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PSM 08-04-2013 19:48

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 517876)
I saw a lot of words banned by 'government mandate' when I was in government service; rightfully so.

Richard

In that case, the "government" was your employer. That's "Workplace Compliance" in Newspeak. Our crews at Western Airlines were not allowed to greet Capt. John P. Xxxxxxxx with "Hi Jack"; rightfully so. ;)

As far as I know, in non-broadcast conversation, the Government has not (yet) banned citizens from using certain words or terms.

Pat

GratefulCitizen 08-04-2013 21:34

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Originally Posted by 98G (Post 517854)
It is that boredom people have with their jobs and the disregard to do the jobs well that is the real irritant.

It extends from the food service industry all the way to the White House. This idea that every day and every action are just another day; just another action. We are inundated with mediocracy.

Thought about this when I ran into poor service at a Burger King a few years ago.
The private sector and government are not analogous.

I wanted a cheap burger.
Got what I wanted (eventually...).

Burger King wanted cheap labor.
They got what they wanted.

The employees wanted jobs which didn't hold them to a high standard.
They got what they wanted.

Voluntary transactions.
Everyone got what they wanted.


The problem with government is the fact that transactions are not voluntary.
Involuntary transactions are made backed by the threat of force.

The private sector has built-in self-correction.
Government has built-in self-perpetuation.

badshot 08-04-2013 22:30

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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen (Post 517908)
Thought about this when I ran into poor service at a Burger King a few years ago.
The private sector and government are not analogous.

I wanted a cheap burger.
Got what I wanted (eventually...).

Burger King wanted cheap labor.
They got what they wanted.

The employees wanted jobs which didn't hold them to a high standard.
They got what they wanted.

Voluntary transactions.
Everyone got what they wanted.


The problem with government is the fact that transactions are not voluntary.
Involuntary transactions are made backed by the threat of force.

The private sector has built-in self-correction.
Government has built-in self-perpetuation.

That was beautiful man; damn righteous too.

All that crap creates impediments and a bunch of whinning wimps; not helpful to anyone especially the ones whom are 'hurt' all the time.

Sadly, a brother and sister were both infected and never sought counselling; the ramifications were far greater than they'll ever know.

JHD 08-05-2013 05:59

As to being politically correct, I heard or read, can't remember where, within the last few months at the only person we are not worried about offending somehow is God.

Almost anything and everything someone's says will be found offensive at some point in time by someone. The intent of the speaker should be looked at rather than how the language is interpreted, IMO.

If I ask for a black coffee, it means just that, not that I am asking for a black coffee to express my disdain for someone's skin color; or if I ask for coffee with extra cream because I like it "light" isn't an indication that I prefer white people. People are just plain stupid sometimes.

Paslode 08-05-2013 07:05

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 517890)
Keep believing that - it is what it is...no matter what you seek to call it. :(

Richard

Don't put on the sad face Richard, what you are saying is not lost on me. However I do believe what I stated as being true and we all see and it hear it daily.

A good example example is the N-Word and all it's variations.

Many would make a choice to be offended if I were to use any of those words, yet many turn right around and find it completely acceptable if another person says them or refers to others with those very same words.

98G 08-05-2013 07:30

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Originally Posted by Paslode (Post 517926)
Don't put on the sad face Richard, what you are saying is not lost on me. However I do believe what I stated as being true and we all see and it hear it daily.

A good example example is the N-Word and all it's variations.

Many would make a choice to be offended if I were to use any of those words, yet many turn right around and find it completely acceptable if another person says them or refers to others with those very same words.

Amazingly, there are double standards in this world. Each of us can, though, choose to live up to our own set of standards. In this way, we have no need of any racist terminology, nor do we worry about who "get's to say it" and who does not. It would certainly not make my list. If someone else wants to hold themselves to a different standard, I have no intention to blindly follow.

How many of us were asked by our parents, "If XXX jumped off a bridge, would you?"

So to me, Seattle will decide what Seattle accepts. That is local democracy in action. If they embrace their tax paying residents and give them a voice, that may just be part of America's exceptionalism. If the local citizenry object, a few votes can truly swing local elections.

sinjefe 08-05-2013 07:37

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Originally Posted by 98G (Post 517928)
So to me, Seattle will decide what Seattle accepts. That is local democracy in action. If they embrace their tax paying residents and give them a voice, that may just be part of America's exceptionalism. If the local citizenry object, a few votes can truly swing local elections.

How true. But, by the same token, I can choose not to live in Seattle because of their "policicaly incorrect lunacy" (just as I choose not to live in California and New Engalnd for the same reasons).

98G 08-05-2013 07:55

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Originally Posted by sinjefe (Post 517930)
How true. But, by the same token, I can choose not to live in Seattle because of their "policicaly incorrect lunacy" (just as I choose not to live in California and New Engalnd for the same reasons).

This Georgia girl agrees. That is the beauty of 50 unique states in the Union. Besides, it rains too much in Seattle and Starbucks over-roasts their beans.

