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Stealthed 11-05-2009 19:28

Excerpt from CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/tex...ngs/index.html

(CNN) -- A soldier opened fire on a military processing center at Fort Hood in Texas on Thursday, killing 12 people and wounding 30, officials at the Army base said.

The gunman also was killed, Col. Benton Danner said.

Two other soldiers who were detained have been released, but another person of interest is in custody, said Christopher Haug, chief of public affairs at Fort Hood.

The gunman, slain by emergency personnel, was identified as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, a law enforcement source told CNN.

:(:mad:

akv 11-05-2009 19:28

My thoughts and prayers go to our soldiers at Fort Hood and their loved ones.


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Originally Posted by Billy L-bach
...sadly a country always gets the government they deserve.

I always look forward to the laconic wit of Billy L-bach's posts. I agreed with him on this point too, until today, yes America is responsible for Obama, choosing flash over substance, but we don't deserve this wretch. It makes the bile rise to think American blood is flowing, and this clown CIC is doing an Arsenio Hall imitation before addressing the situation.

Once again my prayers are with our troops.

US Patriot 11-05-2009 19:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by echoes (Post 294496)
Thank you for your service sir.

But after reading your post, my question is, What??? That this is okay? Or that it is being blown out of the water by the media? Or that it does not matter because this is common???:rolleyes::confused:

Holly

No.. I don't think that is OK by no means..... My post was in response to the one quoted... I feel sickened by this whole situation..... I am sorry if there was any confusion.....

Snaquebite 11-05-2009 19:47

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/...07290111052009

Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

Surf n Turf 11-05-2009 19:59

I don’t second guess anyone involved, but isn’t it just common sense that this guy was “just maybe, could be, gonna cause trouble”. Is it too PC to just question the man.
The religion of Peace my ass.
Sleep in peace my soldier lad’s, your battle's over
SnT


Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.
The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened…
One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.
The $64,000 questions: What was he doing at Fort Hood among the population if he thought suicide bombers were heroes?
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/0...-at-fort-hood/

The Reaper 11-05-2009 20:02

It would appear that the Army he hated paid for his medical degree and specialty schooling as a Psych.

President Obama is a disgrace and our men and women in uniform deserve a better CINC, one who actually cares about them. I hope that the people who voted for him are proud of his actions.

TR

bandycpa 11-05-2009 20:04

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801...e_and_courts//

Noting the Arabic nature of the gunman’s name, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington interest group, condemned “this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law.”

No political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence,” the council said in a statement. “The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured.”




Yeah, right.

Prayers out for our fallen warriors and their families.


Bandy

Snaquebite 11-05-2009 20:06

Quote:

It would appear that the Army he hated paid for his medical degree and specialty schooling as a Psych.
Wonder where the rest of the training came from...? No small feat to kill and wound that many folks with two pistols. That's a magazine change on each pistol and making almost every shot count.

Sigaba 11-05-2009 20:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surf n Turf (Post 294504)
What was he doing at Fort Hood among the population if he thought suicide bombers were heroes?

To take SnT's question a step farther: What is a psychiatrist with ideations of suicide doing near anyone who might rely on his professional expertise?

It is my hope that those investigating this massacre take a close look at anyone the man may dealt with to see if he planted seeds for self destruction in their thoughts.

US Patriot 11-05-2009 20:15

The F'ing f'er is still alive....

Snaquebite 11-05-2009 20:16

The shooter is not dead according to the Ft Hood CG,.....briefing now

PSM 11-05-2009 20:16

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Originally Posted by Snaquebite
The shooter is not dead according to the Ft Hood CG,.....briefing now.

He lives! Odd.

A single shooter kills 12, wounds 30. He had the wrong MOS. :rolleyes:

Pat

hoot72 11-05-2009 20:17

RIP to those who died...never forgotten.

Soak60 11-05-2009 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaquebite (Post 294507)
Wonder where the rest of the training came from...? No small feat to kill and wound that many folks with two pistols. That's a magazine change on each pistol and making almost every shot count.

