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Old Dog New Trick 10-03-2015 02:24

The world needs more Sheepdogs and Shepherds, lest we are willing to allow the Wolves to devour the Sheep.

When every 'legally' capable citizen authorized by the U.S. Constitution to exercise their 2A rights over and above the "unconstitutional" laws of the state, federal government and local ordinances, chooses life and liberty over safety and public order, these incidents of murder and violence will be quickly relegated to the back pages of history.

It should be our goal as a civilization that each and everyone of us is responsible for ourselves and each other. To protect oneself and one's family and others from harm is a human right, not a responsibility of the police. 911 is not nor should it be expected to be a replacement for self defense or the protection from evil doers and illegal activities. Each citizen is already granted that right and the right to detain and make arrests. The police and judicial systems are simply there to follow up, investigate, and determine innocence and guilt. They are not our "protectors" but the enforces of laws (Constitutional laws) of our nation and states.

As our forefathers saw before us and established the documents that created us, they knew and had experienced the tyranny and oppression of dictators and kings alike. Lest we forget what they bled and sacrificed so much for. We too must bleed and sacrifice for the mistakes of the past to improve the future.

Mr, President, tear down these signs "Gun Free Zone!"

Badger52 10-03-2015 02:42

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Originally Posted by sinjefe (Post 594344)
How different it might have been had that college NOT been a gun free zone.:(

+1

It's past time that those disposed to do so simply carry anyway.

MtnGoat 10-03-2015 06:37

How long did it take for President Obama to give this same order for Chattanooga shooting?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...ooting-victims

JJ_BPK 10-03-2015 06:55

How long before berry invites Chris Mintz to the HW???

craigepo 10-03-2015 08:07

You have to give it to the liberals---they can absolutely ignore the issue of this shooter targeting Christians, talk about inanimate objects (guns), and the media jumps on the issue like the carrion that they are.

If you have a few minutes, take a look at the way the National Review reporter handles the debate. It's rather telling that it takes a Brit to handle the argument for Second Amendment issues.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...thing-nr-staff

Spalding117 10-03-2015 08:15

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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 594350)
How long before berry invites Chris Mintz to the HW???

This would give me so much hope.

That article was very eye opening, and something I intend to live by and spread.
Don't give jackasses what they want, let them die like they lived, spineless nobodies.
RIP the fallen.

echoes 10-03-2015 08:17

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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK (Post 594350)
How long before berry invites Chris Mintz to the HW???

JMHO Sir,

He won't, because he knows deep down in his coal-charred-Islamic-heart that Chris Mintz is a US Veteran, and completely OUT of his league!

The O can only dream of having the Courage of REAL War Vets! :mad:

Holly...Prayers Out to Chris.:(

Bracholi 10-03-2015 08:20

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Originally Posted by PRB (Post 594287)
We, the US, granted very specific rights to the mentally challenged back in the 1980's...it is almost impossible to get someone committed without their own consent.
We went with individual liberty, strongly, to the point that many that should be institutionalized are out and about.
How do we find the fine line?

I believe we can all agree backpedaling needs, and has needed for some time, to be done. To solve a compromise between individual liberty and need to protect society I believe a solution is two-fold. Re-empower parents (the carrot) but make them fully culpable for their child (the stick). Even if a child has grown into "adulthood" and moved out, if the parent ignored the signs, and such evidence is available to that fact, they're still responsible (I've never met a parent of any adult whom didn't feel responsible in some part to the actions of their child regardless of the age of either). If people have forgotten how to feel the powerful senses of pride, disappointment, fear, etc. towards their children we will just have to remind them. Nothing will remind Mrs. Welfare Baby Isapaycheck of her personal responsibility and the powerful emotions present in parenting like a 20 year sentence when her "sweet innocent baby boy" is shot dead after trying to kill a police officer and it is determined that she knew her boy was troubled and did nothing.

Going back to the carrot though, if you know your child is troubled, mentally deficient, and potentially dangerous, you should be able to document this in childhood. If the government is incapable, unwilling, or simply unable to prevent your child from a murderous rampage, but you've done everything you can, you really have already suffered more than you deserved. One tool that should be at your disposal though, is to adjudicate your child as mentally deficient just before adulthood.

A child remains a child only so long. When they reach adulthood, they've now arbitrarily been deemed completely mentally competent by a system which has changed the very definition of socially acceptable behaviors, normalization, criminality, etc. [Obviously we have a language barrier in this country, some of us speak the same language our founding fathers used to forge the very framework of our nation upon; whilst the other side have found that words only mean what they say they mean at which time that definition is deemed convenient... but I digress]

We need to re-establish a criteria by which a person whom has been identified either through [later in life] repeated incidence of criminal activity [which will likely never stop a school shooting done by a young adult], or by identifications of a psychological pathology by involved parents and school administrations. A metric can then be determined. A sliding scale might work best, in which a sliding scale of pathological tendencies are rated from Generally Recognized as Malignant to Potential Risk to Self or Society. If the child is dangerous, they can be made a ward of the parent(s) through judicial ruling, or if necessary due to a lack of family capability, availability, etc., a ward of the state.

