Nice! Beat me to it; a friend retired from a nearby department sends me this companion link to the PDF if someone wants the actual electrons of the survey:

Link at this page to the PDF

Most illuminating.

Long way to go in the information war.
:(

Video was made to demonstrate the level of gun ignorance.
Sheep to the slaughter.

http://youtu.be/2diNojgJF9c

I found the last question to be telling to the major problem and the thread on moral relativism...

This country is quickly walking away from family and Christian values and these shootings are just one symptom. People are believing that Feedom = hedonism. There is no freedom without strong morals, just anarchy, which leads to slavery.

on the news was a spot about a mega- church leader who has found it in his heart to forgive the guy who sold his son an unregistered gun over the Internet.
His son used it to commit suicide.
I don't care it was unregistered, I'm not in favor of registration. But a transfer conducted by a licensed dealer including a background check might have revealed the ministers son to be a bit unbalanced. And the transfer could have been delayed. Maybe that the son was buying a gun would have come as a red flag to someone. I don't know. just wondering, bring it. Sigh.

I guess the ministers son does not know how to use a rope, car exhaust, fall from a bridge, bath tub hot water and razor blades. Criminals and crazies do not follow laws. They find tools. The ministers son found a tool that a guy was willing to sell. He could have just as soon sold him a length of rope.

The minister's son could have also driven himself to a really bad section of town and purchased a gun even if there were more stringent standards of background checks.



***callousness alert***

I feel bad that the kid (and kids in general) couldn't look past his nose or have someone to help him along but I have little sympathy for him. I'm just glad he didn't take anyone else with him.

Perhaps we should praise suicideds that only harm the person doing it. Shame people for mass killings. A little PsyOp experiment.

Sorry charlie, Matthew engaged in criminal activity and purchased a gun from a criminal and killed himself. How do I know that?

And just so you can understand "Only criminals sell guns with serial numbers scratched off." Got that?

There's not a gun law in on the books that will stop "CRIMINALs"...... screw that let's punish the law abiding citizens for someone elses criminal behavior. Liberal left wing socialist logic to me.

“We can’t tell if it’s registered or not because the serial number is scratched off,” Amormino said. “At one point in time, it may have been, but it’s going to be impossible to find out.”

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...tered-gun?lite

He would have just used a rope.

Check your Senators
 

Recalling the attempted distraction & disssembling of turncoat politicians, with rhetoric such as "no, this isn't going to keep 2 hunting buddies from selling each other a gun" - "this is just to close the gun-show loophole and get a handle on internet sales" etc., ad nauseum.

Here's the relevant section of S.649, the much-ballyhoo'd "moderate" "bi-partisan" compromise:

Maybe I missed it. Anyone see up there an exception for 2 free people who are not prohibited persons engaging in a 1 to 1 act of sale of property?
PDF of the full text of this POS is here.

MR2: Guillotine's not on the NFA list yet, you may have something there.

A belated conviction
 

Often we don't hear about the defensive gun uses because they get buried in the court system and don't meet the MSM's dicta of "if it bleeds it leads." Here's one the Journal-Sentinel followed up on:

LINK to full story here.

I have a few questions:

1) What was the age of the son? To legally buy a rifle or shotgun, one must be 18; to buy a handgun one must be 21. So if it was a legal sale, the "kid" was in fact a legal adult (at least 18 if the gun he bought was a rifle, older if it was a pistol).

2) Was the seller a resident of the same state as the son? Did the sale take place face-to-face? Unless the sale was a face-to-face private sale between residents of the same state, then a background check would be required for the sale to be legal.

3) Had the son at any time been found legally disqualified to own a gun by a mental health professional? Unless this was true, his name would not trigger any alerts during a federal background check that would delay or prevent the sale.

While I am not exactly sure how you send a gun to someone "over the internet," no one in their right mind, will ship a gun to anyone other than a licensed FFL.

It is highly illegal, and I have heard that the package companies screen for that sort of contraband.

It would have been difficult to even offer a weapon for sale on the internet, since most websites like ebay and craigslist have banned firearms sales, even through licensed dealers.

If they met on the internet, the fact that he had a gun for sale was communicated, and the seller agreed to transfer it to him face to face, he was again breaking the law by not requiring proof of age before transferring the firearm.

Defacing a serial number is a serious Federal crime. Another violation.

Why could the son not have been equally successful by going to a dealer, and buying a weapon, with the background check, which he could have likely passed, before killing himself with it?

Or, as noted, used a rope, knife, car, tall building, bathtub, etc.?

I guess I must have missed something in 15-6 class, because I do not see the weapon as the proximate cause of the death. The person who pulled the trigger is.

TR

In a mailbox near you
 

If you are a Dillon customer, stop ogling Deandra on the cover of the latest Blue Press and turn to Page 20.
:lifter

http://www.assistNews.net/stories/2013/s13040069.htm

TR and Razor,
Here is an article on the incident, most of the questions raised are addressed, except obviously, why didn't he use another method. I'm not being a smart ass here when I say because with a gun he probably thought he had the most effective way to accomplish his task -- quick, painless, . . .
This is a tragedy. If not preventable, it shouldn't be as easy as it was.
But because its a gun, no preventative action is acceptable? Is the position that the current level and severity of gun violence an acceptable cost of doing business? I don't get that.

How do we slow this down?

I think if you listen to the people in the middle are asking, "how do we al least reduce the deliberate misuse of guns?" They really aren't talking about taking your gun? Honestly.

Unfortunately the legislators/politicians are not in the middle and many are really trying to take them. I don't care what individual citizens are saying. I do care about what law writers are doing.