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Originally Posted by PSM (Post 268465)

What am I missing here? I've been retired as a dispatcher a few years, so I guess now it's OK to fly into a Cb now?

The Captain killed himself and 227 others! He could have, perhaps, skirted West a bit to bypass the wall. He didn't. He could have diverted. He didn't.

Even if the A/C can handle it, the passengers can't. I was jump-seating on a B727 flight into KPDX when we flew through a small thunderstorm with moderate to severe turbulence. In a three minute period we got hit by lightning twice. The look on the 1st Class Pax faces when we opened the cockpit door after landing was shocking.

Pat

Thunderstorms are not as bad on the inside as they appear from the outside.......

They are worse on the inside"

RF 1

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 268807)

IIRC, it was an Airbus which crashed upon takeoff from NYC because its tail came off due to turbulence from following too closely behind another departing aircraft.

I don't think so - the news reports about this current tragedy kept mentioning that this was the first fatal airbus crash since its test flights (one of which went down also).

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Originally Posted by RichL025 (Post 268836)

I don't think so - the news reports about this current tragedy kept mentioning that this was the first fatal airbus crash since its test flights (one of which went down also).

Richard is correct. The Far Rockaway, NY crash was an A300-600.

Pat

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Originally Posted by PSM (Post 268837)

Richard is correct. The Far Rockaway, NY crash was an A300-600.

Pat

OK, thanks, I guess I misunderstood - maybe this was the first crash of this airbus model or something. Thanks for the correction.

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Originally Posted by RichL025 (Post 268864)

OK, thanks, I guess I misunderstood - maybe this was the first crash of this airbus model or something. Thanks for the correction.

Rich,

You probably heard correctly. The press is notoriously ignorant about aviation and aeronautics. They continue to refer to a "stall" as the engines quitting. :rolleyes:

Pat

Info on aircraft automated messages: LINK

Engineer decodes Air France Flight 447 emergency messages
I just finished listening to a podcast where an avionics engineer goes over the final messages sent by the Air France Flight 447 plane before it crashed.

The error messages sent by the plane show that multiple computer failures happened simultaneously, starting at 02:10 GMT, when a series of 14 warnings and failures emerged at once.

Addison Schonland, president of Innovation Analysis Group, and Michael Ciasullo, IAG's managing director of consulting services, led the podcast discussion. The engineer, who went only by Darryl, and his interviewers were careful not speculate.

Darryl is introduced as an engineer familiar with the the Honeywell ACARS system. His full name is not given because of the sensitivity over the crash, Schonland said. He does not work for Air France or Airbus.

He explains each ACARS message line by line. The ACARS is the aircraft's communications addressing and reporting system, which sends short pieces of data to other aircraft and satellites. When investigators talk of the "automatic messages" that give clues as to why the plane crashed, they are referring to the ACARS messages.

(You can see the ACARS for Flight 447 here. PDF.)

The cryptic lines contain chilling meaning.

First, the auto pilot system disengaged. Then came a basic auto flight message warning. Next, something within the flight control computer failed. Then, warning flags appeared on the personal flight displays of the captain and co-pilot. Then the rudder exceeds the limits of normal flight. And on it goes.

"With all of these failures, they don't have the information that they need to fly the aircraft in a safe environment," Darryl says. "If the pilot or first officer don't have any display functioning, then they're flying blind in the night. ... You're trying to fly the aircraft with no technology."

The last message received is a cryptic "213100206ADVISORY" warning at 02:14 GMT. It indicates loss of cabin pressure.

"There's so much going on, the pilots don't know what to do other than take a hold of the stick and fly the aircraft, because the airplane is not flying itself," Darryl said. "If this was happening in a clear day in the middle of the day, you'd still be in serious trouble, but at least you'd know if you were climbing or descending."

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Originally Posted by nmap (Post 268868)

Info on aircraft automated messages: LINK

"There's so much going on, the pilots don't know what to do other than take a hold of the stick and fly the aircraft, because the airplane is not flying itself,"

I'll speculate. That's what happens when you fly an aircraft into an aircraft shredder! Whoever was in charge in the cockpit, and, given the flight length and crew count there were two cockpit crews on board, killed everyone on board.

As a dispatcher, I probably could not have legally released that flight, depending on forecasts, convective outlooks, and PIREPS. The Europeans do not have licensed dispatchers so the decision rests with the captain. I'm not sure if a relief captain can overrule an originating captain. I would guess that he could.

Pat

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Originally Posted by PSM (Post 268865)

Rich,

You probably heard correctly. The press is notoriously ignorant about aviation and aeronautics. They continue to refer to a "stall" as the engines quitting. :rolleyes:

Pat

Probably confusing it with a compressor stall.

TR

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Originally Posted by PSM (Post 268865)

Rich,

........ The press is notoriously ignorant about aviation and aeronautics. ......

Pat

And so many, many other things.;)

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 268895)

Probably confusing it with a compressor stall.

TR

You are being very generous! ;)

Pat

Interesting? Perhaps!

LINK

Excerpt: Full article at the link above

Two passengers with names linked to Islamic terrorism were on the Air France flight which crashed with the loss of 228 lives, it has emerged.

French secret servicemen established the connection while working through the list of those who boarded the doomed Airbus in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on May 31.

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Two passengers with names linked to Islamic terrorism were on the Air France flight which crashed with the loss of 228 lives, it has emerged.

The French magazine L'Express reported that French intelligence services had matched the names of two passengers on Flight 447 with those of suspects linked to Islamic terrorism. It added that it might only be a case of people with similar names. The names themselves were not reported.

A senior French internal security official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the nature of her job, told The Associated Press that French security "didn't find any suspicious names" on the passenger list. "That doesn't mean there aren't on a suspect list, but it's not ours," she said.

Other police and intelligence agencies said they also had no information about terrorist connections to Flight 447.

Brazil's federal police have examined airport video of passengers, but only to help identify bodies and not because of any suspicions of terrorism, a spokeswoman said. She insisted on anonymity because she was not authorized to discuss the matter.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...hooModule_News

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 269192)

....She insisted on anonymity because she was not authorized to discuss the matter.....

I hate that.

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"That doesn't mean there aren't on a suspect list, but it's not ours," she said.

Interesting translation.

Pat

Lady killed in car wreck that missed flight

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525835,00.html

A lady who missed the Air France flight was killed in a car accident, her husband is seriously injured.

Kinda reminds ya of that movie when those klids missed their flight and the "reaper" was out to get them....eeek:eek: