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The Reaper 07-17-2014 19:57
I wonder if President Obama is happy with his buddy Vlad right now:

"This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."

Flexible enough to keep on his fundraising tour and ignore the State sanctioned murders of nearly 300 people?

The ends justify the means, eh tovarisch?

TR

Sdiver 07-17-2014 21:08
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 557290)
I wonder if President Obama is happy with his buddy Vlad right now:

"This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."

Flexible enough to keep on his fundraising tour and ignore the State sanctioned murders of nearly 300 people?

The ends justify the means, eh tovarisch?

TR
Oh Barry's probably doing a serious "Happy Dance" over this.

Takes the focus off his latest scandal.

Which one is it again ????

Oh yeah ... something about illegal immigrants flooding/invading our southern boarder.

Tree Potato 07-17-2014 22:01
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brush Okie (Post 557254)
So my question is why some jack ass CEO made the decision to let civilian airline full of their passengers fly over a combat zone? I realize it would cost more in fuel to route around but anyone that didn't see this coming is an idiot.
Granted, it was a Malaysian flight, but... our FAA advised US carriers to exercise extreme caution in the area back in April; the NOTAM is valid until April 2015.

http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publi...RAINE_SFAR.pdf

Quote:
F. ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS (NOT INCLUDED IN SFAR 113).
U.S. OPERATORS AND AIRMEN FLYING INTO, OUT OF, WITHIN, OR TRANSITING
LVOV (UKLV), KYIV(UKBV), DNEPROPETROVSK (UKDV), AND ODESSA (UKOV)
FIRS, AS WELL AS AIRSPACE IN THE SIMFEROPOL (UKFV) FIR THAT IS OUTSIDE
THE LATERAL LIMITS OF SFAR 113 AIRSPACE DESCRIBED ABOVE, MUST
REVIEW CURRENT SECURITY/THREAT INFORMATION AND NOTAMS; COMPLY
WITH ALL APPLICABLE FAA REGULATIONS, OPERATIONS SPECIFICATIONS,
MANAGEMENT SPECIFICATIONS, AND LETTERS OF AUTHORIZATION,
INCLUDING UPDATING B450; AND EXERCISE EXTREME CAUTION DUE TO THE
CONTINUING POTENTIAL FOR INSTABILITY. U.S. OPERATORS MUST REPORT
SAFETY AND/OR SECURITY INCIDENTS TO THE FAA

Richard 07-18-2014 08:15
The corridor being used by the Malaysian Airlines flight was outside the warning areas and 15 of 16 East Asian airlines were currently using it. Not now.

http://news.yahoo.com/why-airlines-d...--finance.html

Richard

Snaquebite 07-18-2014 09:09
POTUS: Hey Vlad...I need some help. They're beating me up over this immigration problem and all kinds of other things. Think you can help me out?
PUTIN: Sure...Think a plane being shot down will create enough diversion? We can talk about what you will owe me later.
POTUS: Damn....Great idea...get back to me when you figure out what you need in return.

1stindoor 07-18-2014 10:07
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sdiver (Post 557293)
Oh Barry's probably doing a serious "Happy Dance" over this.

Takes the focus off his latest scandal.

Which one is it again ????

Oh yeah ... something about illegal immigrants flooding/invading our southern boarder.
You're close...
It was actually illegal immigrants flooding the IRS computers with claims for VA benefits for free healthcare being denied due to racism by conservative based TEA Party organizations. :D

Lan 07-18-2014 10:28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaquebite (Post 557308)
POTUS: Hey Vlad...I need some help. They're beating me up over this immigration problem and all kinds of other things. Think you can help me out?
PUTIN: Sure...Think a plane being shot down will create enough diversion? We can talk about what you will owe me later.
POTUS: Damn....Great idea...get back to me when you figure out what you need in return.
*ring ring*
PUTIN: Yo! Bama.. Got it. Teach me everything you know about communism.

cbtengr 07-18-2014 12:27
The POTUS has vowed to get to the bottom of this. I do not know when he is going to find the time, he has such a long list of things to get to the bottom of.

ddoering 07-18-2014 13:03
He can put the AG on it. He's not doing anything.

PSM 07-18-2014 16:36
Quote:
Originally Posted by cbtengr (Post 557322)
The POTUS has vowed to get to the bottom of this. I do not know when he is going to find the time, he has such a long list of things to get to the bottom of.
Why get involved at all. Other than the manufacturer being a US corporation (and it is clearly not their fault), I don't see what our interest is. Unless we have some agreement/treaty with Malaysia that dictates that we should.

Pat

The Reaper 07-18-2014 17:08
I suspect that the "separatists"/ Russians whose names are on the voice intercepts will disappear in the next few days, as will the crew that fired the missile.

Putin will leave no witnesses to his involvement.

Watch and see.

TR

Richard 07-18-2014 18:48
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 557340)
I suspect that the "separatists"/ Russians whose names are on the voice intercepts will disappear in the next few days, as will the crew that fired the missile.

Putin will leave no witnesses to his involvement.

Watch and see.

TR
According to the evening news, their commander, Igor the Rifleman, has already vanished and the assumed launcher system minus 2 missiles was video'd on a HET enroute back to Russia today.

As for the "separatists"...Russia's version of Black Water...

Quote:
ABC News consultant Richard Clarke, a former White House counter-terrorism advisor, said that while there are certainly many Ukrainians fighting in the rebel movement, many of the “core” group of militants are actually former soldiers from Russia. By using those men, Clarke said, the Russian government maintains “deniability.”

“They are soldiers of fortune, Rambo types who have fought in Russian wars,” Clarke said. “They are people in close contact with the Russian security services, people who have apartments and homes in Moscow, and people who are probably being paid by Russian security services to be the military heart and core of the rebels… These are the dogs of war.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/pro-ru...ry?id=24627839
And once upon a time there were 'Brandenburgers"...

Richard

abc_123 07-20-2014 12:58
Quote:
Originally Posted by PSM (Post 557337)
Why get involved at all. Other than the manufacturer being a US corporation (and it is clearly not their fault), I don't see what our interest is. Unless we have some agreement/treaty with Malaysia that dictates that we should.

Pat
Because there was an American citizen on board? To f*** with Russia? Considering this was a terrorist act, if we needed an excuse this would be it


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