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CDG 11-16-2010 11:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quixote (Post 357122)
I just got back from the gym, testing out my major lifts. I was a little shocked, and not in a good way. Up until now I've been out of balance, with my lower body significantly stronger than my upper body. No longer, it seems. I didn't do 1rm, but did a few warmup sets then went for a 5RM and plugged the numbers into a calculator. Here's what it said.

Back Squat - 210 1RM
Bench Press - 210 1RM
Dead lift - 315 1RM
Power Clean - 165 1RM

This is at a bodyweight of 205. It's a little disturbing. It might be that I'm out of practice with the Back Squat (my Front Squat's currently equal to it).

As far as conditioning, I've got a fair base of metcon now. Last serious metcon WOD we did was Kelly, which I finished in a bit under 25 minutes, if I'm remembering right.

I've got 4 1/2 months before I ship out to basic. Here are the fitness benchmarks I would like to be at before I go, if you guys could let me know if this is feasible or if I should specialize into a different area, I would really appreciate it.

1.3x BP
1.5x BS
2x DL
10 mile run (currently at 4 miles)
<13:00 2 mile run (currently at just under 15:00)
80+ Pushups in 2 minutes (currently at ~60)
80+ Situps in 2 minutes (currently at ~70)
16 mile ruck w/55lb in under 3h40m (currently at 5 miles in 64:30 w/45lb)

It seems like I can't fit everything into a week, and it makes me really worry about compromising progress by not giving my body time to recover. Especially since I'm currently still in a calorie deficit (at ~17% bodyfat, trying to get under 14% to help with run times and bodyweight movements).

Thanks again everybody for taking the time to help with your advice.

You are going to have to figure out what you really want to improve and go from there. It will be way too much volume for you to try and significantly increase your strength while also trying to hit run/ruck goals. Don't try to do both or you will just end up frustrated and likely overtrained/injured. Being stronger will benefit everything else you want to do, so I would focus on that. Start following the CrossFit Football Amateur level strength programming, along with their met-cons. It's a fantastic program and I saw huge gains in my strength from it. Once you have surpassed your strength goals by 20-30#, stop and start focusing on your running/rucking more. Your lifts will lose some poundage, which is the reason for exceeding your current goals by a bit. But you will still settle in at a much higher strength level than you are at now.

bk4242 11-16-2010 11:59

Although I visit this site to do more reading rather than writing, I can add something that has worked for me in the past to get through weight lifting plateus in between fb seasons. When I got stuck at something like 350 benchpress or 405 squat, I would switch to a pyramid rep program. Usually I would do something like 10,8,5,3,3,2,5,10. This allowed me to gain strength on my 1rm's and keep a bit of muscle endurance. It also allowed the body to warm up some more before loading up the bar. But like everything else, what may work for one person may not work for another.

BK

KiloNovember 11-16-2010 15:08

I've been fiddling with Crossfit for awhile, and got serious about it over the summer. I am in much better shape now because of it, but following the programming on the mainsite doesn't provide enough running or, in my opinion, strength in areas like chest or shoulders. I've had to supplement, and throw in a lot of the bodyweight metcons along with strength programming and running.

That being said, I just came across www.sealfit.com, which seems to incorporate crossfit-type metcons with programmed strength, more running and endurance work. Anyone else have any experience with it? I just ran the workout for today this morning, and it was a kick in the teeth (in a good way, of course).

conrad30 05-02-2011 11:33

Personal Experience
 
I have been doing crossfit for about 4 months now and my experience has been phenominal. The gym that I attend is run by a USMC Scout/ Sniper who picked up a lot of his training ingenuity while trying to stay in shape in Fallujah.
When I started out I was definitely overweight and have dropped about 25 pounds over the course of 4 months without major diet alterations AND my stength, stamina and explosiveness have gone through the roof. Since the workouts are designed to be short and intense, we do not do a lot of running >1000 meter intervals but are encouraged to run on our own time in what are called the "Endurance WODs." I am a former D1 football player so I had a decent strength background to begin with. Several years of focussing more on strength than conditioning (because it comes easier to me) left me strong but in poor condition.
The best aspect of crossfit (other than the conditioning) is that you are forced to learn exercises that are extremely difficult like overhead squats, snatches, cleans, handstand pushups etc that have great carryover to practical force application and your body's ability to do work.

Clay 05-08-2011 18:10

What would be better in combat? Fitness or power?
 
