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mojaveman 10-06-2011 21:39

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004 (Post 417575)
Call me delusional, but I think things would have to get REALLY bad, and even then, it would depend. The American people are generally a reasonable people, they aren't a bunch of people bent on overthrowing the government. You have to worry about a revolution if you have some fixed aristocracy at the top that is either abusing the people or just flat-out doesn't care about the plight of the people. America is a liberal democracy, with a government that is elected and accountable to the people. What would a revolution accomplish? We establish another liberal democracy? I don't think a revolution would appeal to reasonable people. The whole beauty of a liberal democracy is that if you don't like your government, you get to vote in new people every few years, thereby negating any need for a revolution.

The people who usually riot or call for revolution tend to be the ones with a major entitlement mindset, for example the protests in Greece where the people don't want to work more htan thirty hours a week and don't want to retire later than fifty years-old, and so forth. Such protesters are like the adult version of children. In poor areas filled with welfare recipients living off the dole, I could imagine similar protests or riots even, but not from the broader society.

In order for a real revolution to take place, things would have to get bad to the point that the country seemed to be becoming a literal failed state, was literally collapsing. But I do not think things will get that bad.

I won't call you delusional but maybe a bit young. All it took to set Los Angeles ablaze and for scores of people to lose their lives in '92 was a verdict that was read by a jury. I was working in LA during that era and remember the events well. Under the right circumstances civil unrest can come about very easily. Look at what's been happening in the Middle-East. It can all happen here too.

Box 10-06-2011 22:30

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004 (Post 417575)
The people who usually riot or call for revolution tend to be the ones with a major entitlement mindset, for example the protests in Greece where the people don't want to work more htan thirty hours a week and don't want to retire later than fifty years-old, and so forth. Such protesters are like the adult version of children. In poor areas filled with welfare recipients living off the dole, I could imagine similar protests or riots even, but not from the broader society.

...kind of like the occupation of wall street?
...or Rosanne Barr calling for reeducation camps and beheadings for rich people that dont want to submit to the redistribution of their wealth?


We may need to redefine what "really bad" means so I know what to look out for since there are already headlines that read "Occupy Wall Street' Protests Turn Violent"

Nothing to see here...
...move along

Dusty 10-07-2011 05:52

These are loons that factored strongly in the 2008 election.

These protests are a good sign. They display panic.

Paslode 10-07-2011 06:35

BS2004,

We do have a portion of the Upper Tier that abuses the people and it doesn't give a good damn about the plight of the people. Their sole concern is profit and job security.

There is another portion of the Upper Tier who could make a difference, but won't intervene because it might hurt business.

If I am not mistaken the founders set up a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy or a Liberal Democracy for a reason. And I do believe part of that reason was that in a Democracy everyone has a say. Democracy is Mob mentality and the mob can vote itself anything and will eventually vote itself out of existence.

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The people who usually riot or call for revolution tend to be the ones with a major entitlement mindset
Really? I know you are joking.

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What would a revolution accomplish? We establish another liberal democracy? I don't think a revolution would appeal to reasonable people.
No? Countless reasonable people who thought they did it right have had their pensions and savings looted. They have been lied to, used and abused. The system has failed and continues to fail them. And looting continues as we speak.

Revolution, what better way to bring the crooks to justice in the minds of those that have been used and abused.......and there will be someone out there to feed that high for ulterior motives.

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In order for a real revolution to take place, things would have to get bad to the point that the country seemed to be becoming a literal failed state, was literally collapsing. But I do not think things will get that bad.
We are bankrupt, I would call that real bad, I would call that a failure......it is just that we have not admitted it.



Americans do tend to be reasonable people, and most of us are not bent on over throwing our government. And these days, those same reasonable people have a tendency to ignore loony-toon types and so-called fringe elements of society such as communists, etc. So much so that we allow loons like Ward Churchill, Piven, Van Jones and Bill Ayers to walk the earth and lead our children.

Why? We have jobs, We don't have time, It might hurt business...Bill Ayers, Oh he is JUST one person, he can't do any harm....so we ignore and leave for someone else to clean up.

Team Sergeant 10-07-2011 07:05

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Originally Posted by Paslode (Post 417598)
BS2004,

We do have a portion of the Upper Tier that abuses the people and it doesn't give a good damn about the plight of the people. Their sole concern is profit and job security.

There is another portion of the Upper Tier who could make a difference, but won't intervene because it might hurt business.

