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lksteve 02-11-2011 19:06

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Originally Posted by bandycpa (Post 375630)
Do you QPs think that it is appropriate for civilians to adopt creeds like the SF Creed or the Ranger Creed and apply them to their own personal lives?

Having a professional or occupational creed is fairly common...as far as adapting the SF or Ranger Creed, I think once you distill the principles, with a minor exception or two, you have a decent set of rules...I'd like to see your adaptation...


Surveyor's Creed and Canons

As a Professional Surveyor, I dedicate my professional knowledge and skills to the advancement and betterment of human welfare.

I pledge:

To give the utmost of performance;

To participate in none but honest enterprise;

To live and work according to the laws of humankind and the highest standards of professional conduct;

To place service before profit, honor and standing of the profession before personal advantage, and the public welfare above all other considerations;

In humility and with need for Divine Guidance, I make this pledge.

Canon 1.

A Professional Surveyor should refrain from conduct that is detrimental to the public.

Canon 2.

A Professional Surveyor should abide by the rules and regulations pertaining to the practice of surveying within the licensing jurisdiction.

Canon 3.

A Professional Surveyor should accept assignments only in one's area of professional competence and expertise.

Canon 4.

A Professional Surveyor should develop and communicate a professional analysis and opinion without bias or personal interest.

Canon 5.

A Professional Surveyor should maintain the confidential nature of the surveyor-client relationship.

Canon 6.

A Professional Surveyor should use care to avoid advertising or solicitation that is misleading or otherwise contrary to the public interest.

Canon 7.

A Professional Surveyor should maintain professional integrity when dealing with members of other professions.


It doesn't mention working outside in -15°F when the office staff is having cookies, though...or dealing with nosy occupants...

bandycpa 02-11-2011 20:16

lksteve

The three big ones that I use with my kids on my sports teams are:
1) Do your best
2) Take care of each other
3) Have fun

As I thought more and more about these rules over the years, I’ve found that these three apply to pretty much anything in life.

The question about the different military creeds came from my fascination with the Ranger Creed. In 6 simple yet profound stanzas, I felt that a person could encapsulate the values of professionalism in whatever endeavor they did. From taking responsibility for one’s actions, to taking on a higher standard (and having that expectation placed upon one from others), to not failing one’s comrades, I thought that this summarized the approach I wanted to take with life. However, I am not, nor ever will be a Ranger. That was the impetus for my question.

As TR pointed out, it isn’t necessary to make it known that these standards, adjusted for my own personal set of circumstances, are the ones I personally aspire to. I don’t teach my kids the Creed word for word, but they hear its principles from me when I teach them about the right way to do things in life.

craigepo 02-11-2011 21:16

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Originally Posted by bandycpa (Post 375819)


The question about the different military creeds came from my fascination with the Ranger Creed. In 6 simple yet profound stanzas,

I really enjoyed the fact that the 1st letter of each paragraph began with the letters RANGER. This allowed young rangers like me to easily memorize the creed, which in turn allowed me to get some minor plus spot reports at R.I. changeover each morning in Ranger school. Sleepy ranger students like myself always needed help in this regard. Hell, I can still recite that creed, even when sleepy or hungry.

Many denominations within the Christian Church have, for centuries, repeated creeds such as the Apostle's Creed, the Nicean Creed, and others. The ideas underlying the creeds, and often the creeds themselves, were memorized by the congregation after hearing the recitation dozens of times. Pretty effective way of teaching doctrine at a time with limited technology.

bandycpa 02-11-2011 21:55

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Originally Posted by craigepo (Post 375835)
I really enjoyed the fact that the 1st letter of each paragraph began with the letters RANGER. This allowed young rangers like me to easily memorize the creed, which in turn allowed me to get some minor plus spot reports at R.I. changeover each morning in Ranger school. Sleepy ranger students like myself always needed help in this regard. Hell, I can still recite that creed, even when sleepy or hungry.

Many denominations within the Christian Church have, for centuries, repeated creeds such as the Apostle's Creed, the Nicean Creed, and others. The ideas underlying the creeds, and often the creeds themselves, were memorized by the congregation after hearing the recitation dozens of times. Pretty effective way of teaching doctrine at a time with limited technology.

Growing up in a "metho-costal" church, I didn't know that the Apostle's Creed or Nicene Creed existed (It was a small, country church...the first time I heard the term "narthex" I had no idea what that was either). When I moved to another area after starting my accounting practice, I started going to a Methodist church. We said the Apostle's Creed every Sunday. I didn't study it, but it wasn't long until I could say it word-for-word. First I memorized it, and then I pondered on it. As you said craigepo, creeds are a simple, effective way to teach doctrine. Memorization followed by reflection results in indoctrination (not saying that's a bad thing).

Utah Bob 02-14-2011 13:00

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Originally Posted by Dusty (Post 375674)
Yeah, that's the Brokeback Mountain Cowboy Code

THEY WERE SHEEPHERDERS, NOT COWBOYS!:p

Sigaba 02-14-2011 13:41

Partly cloudy with a chance of snark.
 
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"Cowboy Ethics" was written by James Owen, an investment professional who after Enron and the other Wall Street scandals of a few years ago, decided it was time to take a good look at what we had become as a society and individuals. Like me he has a great deal of respect and admiration for the iconic American cowboy and the cowboy way of life.

He came up with his "Code of the West" which states some simple common sense principles that not just cowboys but all of us should try to live by.

The code includes admonitions such as "Live each day with courage," "Be tough, but fair," "Ride for the brand," and "Know where to draw the line."
How much did Mr. Owen make on these and other 'scandals' before deciding to ride on the high road? How much is Mr. Owen making now off from the Center for Cowboy Ethics and Leadership <<LINK>>?

In reference to posts #3 and#31, a question. Do we as civilians help or hinder civil-military relations when we appropriate aspects of the warrior ethos to use in our everyday lives?
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By the way hookers are now called "escorts" and they have become a part of mainstream popular culture thanks to Spitzer and actor Charlie Sheen.
Charlie Sheen wishes he had that kind of influence...with his pharmacist.

(Mr. Dorinson has apparently never heard of Holly Golightly. Or The Village Voice. Or Craigslist.)

1stindoor 02-14-2011 14:32

I hate to split hairs on this one but there is definitely a caste system to the "women of ill repute."

Your "street walker" or "prostitute" is probably at the very bottom of said system. Escorts are usually of a higher social order and as such charge higher rates. You're not going to find them working the streets, hanging around truck stops, or sitting around in hotel lobbies. They also tend to dress nicer, in order to appear more than what they are.

The type that blew it for Spitzer...no pun intended...are paid a lot to keep their mouth shut...again no pun intended...and stay out of the limelight.

Dusty 02-14-2011 17:29

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Originally Posted by Utah Bob (Post 376277)
THEY WERE SHEEPHERDERS, NOT COWBOYS!:p

My bad. Never saw the movie.


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