Those very same "residance" would be blasting the President for being disrespectful if he had said he wasn't going to come. :munchin

Sorry that I missed this previously SF. I was busy dealing with hail damage and didn't see it. I think what I was trying to allude to was something that others brought up about willingness and was not meant as a slight of anybody. My brother is an example, because he holds a CCW in 2 states, but his sole motivation is to protect his family and outside of that it is not to wade into a fray. I respect that but by the same token would I have the same motivation? Not at all because I personally feel an obligation to try and make a difference to my fellow man, as I suspect everybody here probably feels the same way. That was all I was alluding to when I posted and the intent was not to slight anybody as I have always been a firm believer in CCW permits as I know the deterrent effect they tend to have on the criminal population. I hope that cleared up any misconception that my thoughts may have conveyed.

Thanks for the clarification.

Not a problem at all. I usually try to respond as soon as possible, but with all the hail damage the house took over the weekend it has been hectic trying to get temp fixes in place to keep from incurring more damage.

Who knows, but if someone else engages first, they may well back them up. They certainly can't if they are not armed. A CCW doesn't require you to be a hero. It just gives you the chance. ;)

As to TS's comment about the Air Force, the E-3 AF guy did what the E-4 Army guy told him to in France. There's hope yet! :D

Pat

How would you propose keeping an active shooter "engaged"?

And unless you're wearing a cop or security uniform at the time please explain how a LEO responding to the "active shooter" call differentiates between you and the shooter?

Let me offer some advice, you either join the fray and engage quickly and decisively or like the AF guy, stay out of the way and live. There's no "keeping the shooter engaged" plan.

I believe it was you TS that said don't follow the Sheeple and that is exactly what we are being taught and expect to take the fight to the assailant as it generally takes them by surprise since they expect nobody will be armed and fight back. I think that post where you authored that was spot on. I have always worried about having a blue on blue incident just as much as having limited ammunition but to me it always seems like if you fight back and get them contained in one area, particularly if they have no escape but through you, they tend to end the fight on their own and that may be your best bet to surviving the encounter. Like you said, quick and decisive usually prevails and if it ever happens I pray that you and the instructors are correct.

What's the motto of the British 22 SAS? :munchin

Most target schools and such because of the fact that they are gun free and extremely soft. History shows they don't want to be confronted -- much less isolated -- and usually end it of their own accord.

It was reported today that two 'detectives' were first to arrive. Exchanged fire and the POS was struck once in the right side. It was at this time the POS retreated back into a room and killed himself.

Anyone wanna bet the detectives were wearing street clothes?

I think that part of it is that many of them don't feel they have control over many parts of their lives.

In this way...they do the planning and the carrying out of those plans.

They have the guns and call the proverbial shots on unsuspecting and unprotected "easy" targets who more than likely have no way of protecting themselves.

Then...once someone comes along who has weapons and "know-how", suddenly the rules change and they can no longer "call the shots" thus they end it on their own terms because they know that in the end...they will "lose again" unless they do so.

That's just my take on it.

Who dares wins. Do you mind if I offline you on something TS?

Sure, as long as you're not trying to sell me something or asking me on a man date..... :rolleyes:

Looks like he's holding a mini-14 in that photo.

Pat

Citizens react to BO's visit: Go Golf! :D

Pat

It must be terrifying for the President (and his family) to be surrounded by guns 24/7. Everywhere he goes, there are agents with guns, police with guns, snipers on roof tops with guns, men walking beside him with guns...etc...etc.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no..._live_upd.html

And today he chose to bring along an armored car because, well the good intentions of lawful citizens decided to bring even more guns to make sure he came and left their city peacefully.

No one was hurt in the writing of this post.

I remember one time President Clinton came to visit Haiti. The SS asked us to provide counter-sniper support and checkpoint control of which we said sure. Then they asked for the bolts to our guns, at which time we told them to pound sand...they left and we weren't invited. I think 10th Mountain gladly provided cannon fodder in uniform for the visit. Don't know why the SS would think a bunch of SF types, would harm the POTUS...that's just ridiculous.

Always entertaining IMO he hits the mark more times than not.

It's the Steel: Bill Whittle's Solution to Gun Control
Published on Oct 9, 2015

"In the aftermath of more mass shootings, Bill Whittle tackles gun control, rebutting progressives call for stricter measures."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jwLjFm6GMBM

A decent article on the danger of gun-free zones.

http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...edium=facebook

Here is another article, this one from National Review, regarding the danger of gun-free zones. I will be curious to see if any state legislatures start acting on actual facts and data instead of emotions.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-carry-laws-do

Liberals only read liberal media and the liberal media contains little - no facts.

Liberals would rather watch five old women with the collective IQ of a sea cucumber discuss the merits of the "gun-free" zones. (The View)

Liberal media hung a Christian baker that refused to bake a gay wedding cake. Go into any muslim bakery and order a gay wedding cake and see what happens.

It's all about who controls the media.

Cascade Mall in Burlington, WA
 

Another mall shooting in Washington. One can only think with the absence of return fire that it took place in a Gun Free Zone like most of Washington's malls are.

Five dead in Cascade Mall shooting in Burlington; Police search for suspect

http://www.king5.com/news/local/five...gton/324940198

(Via KING 5)

Check out this article from USA TODAY:

Gunman at large after killing 5 at mall north of Seattle

http://usat.ly/2drcmk1

It's a good thing witnesses described the suspect as being Hispanic or I might jump to conclusions based on the photos released. Many 'illegals' in that area due to farming and tulip business.

Apparently it also seems that his "hunting rifle" fired 8-9 times which supports my thinking it's a Ruger 10/22 which is what I see in the photo. (Thank goodness it wasn't black or an AR.) Have the rifle so serial numbers, fingerprints and other DNA left behind. Hopefully won't take long to decipher what that leads to.

Suspect is still on the loose and if he's smart he should be in California by now. Even though he was only miles from Canada.

RIP to the victims.

Yeah I'm sure he's Hispanic, right up to the moment the police release the fact he was yelling "allahu snackbar" as he was pulling the trigger.

I've not been in a mall that was not a gun-free zone. I don't shop at malls, ever.

Aloha snackbar - subject in custody.

My suspicions were also correct - he not pollo but...served on the third Thursday in November.

Also not terrorism but domestic link to old girlfriend (she wasn't there any more) guess he went through all the trouble to kill her and when she wasn't there he decided to kill those who were there.

Lastly, don't let anyone tell you a .22 is less dangerous than a .223. Yes, it was a Ruger 10/22 that he used to kill five people.

Look forward to the mentally defective defense for murder. :rolleyes:

I guess someone owes Hispanics nationwide an apology.

I was wondering if this guy was carrying out a family sanction killing of sister or cousin (that most noble pastime known as honor killing) and her infidel boyfriend along with three other traitorous female muslim friends who were embracing the evil western culture.