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Last hard class

04-02-2010 02:36

confirmed rumors

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 323436)

Actually - COL Guest wanted the RVN era colors out of the 5th SFGA flash.

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On 7 Dec 84 COL James Guest, 5th SFG CDR, submitted a request to the Director, Institute of Heraldry, requesting that the official flash of the 5th SFG be changed back to the solid black with white border because:

The colors of a foreign flag should not be incorporated in a US Army beret flash
The RVN and the original purpose for having the RVN colors in the flash no longer existed
The 5th SFG was no longer oriented towards SEA
The mission and organization of the 5th SFGA had been significantly transformed to meet modern requirements and the change of beret flash would depict that metamorphosis

The request was approved by the Institute of Heraldry on 16 Jan 85.

It is interesting that you would have this information available. A barracks rat that was the COL'S driver/bitchboy had presciently blabbed such nefarious behavior would occur. Claimed to have been within earshot during certain conversations. Group HQ opsec for you.

Poster on the wall:

Top: Think OPSEC

Bottom: Who talked?

Hand written below: Who didn't?

Caused a lot of rumors with negative chatter about our fearless leader. As an enlisted man, I was just happy to know someone up top was keeping their eyes on the important things.:rolleyes:

Richard

04-02-2010 06:02

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Here's a good one for trivia's sake - the JCRC flash - never authorized - I've got a flash but never saw one of the wing background ovals.

The black is for the nature of the mission and the orange reflective of the VS-17 panel pieces worn on the uniforms (jungle fatigues - upper front pockets and across the back of the shoulders) by the field teams.

Those of us TDY to JCRC wore the USASFT (46th Co) flash.

Here's an interesting web-site to browse:

http://www.military-insignia.us/Page...Insignia.html#

Richard

Last hard class

04-02-2010 06:19

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 323529)

Here's a good one for trivia's sake - the JCRC flash - never authorized - I've got a flash but never saw one of the wing background ovals.

How exactly does an unauthorized flash come to life?

glebo

04-02-2010 06:28

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Originally Posted by wet dog (Post 323514)

In winning bar trivia bets, I've found it useful to quote those of authority like, The Reaper, Ambush Master and finally Richard.

- sorry fellas, I couldn't resist.

WD

hey...as long as my answer sounds better than the other guys answer...with info from other folks..(correct or not) works for me:lifter

as long as I get a beer out of it...it's all good:p

Richard

04-02-2010 06:29

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How exactly does an unauthorized flash come to life?

The command comes up with a proposal to be submitted for approval - while awaiting 'official' approval, either unit $$ purchase and issue or individual purchase of the proposed flash is done and the unit begins wearing it until told to stop or authorized and it continues.

Richard

Dozer523

04-02-2010 06:39

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 323534)

while awaiting 'official' approval, . . . is done and the unit begins . . . until told to stop or authorized and it continues. Richard

Like so many things my kids do. :D Explains why the corgy looked like a poodle and was sorta green two weeks ago. Poor dog thinks her name is WTF!!?!

Green Light

04-02-2010 08:58

Does anyone have the FANK Training Command flash? I had a copy (it was close but wrong). I'd like to see what a real one looked like.

Richard

04-02-2010 09:13

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Does anyone have the FANK Training Command flash?

Go to the link in post #32 - you'll find it. ;)

Richard

Bennett

04-02-2010 09:14

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Originally Posted by Stras (Post 323440)

I was referring to the similarity in the timeframe of the two actions (Branch and Flash Change) and whether or not becoming a branch caused the standardization of the flashes change. This was prior to my coming on the scene, and I've yet to find a good reference on the matter.

Did you guys get any more Reutberg out there yet? I'm cracking open the last of my Resupply Bundle stash.

ARSOFE wore the Green flash with the German Colors until they were Deactivated and reactivated as 7th Special Operations Support Command (SOSC) Theater Army (TA). 7th SOSC(TA) then switched to an almost teal blue flash with what I called "rainbow stripes". I believe this was right before the move from Bad Tölz to Stuttgart in late 1991/1992.

Stras, no joy with the Reutberg yet. All, as soon as I can get the document scanned I'll post it. It's a brochure from the “The Regiment First Formation". Tells the history of all flashes and why the colors are what they are.

LitleBird

04-02-2010 11:12

Any reason why each color was selected for that particular Group ?

Reread post #6 of this thread.

Richard

Green Light

04-19-2010 09:46

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 323563)

Go to the link in post #32 - you'll find it. ;)

Richard

Thx! Had to dig a bit, but it's worth it!.

Aoresteen

05-12-2010 12:50

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Originally Posted by lksteve (Post 323400)

Actually, I was in Toelz when 1/10 reverted to the 10th Group flash...it occurred 30 September 1983...I...

I thought it was Sep 1984. I left June '84 and was still wearing the Det Eur flash as I recall....

lksteve

05-12-2010 12:52

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Originally Posted by Aoresteen (Post 330334)

I thought it was Sep 1984. I left June '84 and was still wearing the Det Eur flash as I recall....

Nope...when we came back from Greece in September or October of 1983, MAJ Calvert and LTC Barber were on the drop zone making uniform corrections...September of 1984, I was training LTs in IOBC...

Aoresteen

05-16-2010 12:19

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Originally Posted by lksteve (Post 330335)

Nope...when we came back from Greece in September or October of 1983, MAJ Calvert and LTC Barber were on the drop zone making uniform corrections...September of 1984, I was training LTs in IOBC...

Man, getting old sucks. Memories fade so fast. :D I stand corected, thanks!

BTW, I had dinner with both Herr Calvert & Herr Barber in '07 at Ft Bragg. Both are doing well.

greenberetTFS

05-16-2010 13:04

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Originally Posted by wet dog (Post 323514)

In winning bar trivia bets, I've found it useful to quote those of authority like, The Reaper, Ambush Master and finally Richard.

- sorry fellas, I couldn't resist.

WD

3 excellent candidates,however the winner is Richard!!!! I've yet to see his info challenged except when he loves to play his devils advocate role......:rolleyes::eek::p

Big Teddy :munchin

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