That's what I'm wondering too. There must have been more resistance than just the LEO that took him down. Single shooter in an enclosed area with nothing but enemies. You have to have a lot of motivation to do something like this...generally more than a bad performance review.

Soak60 11-05-2009 20:23

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Originally Posted by Sigaba (Post 294509)
To take SnT's question a step farther: What is a psychiatrist with ideations of suicide doing near anyone who might rely on his professional expertise?

It is my hope that those investigating this massacre take a close look at anyone the man may dealt with to see if he planted seeds for self destruction in their thoughts.

That's a scary thought Sig. Glad I'm shipping to Benning, there's a couple of people at my station who I think were slated for Hood. They might've had somewhere else as a first stop for basic though.

Snaquebite 11-05-2009 20:27

Now the family will sue for leading them to believe he was dead....

Pete 11-05-2009 20:30

Shame
 
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Originally Posted by Snaquebite (Post 294511)
The shooter is not dead according to the Ft Hood CG,.....briefing now

A shame - now we will have to deal with the leftist pap during the trial.

Oh, and from the Islamist apologists - "he had mental problems."

May be it's time to conect the dots between Islam and ..........

Knight 11-05-2009 20:31

RIP to all the victims who have passed, the wounded and the families affected; this breaks my heart. As far as the POTUS, (if he deserves the title), sickens my guts! I will keep all other opinions about the way this is being and has been handled thus far to myself. :mad::(

The Reaper 11-05-2009 20:31

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Originally Posted by US Patriot (Post 294510)
The F'ing f'er is still alive....

That IS bad news.

I would let the victims' families decide what to do with him.

Personally, I vote for feeding him to the hogs.

TR

abc_123 11-05-2009 20:31

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 294519)
May be it's time to conect the dots between Islam and ..........

Move along.

There is nothing to see here.

Theses aren't the 'droids your looking for....

SF-TX 11-05-2009 20:32

AP sources: Authorities had concerns about suspected Fort Hood shooter, reviewed Web postings

By LARA JAKES and PAM HESS , Associated Press

Last update: November 5, 2009 - 8:26 PM


WASHINGTON - The Army psychiatrist suspected of carrying a shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, had come to the attention of authorities six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats, law enforcement officials said Thursday.

The postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was wounded during the shootings at the Army post that killed 12 soldiers and wounded at least 30 others. A Fort Hood spokesman had earlier said Hasan was killed.

The officials say they are still trying to confirm that Hasan was the author of the Internet postings. They say an official investigation was not opened.

One of the officials said late Thursday that federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize the seizure of Hasan's computer. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

"To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its (sic) more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause," said the Internet posting. "Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers."

Military officials said Hasan, 39, had worked for six years at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, where he had received a poor performance evaluation. He transferred to Fort Hood in July.

The officials, who had access to Hasan's military record, spoke on condition of anonymity because such records are confidential.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said Hasan was about to deploy overseas, but it was not known whether he was headed to Iraq or Afghanistan.

Retired Army Col. Terry Lee told Fox News that he worked with Hasan, who had hoped Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Lee said Hasan got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars, and had tried hard to prevent his pending deployment.

Hasan was single with no children. He was born in Virginia and graduated from Virginia Tech University, where he was a member of the ROTC and earned a bachelor's degree in biochemistry in 1997. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001. He did his internship, residency and a fellowship at Walter Reed.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/69...tml?page=1&c=y

US Patriot 11-05-2009 20:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 294522)
That IS bad news.

I would let the victims' families decide what to do with him.

Personally, I vote for feeding him to the hogs.

TR

Just pull his teeth first....:D

Sigaba 11-05-2009 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaquebite (Post 294507)
Wonder where the rest of the training came from...? No small feat to kill and wound that many folks with two pistols. That's a magazine change on each pistol and making almost every shot count.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soak60 (Post 294515)
That's what I'm wondering too. There must have been more resistance than just the LEO that took him down. Single shooter in an enclosed area with nothing but enemies. You have to have a lot of motivation to do something like this...generally more than a bad performance review.

It may not have been his skill set as a soldier alone that made him so effective as a killer.

