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badshot 04-16-2013 14:03

Holy Crap
 
Got a call from the Under Sheriff today regarding previously posted incident to verify permit information. BTY: happen to respect him

In any event it's a new procedure due to nuts whom should be committed. He said he'd call the school so the bus doesn't speed by when I'm at the bus stop waiting for my son...

Team Sergeant 04-16-2013 14:14

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Originally Posted by badshot (Post 501663)
Got a call from the Under Sheriff today regarding previously posted incident to verify permit information. BTY: happen to respect him

In any event it's a new procedure due to nuts whom should be committed. He said he'd call the school so the bus doesn't speed by when I'm at the bus stop waiting for my son...

Fear motivates sheeple. We're going to see a lot of this sort of fear and knee-jerk reaction for the next year or so. Fear also moves agendas, as a former advisor to the Teleprompter Reader once said, "Never waste a crisis". Between New Town and Boston were going to see a lot of polictics being played (at teh cost of Freedom).

Lan 04-16-2013 18:09

Bills being voted on right now in Sacramento

Live Stream

Dozer523 04-16-2013 18:18

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 501665)
. . . as a former advisor to the Teleprompter Reader once said, "Never waste a crisis". Between New Town and Boston were going to see a lot of polictics being played (at teh cost of Freedom).

The entire quote is, "You never let a serious crisis go to waste.And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." i guess that could sound ominous if one is convinced any change will come at their personal expense (I'm not sure the American tradition of compromise, free enterprise and separation of powers allows that to play out.)

Here's another great quote but from the President himself, ""You know, I was campaigning in Chicago and somebody asked me, is there ever any time where the budget might have to go into deficit? I said only if we were at war or had a national emergency or were in recession. Little did I realize we'd get the trifecta." —President George W. Bush, Charlotte, North Carolina, Feb. 27, 2002

Sometimes folks say stuff they wish people got the way they meant it, not the way they wanted to hear it.

badshot 04-16-2013 18:24

TS,

Didn't even need a permit where I was according to MT law, I was cooperative anyway.

When he asked how I was doing 'thrilled and over joyed' was the answer :rolleyes:

PS..Fear, those that let it consume their common sense would be better served by doing nothing...see quote below...ain't living' if you ask me

Dozer523 04-16-2013 18:28

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Originally Posted by pcfixer (Post 501591)
.. . .Would-be pistol owners now will have to not only take an eight hour classroom training course, but actually hit the range to be certified and licensed. And since Maryland has relatively few shooting ranges, the likelihood of this process moving along in anything like an efficient and effective manner is nil.

Please explain to me how one is a member of a well-regulated militia without training on his/her weapon?
Apparently you have no faith in the free market system, a scarcity of available ranges will drive up the cost of range time leading to entrepreneur building more (and better) ranges thereby eliminating the scarcity which will in turn drive down the cost of range time.

Dozer523 04-16-2013 18:36

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Originally Posted by Dusty (Post 500987)
. . . .. They go by FM 13666, Salinsky's Rules..

Do you mean Sal Alinsky? www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm
It's an interesting read in a wacky way but here it is, peruse and draw your own conclusion. Interesting.

I'm not sure I'm tracking the 13666 reference, weak googl-fu, perhaps.

Peregrino 04-16-2013 18:38

Oh - you mean like "Carpe Diem"? As in "we don't need the usual long term strategy of a death of a thousand cuts, we'll just steer the stampeeding sheeple over the cliff they wouldn't normally go near". All of the quote, part of the quote; I don't have any problem understanding RE's espousal of Progressive Doctrine. I'm just surprised he said it where hostile witnesses might repeat it to the relative few who understand the evils of progressivism.

The Reaper 04-16-2013 19:16

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Originally Posted by Dozer523 (Post 501754)
Do you mean Sal Alinsky?

No, I think he means Saul Alinsky.

TR

Dusty 04-16-2013 19:42

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Originally Posted by Dozer523 (Post 501754)
Do you mean Sal Alinsky? www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm
It's an interesting read in a wacky way but here it is, peruse and draw your own conclusion. Interesting.

I'm not sure I'm tracking the 13666 reference, weak googl-fu, perhaps.

Good catch, Dozer! I fixed it.

I was talking about Saul Alinsky, the radical community dis-organizer who wrote the "manual" for other agitators like Obama and Hillary Clinton, and dedicated it to the "greatest radical of all time, Satan." Hence the 13666 reference. But, good catch, anyway!

Paragrouper 04-16-2013 20:31

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Originally Posted by Dozer523 (Post 501751)
Please explain to me how one is a member of a well-regulated militia without training on his/her weapon?
Apparently you have no faith in the free market system, a scarcity of available ranges will drive up the cost of range time leading to entrepreneur building more (and better) ranges thereby eliminating the scarcity which will in turn drive down the cost of range time.

Where is this free market system? Certainly not in Maryland. There are limited ranges because it is difficult to start a range, given to cost, zoning restrictions and local regulations. These conditions will continue to hinder additional ranges opening. If not, I'm sure the Maryland Legislature will be happy to address that situation.

The law places onerous requirements and additional cost on the general population, which will limit the ability of many, particularly the poor, to have legal access to firearms and enjoy the whole firearms ownership experience. I'm sure that is the point of the law. It also provides a mechanism to gather data on those who possess firearms--just in case.

I guess the poor can just buy theirs on the black market, which I certain will expand in certain states like MD, NY, CT, etc... (gotta love that free market)

Paslode 04-16-2013 20:34

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Originally Posted by Dozer523 (Post 501751)
Please explain to me how one is a member of a well-regulated militia without training on his/her weapon?
Apparently you have no faith in the free market system, a scarcity of available ranges will drive up the cost of range time leading to entrepreneur building more (and better) ranges thereby eliminating the scarcity which will in turn drive down the cost of range time.

In your scenario I would put my money on the EPA trumping the free market system.

The Reaper 04-16-2013 20:56

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Originally Posted by Paslode (Post 501796)
In your scenario I would put my money on the EPA trumping the free market system.

Exactly.

Very few new ranges are being built today, but a lot are being closed.

TR

Badger52 04-17-2013 03:50

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Originally Posted by Paragrouper (Post 501793)
The law places onerous requirements and additional cost on the general population, which will limit the ability of many, particularly the poor, to have legal access to firearms and enjoy the whole firearms ownership experience. I'm sure that is the point of the law. It also provides a mechanism to gather data on those who possess firearms--just in case.

I guess the poor can just buy theirs on the black market, which I certain will expand in certain states like MD, NY, CT, etc... (gotta love that free market)

That's in the X-ring. This has been tried before back before the emergence of the semi-auto with laws targeting the evil "Saturday Night Special." Then it was about small carryable revolvers. Result was the same; low-income folks who need to defend themselves the most, often because of where they live, are denied that. So they go elsewhere. Result is exactly counter to the rhetoric of the desired goal. It's BS, plain and simple and in many areas downright racist in its effect, harming a class they purport to regard as their base. Utter horsehockey.

Go Devil 04-17-2013 06:27

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 501800)
Exactly.

Very few new ranges are being built today, but a lot are being closed.

TR

Good point.
Early risers get range time here. Any arrival past 9 am on a weekend and you'll have to wait up to an hour for a position.
I believe ranges will be a good trolling spot collectivist minions as gun control takes hold.
Fortunately, in Indiana, county property is currently not restrictive on firearms/fireworks.
We built the following on my brothers property just outside of city limits.
We have smaller models for rimfire in the barn.

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