I've been looking into xfit for about 2 weeks now, and my only question is that, in a combat and/or military setting, are you more likely to use the overall fitness of xfit and workouts of its nature, or would being a major league lifter be more useful. I know for me, at 6'2" 168ish combined with what would be genetics I guess, (all males in my family are tall and rail thin), I have a better chance of using xfit and maximizing my fitness than being "optimus prime" and benching 538 lbs. There's nothing wrong with that, but I just don't see it for my body type.

hotshot 05-08-2011 18:47

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Originally Posted by Clay (Post 391395)
I've been looking into xfit for about 2 weeks now, and my only question is that, in a combat and/or military setting, are you more likely to use the overall fitness of xfit and workouts of its nature, or would being a major league lifter be more useful. I know for me, at 6'2" 168ish combined with what would be genetics I guess, (all males in my family are tall and rail thin), I have a better chance of using xfit and maximizing my fitness than being "optimus prime" and benching 538 lbs. There's nothing wrong with that, but I just don't see it for my body type.

What do you think? How will being able to bench press 538lbs help you carry 100+lbs of equipment through the mountains of Afghanistan? What makes you think that you can't become powerful doing crossfit? You need to learn how to apply the common sense test.

Read more. When your eyes get tired, go do the WOD, and come back and read.

CH

Calvengeance 05-10-2011 21:14

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Originally Posted by KiloNovember (Post 357253)
I've been fiddling with Crossfit for awhile, and got serious about it over the summer. I am in much better shape now because of it, but following the programming on the mainsite doesn't provide enough running or, in my opinion, strength in areas like chest or shoulders. I've had to supplement, and throw in a lot of the bodyweight metcons along with strength programming and running.

That being said, I just came across www.sealfit.com, which seems to incorporate crossfit-type metcons with programmed strength, more running and endurance work. Anyone else have any experience with it? I just ran the workout for today this morning, and it was a kick in the teeth (in a good way, of course).

KiloNovember, any more thoughts on SealFit? I've just started to do it. How has it affected you?

Thanks.

Triāngulo 05-14-2011 14:49

There's also Crossfit Strength Bias, if you're looking to improve your overall strength, especially with the "slow lifts".... Basically heavy lifts (squat/press,dead/front squat), then followed by a metcon using that same lift but at a lighter weight for higher reps.

The "time" scheme is 2 days on, 1 off, 3 on, 1 off. Day 3 is supposed to be a "Long Metcon" I usually hit a long run, row, or ruck.

The article on it provides a simple template for you and "build" your own metcons throughout.... If anyones interested I can post or email the article to them

Blitzzz (RIP) 05-18-2011 15:56

Increase Strength and endurance at the same time
 
Just passing this along. Read up on the "Blitz Only Thread".

KiloNovember 05-20-2011 14:05

SEALFit
 
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Originally Posted by Calvengeance (Post 391930)
KiloNovember, any more thoughts on SealFit? I've just started to do it. How has it affected you?

In general:
Most fun I've ever had with workouts. If I wasn't 18x, I would still be utilizing SEALFit as my main workout program. It's wonderful having suckfests programmed for you by someone with experience. I also like the SEALFit community better than the CrossFit (CF) community. Compared to CF, I believe SEALFit is definitely a step up in terms of mental and physical conditioning. After adapting to CF, SEALFit was the next logical step for me in improving general physical preparedness (GPP).

In regards to SFAS:
I do not believe religiously following the main programming alone will prepare someone for selection. Based on the knowledge available on this forum, SEALFit main programming does not include enough rucking (posted 1 or 2 times per month), running or calisthenics to be a good selection preparation program. And, to be honest, the candidate WODs likewise do not include enough rucking for a ruck-based selection like SFAS.


To conclude, I feel that SEALFit is outstanding (better than CF) for both GPP and mental conditioning, which can help those aspects of training involved in selection prep programs, but doesn't focus on the specifics that the QPs (and the Army, for that matter) have declared necessary for selection preparation. If GPP is what you want, I would recommend SEALFit over CF.


DISCLAIMER: I've made some assumptions here concerning SFAS, which I've yet to attend. I believe the assumptions to be reasonable based upon the knowledge provided on this forum by those who have attended the course. Please correct me if I am incorrect or stepping too far outside of my lane.

Calvengeance 05-24-2011 22:58

I appreciate your help, KiloNovember.

I think I'm going to look at SealFit mixed with rucking and some time on my road bike this summer.


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