.

Chairman Mao would be proud.....

Dusty 10-07-2011 07:36

To the shelters! It's spread to Greensboro!
 
http://video.foxnews.com/v/120567379...orth-carolina/

Utah Bob 10-07-2011 08:49

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Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc (Post 408095)
He looks closer to post-menopausal....

Just sayin...:D

Aha! That would explain my mood swings.:eek:

ZonieDiver 10-07-2011 09:11

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Originally Posted by Dusty (Post 417605)

The dude in the burgundy tee shirt near the beginning looks like my brother-in-law! Greensboro is "Commie-Central!

Paslode 10-07-2011 09:57

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 417602)
Chairman Mao would be proud.....

Of our bureaucrats, politicians and thieves like Immelt & Blankfein.........yes he would be.

Box 10-07-2011 10:57

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This is a group of mostly leftist looney-toon types I'd say, along with ignorant young people who don't really know any better (the kind wearing designer clothing and carrying iPods, iPads, laptops, etc...while calling for the downfall of capitalism and Wall Street). I do not think it at all represents mainstream America.
-Rosanne Barr is a flat-out communist-socialist though, she too doesn't represent broader America I'd say, just a small very radical fringe
-Ordinary working Americans are not going to riot.
-Also, ordinary Americans are not as dumb as folks like Jay Leno like to show them to be.
I agree with you 100%...

The "occupation" crowd is exactly how you describe them, they are a bunch of modern day hippies "...wearing designer clothing and carrying iPods, iPads, laptops, etc...while calling for the downfall of capitalism"

However, I am also sure that you agree that it was not "mainstream England" that fought against the King during the American Revolution...

People like Jay Leno and Rosanne Barr act as though mainstream America is too stupid to come in out of the rain (and they have something we dont, a media platform that gives them the power of perception.)...

It was not "mainstream Europe" that caused two world wars...

It was not "mainstream Islam" that flew commercial airplanes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon... (at least that's what I have been told)

It was not mainstream America that bombed the Alfred P Murrah building in Oklahoma City...

It is my opinion that the occupation of wall street crowd is the modern day incarnation of the hippies that protested "the man" back in the 60's...
Now those hippies from the 60's are in government jobs fucking up our economy as they practice their favorite forms of corruption.

Where is the occupation of wall street crowd (with their ipods and cell phones) going to be in ten years? The Barrs and Sarandons and Baldwins and Moores and Penns encourage and even glorify this type of behavior. They have the benefit of using their celebrity status to lend credibility to their nutty opinions. They show up at events with an entourage and some TV cameras, they make a speech, incite the crowd, and then they retire to their castles while the peasants continue protest for the cause. (whatever that cause may be)

Again, just my opinion, but in the 60's the country wrote off "hippies" as being a harmless bunch of potheads that would eventually kill themselves off with drug overdoses and syphilis...
...instead, the hippies finished college and gave birth to a new generation of smarter, techno savvy hippies with better drugs. Smelly, dope smoking, misguided hippies that need "the man" to provide them with iPODS and cell phone so they can post to Facebook while they protest "the man"


Just my observation.

Dusty 10-07-2011 11:21

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Originally Posted by Billy L-bach (Post 417649)
I agree with you 100%...
The Barrs and Sarandons and Baldwins and Moores and Penns encourage and even glorify this type of behavior. They have the benefit of using their celebrity status to lend credibility to their nutty opinions.

And Obama understands it. Community agitating on a national level.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-economy.html

Intel Cop 10-07-2011 13:31

This link lays out some of the connections between the Occupy protestors and the big money liberals (including Obama):

http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2011/10/0...confrontation/

It is a shame that we don't see this type of anger/frustration pointed right where it belongs - the government - instead of towards the industry that almost single-handedly keeps NYC going and employs thousands in the region.

Broadsword, I agree with your assertions regarding the average American, but want to add a further point. The regular people who work, take care of their families, and go about their daily lives, maybe slightly affected by the current economy but not put out on the streets, are still incredibly comfortable and don't have to worry about necessities. It is highly unlikely that we would see European-style, large scale riots unless the "average American" began to have problems securing necessities, no matter how connected to and frustrated by the political process we are.

On a side note, I'm hoping to get some overtime from these protestors before they peter out or find themselves evicted from the private park they are currently "occupying". As of yet, I haven't been sent down there.


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