I can't imagine how with all the tragedies which have occurred which, excepting the obvious but misreported Islamic terrorist attacks, have been carried out by mentally ill people. The sad reality is that if we're unwilling to allow everyone to defend themselves, and actually something fundamentally more destructive to our nation, people are unwilling to "sink so low" as to carry a firearm in their own defense, then at the very least we should be arming our parents, schools, and law enforcement with the ability to shift these mentally ill folks into a system actually designed to ensure the highest quality of life, while virtually eliminating the risks those same people pose to the rest of society,.. Well we're just going to have to become desensitized as people have been saying. "Sorry for you loss, but at least it wasn't me or mine this time around."

Anyways, that's my .47 cents.
My apologies if I beat the horse to a pulp. I just am ready for some real hope to be restored, and maybe some real change, from the bottom up. If we can't convince Washington to change their ways, we can ignore Washington and operate independently first, locally second, etc etc.

Team Sergeant 10-03-2015 10:45

GUN FREE = DEATH ZONES
 
Takes a long time for the Sheeple to realize that GUN FREE = DEATH ZONE. Going to take many more sheeple dying before the appropriate changes are made.

Liberals know they cannot be in power with armed citizens and the only road to tyranny/oppression is a disarmed people.

GUN FREE = DEATH ZONE

GratefulCitizen 10-03-2015 11:21

Not convinced the nation, as a whole, is any more dangerous than it was in decades past.
Information technology just makes it feel that way.

A caveat: particular places may be worse than they had been, but there have always been areas to avoid, e.g. "bad neighborhoods".

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...lumn/73199052/


It's all about the spin.
The media wants people to feel helpless.

Fact is, a man fought, and lived.
Others surrendered, and were executed.

Several years ago, there was a particular case where muslim terrorists were executing captives and distributing the videos they made.
One man refused to kneel for his execution, proudly fighting a battle he knew he couldn't win, and saying "I'll show you how an Italian dies!"

The terrorists didn't want that video circulating.
It undermined the propaganda war.

The propaganda war for those who would dominate and oppress (foreign or domestic) is about perpetuating fear and helplessness.
Surrender your Liberty to the supposed strongman and he will save you.

Save you from what?
Death?

EVERYBODY DIES EVENTUALLY.
The question is: How will you live?

VVVV 10-03-2015 13:58

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Originally Posted by echoes (Post 594353)
JMHO Sir,

He won't, because he knows deep down in his coal-charred-Islamic-heart that Chris Mintz is a US Veteran, and completely OUT of his league!

The O can only dream of having the Courage of REAL War Vets! :mad:

Holly...Prayers Out to Chris.:(

So, then why did he invite the 3 Americans (2 Vets) who acted heroically on the train in France to the WH?

VVVV 10-03-2015 14:01

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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen (Post 594364)
Not convinced the nation, as a whole, is any more dangerous than it was in decades past.
Information technology just makes it feel that way.

A caveat: particular places may be worse than they had been, but there have always been areas to avoid, e.g. "bad neighborhoods".

Amen!

MtnGoat 10-04-2015 00:51

Gun Free Zones work!!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozJTenNzUKM

Don't want a gun in your house, here you go!!

JJ_BPK 10-04-2015 07:20

Tin Foil Crowd??

Or Comrade Vladimir's PR guys blowing smoke??

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Home » Breaking News, Crimes, North America, Terrorism »

Oregon Mass Shooter On Terror List Obama Refused To Take From Russia

Posted by EU Times on Oct 2nd, 2015 // 742 Comments 5K

The Federal Security Services (FSB) is reporting today that an American black-Islamist terror suspect, who yesterday committed an act of mass murder in the State of Oregon (United States), had been included on a list of 87,000 “known/suspected” Islamic terrorists that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL) refused last month to accept from the Federation due to its not being “politically viable in the present atmosphere”.

According to this report, the black-Islamist terrorist who committed this act of terror, Chris Harper Mercer, had previously been indentified by electronic intelligence specialists within the Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) as being an Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL) adherent after he had attempted to gain passage to Syria via Turkey during the first week of September, 2015.

By the Obama regime refusing to accept this terror list from the Federation, this report continues, Mercer was able to accomplish his terror act when yesterday he killed 9 people and wounded 7 others at the Umpqua Community College prior to his being shot and killed by local US police forces.

http://www.eutimes.net/2015/10/orego...e-from-russia/


BrokenSwitch 10-04-2015 07:41

They said the same thing about Tsarnaev. :munchin


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