One can browse a magazine like The California Psychologist and find numerous examples in the disciplinary section of mental health professionals manipulating their patients into serving as active participants in self-destructive acts.

Chris Cram 11-05-2009 20:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete (Post 294519)
A shame - now we will have to deal with the leftist pap during the trial.

Oh, and from the Islamist apologists - "he had mental problems."

May be it's time to conect the dots between Islam and ..........

Lethal Injection awaits... That seems to pleasant an end for this one.

SF-TX 11-05-2009 20:58

According to his cousin, Nader Hasan, Malik Nadal Hasan (the jihadi shooter) is a "good American, has always been a muslim and was born and raised here" [The United States].

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video0...w.foxnews.com/

T-Rock 11-05-2009 20:59

FOX just reported he didn’t act alone…:confused:

longrange1947 11-05-2009 20:59

Actually 9mm, crowded area, over penetration and you get a kill and several wounds with each shot. I would not attribute too much to his skill as the shock factor and the rounds ability to strike multiple subjects.

I vote we wrap him in pig skin, smeared in pig blood, and place him in the sun for the rest of his "natural life". :munchin

Warrior-Mentor 11-05-2009 21:26

Clealy allah protected him so he could tell his story... WTF!?

The Reaper 11-05-2009 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Cram (Post 294530)
Lethal Injection awaits... That seems to pleasant an end for this one.

Maybe.

10-15 years from now. After millions spent on appeals, trials, and his defense.

TR

BoyScout 11-05-2009 21:40

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Originally Posted by Warrior-Mentor (Post 294464)
Shooter's cousin is on FOX News now...

Saying shooter "is a good American..."

"His colleagues harassed him...that's why this happened."

Cousin's name is Nadar Hassan.

Said that shooter has always been a Muslim.

SHOOTER NEVER DEPLOYED.

Cousin cut off the interview in the middle of a question. "I have to go."

I'm praying for them to have strength as well as those those who are wounded, their families and the families of the fallen. I can honestly echo nearly every single sentiment said in this thread, I hope the Major gets what he deserves and rots in Hell. He hurt his own family as well and that pisses me off even more. Bury him with hogs and covered with their flesh, but does not even deserve that.

HOLLiS 11-05-2009 21:46

Rest In Peace and my condolences to the family and friend and a complete and speedy recovery for the wounded.

monsterhunter 11-05-2009 21:47

How long will we have to endure this type of incident while as a nation being forced to explain it away? Name calling, PTSD for a crazy shrink, he was a "good American" who was driven to...or some other form of crap. It takes no effort to see what's going on here. It's a shame it can't take place in a conventional environment. If it would only be that all these freaks would gather together and declare their intent. Then we could fight face to face instead of taking it in the back and unarmed.

It's difficult to endure when you are honest and will hold yourself to the boundaries you are given, unlike the monster who knows no bounds and respects no one.

God bless the innocent and their families who did nothing to deserve this. There's got to be a special place in hell for this evil monster disguised as a soldier.

T-Rock 11-05-2009 21:49

Six months ago Malik Nadal Hasan was quoted as saying "Muslims have the right to rise up against the US military"
The MSM are making excuses for him, saying he didn't want to go to war. None dare mention Jihad or that Al Qaeda directed Muslims to infiltrate the military for these very types of attacks.

American lives are being sacrificed at the alter of political correctness :mad:

Bill Harsey 11-05-2009 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by G (Post 294497)
I'm absolutely gutted for you guys......I wish all the injured a speedy recovery.

G, Thank you. That best describes my thoughts.

Prayers out for those lost, injured and the families of all.

doctom54 11-05-2009 22:26

My prayers for the slain and injured and their families.

GratefulCitizen 11-05-2009 22:34

Prayers and condolences.

dmgedgoods 11-05-2009 22:35

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kimberly 11-05-2009 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marina (Post 294489)
Recall plot to attack Fort Dix by self-radicalized, homegrown cell of immigrants from Jordan and other Muslim countries.

Sad that the military is at war, targeted here at home, and America is at the food court.

