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Originally Posted by DeltaGolf (Post 390025)

You know better than I, how many things could have gone wrong and how risky this mission was. Although the physical risks were entirely born by the troops, had this mission failed, Obama would have been crucified by Republicans and Dems.

That's what smells fishy about it.

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Originally Posted by Paslode (Post 390024)

:D Classic!

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Originally Posted by Dusty (Post 390031)

That's what smells fishy about it.

You've lost me. :confused: Are you saying it smells fishy because it succeeded, or it's fishy that he would have given the order knowing the potential political consequences of failure? Maybe some other reason?

Pic legit? (WARNING GRAPHIC)

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Originally Posted by DeltaGolf (Post 390025)

With respect, Dusty,

"Teary eyed"? If you knew me or my political views you'd know how laughable that comment is. Since you don't know me, all I can do is assure you that we are on the same page regarding Obama's many deficiencies.

You know better than I, how many things could have gone wrong and how risky this mission was. Although the physical risks were entirely born by the troops, had this mission failed, Obama would have been crucified by Republicans and Dems. Consider: 31 years later, Operation Eagle Claw is still one of defining failures of the Carter Administration. The Battle of Mogadishu gave the Clinton Administration a huge black eye.

Fortunately, the mission went spectacularly well. You are correct, closing Gitmo was one of Obama's major campaign points. However, as with many of his promises, he chose not to follow through, and Gitmo has remained open. I don't know what role, if any, this played in producing intel about Bin Laden's location, but it's beside the point. You are also correct that Obama didn't pull the trigger. He is POTUS -- executing special ops isn't part of his job description. He either gives or denies the go ahead.

In this one instance, he made the right call. He showed leadership. He acted Presidential. Will I vote for him in 2012? NO.

DeltaGolf, your bio says you're a educated man and a military buff.....
Before I say this know that I would fight beside my Brother SEALS to the death, anyplace anywhere anytime.

That said your analogy of Operation Eagle Claw and the Battle of Mogadishu as compared to this operation is ludicrous.

This was a small DA operation, risk factor for the good guys, was very low. Chances for success very high if the old terrorist was indeed there.

Spare me your military analogies.

I am sure the SEALS killed something, just who I'd like to know.
Team Sergeant

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Originally Posted by 69harley (Post 389764)

I doubt they flew in any variant of the -hawk. News reports 25 pax on two birds, they blew one in place, 25 pax plus one left on the remaining bird. could not have been a -60.

NY Times has a photo of part of the wreckage. Looks like the tali of a 60 to me. The same article describes the mission as having 4 helos. I have seen the number of SEALS at 24, and the NY Times article says 12 SEALS were dropped into the compound.

Also hearing that one of the helos did a soft landing in the compound either due to a mechanical or lift issue. Either way, the NY Times piece says 12 were dropped in, the primary attack force was composed of 2 Helos, with 2 more on standby in case shit hit the fan. One of those came in when one of the primary helos went down to retrieve the crew and SEALS of the downed chopper.

So with a little filling in of the gaps in info, it sounds to me like the op involved 4 helos with 24 SEALS. 2 entered Pakistan, while 2 hung back, presumably in A'Stan, as a backup in case the primary force encountered resistance or other issues. When one of the helos went down, one of the backup choppers came in to retrieve the personnel and continued out of country.

That puts 6 SEALS per chopper on the outset of the mission, and after losing a helo, 18 SEALS between 2 choppers plus the corpse of one UBL. Seems like a load well within the capability and range of a UH60, and the tail wreckage at the compound is assuredly not from a 47.

I am sure it is possible it was an air force bird, but my money is on it being a 60. Tho we all know where it would be from, I certainly wont play with OPSEC on here

Heres the NY times article

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/wo...agewanted=1&hp

And the photo of the wreckage

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/20...B-INTEL-2.html

EDIT: Not presuming to know any of that for fact. Just trying to read between the lines.

ALthough these seem to me to look like a stockier, bigger bird. Maybe something from the AF

http://www.time.com/time/photogaller...271659,00.html

Well it's after 5 I think I'll go mix a Bin Laden before supper.

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Originally Posted by DevilSide (Post 390003)

Why would he stage it?

Just off the top of me head....Wellll for starters, spun, dug up, thawed out, staged or a combination of some, all or none....My poll numbers are in the tank, David Koresh is dead, Gas is close to $4 per gallon, a roll of toilet paper is beginning to look like a legitimate form of currency, May Day Celebration, in May my SEIU buddy Stephen Lerner plans to take on JP Morgan Chase this month, I need some MO-mentum for my Campaign 2012 Road to Hell and I am a narcissist.

But more important fact or fiction, contrived or not it this is quite a distraction/diversion from reality.....What else happened today in the world? How has the news cycle been the last 2 days? What version of the OBL Takedown are we at now? What were most people talking about today OBL or dancing with the Stars?

Will this end terrorism and TSA pat downs?

:munchin

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Originally Posted by Utah Bob (Post 390070)

Well it's after 5 I think I'll go mix a Bin Laden before supper.

If you'd have let me know earlier, I'd have offered you one...but I took it early this morning after exercising and, after wiping my BHO, flushed it before it stained my Biden. I can save you one tomorrow, though, if you're interested. :p

Richard :munchin

Got one in my hand right now.:D

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Originally Posted by Utah Bob (Post 390074)

Got one in my hand right now.

Eeewwwwwww...:rolleyes:...but that 'technique' cost Rick Detrick and I a sure thing one night with two girls at the Crazy Horse in Georgetown. I've been pissed at those bin Laden's ever since. ;)

Richard :munchin

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Originally Posted by andwerise (Post 390045)

NY Times has a photo of part of the wreckage....

andwerise & 69Harley: type was really irrelevant for the point I was driving, unless that type is driven by a flux capacitor;)

for the purpose of the drill, ~170mph will get you in the ballpark for T=D/R

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Originally Posted by Mr Furious (Post 390080)

Apologies, I got caught up geeking out and missed the original point.... lol

Although a UH60 with a flux capacitor could prove mighty useful. Forward it up to DARPA, I hear they're running out of ideas to waste money on researching :D