Richard 08-05-2013 07:57

The sad face is that you seem to see nothing wrong with a response like "I am white enough" to a simple question of cream in a cup of coffee in a discussion about political correctness and language knowing full well the double entendre you intended.

As for others using similar language, it's an issue that, too, is being openly challenged and undergoing change among all sectors of our ever evolving society - however, using a "what's sauce for the goose" argument to attempt to justify a callous remark is even sadder.

I agree with 98G - it's their community to decide for themselves.

Richard

medic&commo 08-05-2013 08:31

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 517934)
The sad face is that you seem to see nothing wrong with a response like "I am white enough" to a simple question of cream in a cup of coffee in a discussion about political correctness and language knowing full well the double entendre you intended.

As for others using similar language, it's an issue that, too, is being openly challenged and undergoing change among all sectors of our ever evolving society - however, using a "what's sauce for the goose" argument to attempt to justify a callous remark is even sadder.

I agree with 98G - it's their community to decide for themselves.

Richard

The only problem, if any - Is that language sets a precedence for others to follow.
Given the sheeple nature it would be accepted, even if it wasn't desired by those that cared.
m&c

mark46th 08-05-2013 09:48

Didn't someone once say that political correctness equates to believing it is possible to pick up a turd by the clean end?

Paslode 08-09-2013 08:00

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 517934)
The sad face is that you seem to see nothing wrong with a response like "I am white enough" to a simple question of cream in a cup of coffee in a discussion about political correctness and language knowing full well the double entendre you intended.

As for others using similar language, it's an issue that, too, is being openly challenged and undergoing change among all sectors of our ever evolving society - however, using a "what's sauce for the goose" argument to attempt to justify a callous remark is even sadder.

I agree with 98G - it's their community to decide for themselves.

Richard

Intent, perception, and double meanings.

98G's reference to "The barista/waiter/waitress/server" was non-race specific, so for all you know I was poking fun at my own complexion or race and not suggesting I was worthy of preferential treatment.



When the government begins dictating what we can or cannot say, re-defines words and decides what words from the education system...Today it's this word or phrase what will it be tomorrow.

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NYC Dept. of Education pushes to ban 50 “forbidden” words from standardized tests
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Following is the full list of words that could be banned:

Abuse (physical, sexual, emotional, or psychological)
Alcohol (beer and liquor), tobacco, or drugs
Birthday celebrations (and birthdays)
Bodily functions
Cancer (and other diseases)
Catastrophes/disasters (tsunamis and hurricanes)
Celebrities
Children dealing with serious issues
Cigarettes (and other smoking paraphernalia)
Computers in the home (acceptable in a school or library setting)
Crime
Death and disease
Divorce
Evolution
Expensive gifts, vacations, and prizes
Gambling involving money
Halloween
Homelessness
Homes with swimming pools
Hunting
Junk food
In-depth discussions of sports that require prior knowledge
Loss of employment
Nuclear weapons
Occult topics (i.e. fortune-telling)
Parapsychology
Politics
Pornography
Poverty
Rap Music
Religion
Religious holidays and festivals (including but not limited to Christmas, Yom Kippur, and Ramadan)
Rock-and-Roll music
Running away
Sex
Slavery
Terrorism
Television and video games (excessive use)
Traumatic material (including material that may be particularly upsetting such as animal shelters)
Vermin (rats and roaches)
Violence
War and bloodshed
Weapons (guns, knives, etc.)
Witchcraft, sorcery, etc.

http://www.guns.com/2013/08/08/nyc-d...ardized-tests/

Richard 08-09-2013 08:49

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Originally Posted by Paslode (Post 518488)
Intent, perception, and double meanings.

98G's reference to "The barista/waiter/waitress/server" was non-race specific, so for all you know I was poking fun at my own complexion or race and not suggesting I was worthy of preferential treatment.

I'm sure that is a comment you would not have made to an African American barista asking whether you wanted cream or sugar in your coffee - so the rhetorical question begs itself, if not to such a barista, why at all or why here. Fin.

I was giving the "citizen" vs "resident" issue some thought and, after reflecting on it, find a logical case for Seattle's intent in using the latter over the former, in general terms, when addressing public matters within the confines of its community.

Seattle does not offer citizenship, as far as I know, and there are many residents living in its environs who may not be citizens but do work, pay taxes, and have an influence on the character of the community, as well as its local government and their decision-making. There are also many citizens who are there as work-related temporary residents from other communities and neither pay local taxes (beyond the ubiquitous sales or tourism taxes or such) nor vote in local matters, but still manage to have an influence upon the culture of the community and its leaders.

Just something to think about - but I find the kerfluffle over their decision to use "resident" as much ado aboout doodoo.

Richard

MR2 08-09-2013 09:15

and besides, some of those 'residents' might actually be legal (including those bused in from Chicago)...

Paslode 08-09-2013 14:39

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 518495)
I'm sure


And I was sure you would assume as much.


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