I can't imagine Obama will have the stomach to announce more troops for A'stan anytime soon.

prayers out for the fallen and the families

What is meant by this? Maybe I'm reading it incorrectly.

And I don't think Obama has been as affected by this action as we would all expect him to be. After all, he was at a very important conference this afternoon that took precedence over the shooting, and there were a lot of important people he had to thank and shout out to before addressing the issue of the Muslim who shot up one of our bases.

Sigaba 11-05-2009 23:05

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Originally Posted by dmgedgoods (Post 294552)
This is not PTSD.

I would think the investigation will determine if PTSD played a role.

Source is here.
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Anyone can get PTSD at any age. This includes war veterans and survivors of physical and sexual assault, abuse, accidents, disasters, and many other serious events.

Not everyone with PTSD has been through a dangerous event. Some people get PTSD after a friend or family member experiences danger or is harmed. The sudden, unexpected death of a loved one can also cause PTSD.
Source is here.
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Social Workers May Indirectly Experience Post-traumatic Stress

ScienceDaily (Jan. 10, 2007) — In the wake of national disasters such as the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and Hurricane Katrina as well as traumas such as sexual assault, social workers are among the first to help victims heal.

But a first of its kind study by a researcher in the University of Georgia School of Social Work finds that repeatedly hearing the stories of trauma victims doubles the risk of social workers themselves experiencing post-traumatic stress disorder.

In a study published in the January issue of the journal Social Work, assistant professor Brian Bride finds that while 7.8 percent of the general population experience PTSD over a lifetime, 15 percent of the social workers surveyed met the diagnostic criteria for PTSD within the week prior to being surveyed.

“In addition to working with disaster victims, social workers hear from children who have been sexually abused, victims of incest, rape, and people who have experienced the horrors of combat and community violence,” Bride said. “Hearing these stories over and over can produce thoughts and images that can be traumatic.”

The phenomenon of being indirectly victimized by trauma, known as secondary traumatic stress disorder, has only recently gained the attention of researchers. It was first recognized a decade ago in spouses of war veterans and family members of holocaust survivors. Bride said his study is the first to examine the phenomenon in a broad sample of social workers.

He surveyed nearly 300 practicing social workers in fields such as mental health and substance abuse, health care, child welfare and school social work and found that:
  • 40 percent thought about their work with traumatized clients without intending to
  • 22 percent reported feeling detached from others
  • 26 percent felt emotionally numb
  • 28 percent had a sense of foreshortened future
  • 27 percent reported irritability
  • 28 percent reported concentration difficulties
PTSD is a disorder characterized by symptoms that include repeated and unwanted memories of the event, avoidance responses such as emotional numbness, and so-called arousal responses such as hypervigilance or difficulty concentrating. Bride’s study found that 55 percent of those surveyed met one diagnostic criteria, 20 percent met two criteria and 15 percent met the three criteria necessary for a diagnosis of PTSD.

Bride said that although rates of secondary traumatic stress are significant among social workers, awareness of the disorder among professionals is low.

“Social workers may hear about burnout and they may hear about self care,” Bride said. “But they’re not hearing about secondary post traumatic stress disorder.”

He recommends that colleges and universities educate social work students on how to minimize the risk of secondary traumatic stress. Bride also urges employers to provide continuing education on the subject and to offer appropriate workloads, support, time off and mental health insurance.

Bride said that social workers themselves can reduce the likelihood of secondary traumatic stress by finding time for themselves and activities they enjoy. He also recommends that social workers understand which cases are most distressing to them and to schedule those clients so they are not a disproportionate share of their workload.

People enter helping professions such as social work because they want to make a difference, Bride said, but he warns that secondary traumatic stress has the potential to reduce the quality of care social workers provide and may ultimately drive people from the profession.

“We suspect that people are leaving social work because of this,” he said.
And also <<LINK>>.

Understanding why these acts were committed does not mean we have to justify them.

hoepoe 11-05-2009 23:10

Sincere condolences to friends and family of those killed.

A speedy and complete recovery to those wounded.

H


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