRS series and similar competitions, plus the fact that most guys who know how to properly run a carbine generally use semi will very quickly lead to "the good MG's" being battlefield recovered in a timely manner should a SHTF scenario play out.

"The people I'm 'worried' about, are not the people I'm worried about should the SHTF"

35NCO 01-29-2019 11:40

I certainly cant disagree with you.

I guess my intended point is the control of the threat of battlespace, before it begins, and not the application of employing them.

Strategies are numerous and can vary, so attempting to mitigate the vulnerability of the perceived future strategy is what the security systems are that are being developed. This is true for any history or country that has taken notice of the perceived threat of people.

Its incrementally improving the foxhole. While also assuring the adversaries capabilities are limited by controlling resources.

I am not convinced it's a grand conspiracy even if some political views lean one way or the other. I see it as the path its falling into if conventional or not. Because of this possibility I presume this is why we are seeing greater foriegn destabilization tactics employed against us.

Its several sources leveraging the indicators. Perhaps not even aware or interested in the same outcomes.

cbtengr 01-29-2019 14:38

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Originally Posted by bubba (Post 649311)
Machineguns are game changers, IF you are fighting a "conventional" fight. If you're trying to conduct a revolution, UW and "hunting" rifles will go a LONG way (pun intended). The rise of the PRS series and similar competitions, plus the fact that most guys who know how to properly run a carbine generally use semi will very quickly lead to "the good MG's" being battlefield recovered in a timely manner should a SHTF scenario play out.

"The people I'm 'worried' about, are not the people I'm worried about should the SHTF"

You make a good point here. I was just looking at this on an auction site pretty much intended for making available a better weapon.

Attachment 35570

This pistol is made of stamped steel and was intended to be airdropped to partisans during World War II. Only fires one shot at a time, but the hollow grip to four additionally cartridges. They were dropped in a plain cardboard box with an illustrated instruction gun. Never intended for long use, their sole objective was to assassinate an enemy and retrieve a more serviceable weapon. CONDITION: Working but has the typical toning on the pressed metal. Barrel Length: 3 - 1/2" Caliber/Bore: .45 ACP

Badger52 01-29-2019 19:11

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Originally Posted by cbtengr (Post 649319)
Never intended for long use, their [COLOR="lime"]sole objective was to assassinate an enemy and retrieve a more serviceable weapon.

And never give in to the temptation of gun buy-backs, no matter how much they want for your junker (which also supports THEIR narrative). That no-name but functional ol' wheelgun or non-descript single-shot should have ammo for it too. You never know when you might want to "Leave the gun, take the cannoli."

Ret10Echo 01-29-2019 19:53

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Originally Posted by cbtengr (Post 649319)

This pistol is made of stamped steel and was intended to be airdropped to partisans during World War II. Only fires one shot at a time, but the hollow grip to four additionally cartridges.


And manufactured by.... General Motors

BigJimCalhoun 02-10-2019 08:31

I wonder if Alexandria Ocasio Cortez just realizes she has now come out for illegal immigrants to have legal access to firearms.


https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...me-of-funding/

“When we are a land of laws, what that means, is that every person that steps foot on this soil deserves the consideration of due process. They deserve the protections. They deserve to have access to our Bill of Rights. That’s what makes this nation special.”

Badger52 02-10-2019 19:49

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Originally Posted by BigJimCalhoun (Post 649565)
I wonder if Alexandria Ocasio Cortez just realizes she has now come out for illegal immigrants to have legal access to firearms.


https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...me-of-funding/

“When we are a land of laws, what that means, is that every person that steps foot on this soil deserves the consideration of due process. They deserve the protections. They deserve to have access to our Bill of Rights. That’s what makes this nation special.”

Forget playing the tape to the end to see a thing called 'consequences'; the crew advising her doesn't even get past the opening credits. And, like it or not, there are a bunch of her 70 & 80 year-old "colleagues" who are feeling the need to pull back the curtain & show their true colors because they want a piece of that demographic. (While quietly balancing the choking of their military-industrial complex & BigPharma donors.)

echoes 02-15-2019 06:53

Thank goodness we have a new Governor! Definitely a step in the right direction. :lifter

Oklahoma House passes no-permit gun bill

By: Journal Record Staff February 13, 2019 

OKLAHOMA CITY (JR) – The Oklahoma House of Representatives on Wednesday passed a measure that would allow citizens to carry a firearm without a permit.

House Bill 2597, by state Rep. Jon Echols, would allow anyone age 21 or over to carry a firearm without a permit. It would permit veterans and active-duty and reserve military personnel age 18 or over to carry without a permit.

HB 2597 passed out of the House by a vote of 70-30 and now heads to the Senate for consideration.

The measure would prohibit felons and those with domestic violence convictions or who have been adjudicated as having a mental illness from carrying a firearm. The bill does not affect current federal law requiring a background check for the in-store purchase of a firearm.

In places where carrying a firearm is currently prohibited, the bill allows those private property owners and college campuses to continue to set their own policies regarding the carrying of firearms on those premises.

“This bill solidifies the Second Amendment rights of Oklahomans while protecting private property rights,” said House Speaker Charles McCall, R-Atoka. “We worked with private businesses, schools and college campuses to ensure that their rights are protected.”

There are 15 states that allow some form of permitless carry, including Kansas, Missouri and Arkansas.

“Oklahoma has long had permitless carry, but only for citizens visiting from one of those surrounding states that allow it,” said Echols, R-Oklahoma City.

Nearly identical bills to this one cleared the Oklahoma House and Senate last year, but then-Gov. Mary Fallin vetoed it over opposition from law enforcement and concerns about the elimination of training and background checks.

Republican Gov. Kevin Stitt and Senate Republican Leader Greg Treat both say they support the concept.


https://journalrecord.com/2019/02/13...rmit-gun-bill/

Ret10Echo 02-15-2019 11:46

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Originally Posted by echoes (Post 649672)
Thank goodness we have a new Governor! Definitely a step in the right direction. :lifter

Up to 14 states now with permitless carry on the books...with a couple-three on the fringes I believe.

The geography is a bit interesting (or maybe unsurprising) with the North-North East being an unexpected region...and then (primarily) the Mid-West. W.V. is the eastern anomaly.

What is even more interesting in looking at the geographical distribution is how a handful of states are the drivers behind the attack on the 2nd.

TWITCHY 02-15-2019 14:32

My new concern, in light of President Trump’s emergency declaration, is that the next Democrat President will make an emergency declaration against guns. Any thoughts on this?

Ret10Echo 02-15-2019 14:45

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Originally Posted by TWITCHY (Post 649690)
My new concern, in light of President Trump’s emergency declaration, is that the next Democrat President will make an emergency declaration against guns. Any thoughts on this?

U.S. CONST. Article I, § 9, cl. 2

The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.

Somehow caravans of thousands intending to enter the U.S. in disregard of OUR legal process meets invasion definition.

WarriorDiplomat 02-15-2019 15:00

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Originally Posted by TWITCHY (Post 649690)
My new concern, in light of President Trump’s emergency declaration, is that the next Democrat President will make an emergency declaration against guns. Any thoughts on this?

Don't let the talking heads scare you into capitulating.....these emergencies they declare are threats to the nation even if it is partisan B.S. but I am not sure they can declare anything that overrides the Constitutions protected rights....the POTUS is responsible for the security of this nation he is required to act if the house and the Senate do not

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-man...by-presidents/

echoes 02-15-2019 15:03

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Originally Posted by Ret10Echo (Post 649692)
U.S. CONST. Article I, § 9, cl. 2

The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.

Somehow caravans of thousands intending to enter the U.S. in disregard of OUR legal process meets invasion definition.

Very well said, Sir!!!


Holly:munchin

bubba 02-15-2019 15:06

"All enemies, foreign AND domestic".......
 
I think if the dims / a commie president were to try to declare an emergency that in some way furthered the confiscation of guns, they would be openly declaring war on the Gun-Owning Citizens of the Several States. I don't think they have the collective memory between all of the empty-headed commie-dims to know that is exactly how the colonies became the independent States that joined together to be the United States.....

To bastardize an Archer quote: "Do you want a revolution? Cause that's how you get a revolution!"

I say, bring it on, let the cards fall where they may, and lets do this! It's about time the USG found out exactly why the 2A is in there, but that's just me.

echoes 02-15-2019 15:17

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Originally Posted by bubba (Post 649695)
I think if the dims / a commie president were to try to declare an emergency that in some way furthered the confiscation of guns, they would be openly declaring war on the Gun-Owning Citizens of the Several States. I don't think they have the collective memory between all of the empty-headed commie-dims to know that is exactly how the colonies became the independent States that joined together to be the United States.....

To bastardize an Archer quote: "Do you want a revolution? Cause that's how you get a revolution!"

I say, bring it on, let the cards fall where they may, and lets do this! It's about time the USG found out exactly why the 2A is in there, but that's just me.

Just as a new gun owner, yet a fan of Ya'll... I say, HE'LL YEAH!!!:lifter. Great post!


Holly


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