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tom kelly 03-08-2018 03:22

MAXINE WATERS ????
 
WHAT DOES THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE REALLY KNOW ABOUT M. WATERS? 1. Her Education,GPA (if she attended a University& Was Graduated) 2..EXPERIENCE, as a Legislator & other jobs aside from congress? 3. Voting Record in Congress + Her attendance record.? 4. Her lifestyle compared to her salary.? 5. Her accomplishments as a legislator.? The main stream media will not report any of this information? LET'S FIND OUT about M.Waters Tom Kelly

Badger52 03-08-2018 05:28

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Originally Posted by Guymullins (Post 641069)
PRB, If the US government made it their policy to take all property without compensation, you would maybe have a big portion of liberals telling everyone not to panic. The rest of the country would be reaching for their rifles I imagine. In SA there are those who will go to any lengths to appease the crocodile in the vain hope that they will be eaten last.

Well said; I can absolutely see that playing out in a number of spots in the world and the commie politicians, via the media, telling everyone "keep calm, all is well" - in one language or another.

cbtengr 03-08-2018 06:13

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 640983)
Excuse me??????? ;)

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/05/ma...ack-americans/





I love this congresscrazybitch, she's the "black" nancy pelosi. Both bat-shit crazy.

If there are going to be reparations they will have to exceed $1000.00, the dems have told us that amount this just crumbs.

Guy 03-08-2018 08:45

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 640983)
I love this congresscrazybitch, she's the "black" nancy pelosi. Both bat-shit crazy.

Between Nancy & Maxine they have +150 years of "stealing" America's oxygen...

Pete 08-20-2018 08:23

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Originally Posted by PRB (Post 641062)
...I have some SA's telling me this is all overblown and not representative of the real SA today....putting a happy face on it...

And so it begins...

South Africa begins seizing white-owned farms

Just two farms right now but it's a start.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...4ffb648ea5c53b

"...While the government says it intends to pay, owners Akkerland Boerdery wanted 200 million rand ($18.7 million) for the land — they’re being offered just 20 million rand ($1.87 million).

“Notice is hereby given that a terrain inspection will be held on the farms on April 5, 2018 at 10am in order to conduct an audit of the assets and a handover of the farm’s keys to the state,” a letter sent to the owners earlier this year said.

Akkerland Boerdery obtained an urgent injunction to prevent eviction until a court had ruled on the issue, but the Department of Rural Development and Land Affairs is opposing the application...."

tonyz 08-20-2018 08:35

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 645261)
And so it begins...

South Africa begins seizing white-owned farms

Just two farms right now but it's a start.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...4ffb648ea5c53b

"...While the government says it intends to pay, owners Akkerland Boerdery wanted 200 million rand ($18.7 million) for the land — they’re being offered just 20 million rand ($1.87 million).

“Notice is hereby given that a terrain inspection will be held on the farms on April 5, 2018 at 10am in order to conduct an audit of the assets and a handover of the farm’s keys to the state,” a letter sent to the owners earlier this year said.

Akkerland Boerdery obtained an urgent injunction to prevent eviction until a court had ruled on the issue, but the Department of Rural Development and Land Affairs is opposing the application...."

Shit-hole-ification continues...maybe SA leaders are consulting with Venezuelan leaders...and our Progressives...

SF_BHT 08-20-2018 08:55

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 645261)
And so it begins...

South Africa begins seizing white-owned farms

Just two farms right now but it's a start.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...4ffb648ea5c53b

"...While the government says it intends to pay, owners Akkerland Boerdery wanted 200 million rand ($18.7 million) for the land — they’re being offered just 20 million rand ($1.87 million).

“Notice is hereby given that a terrain inspection will be held on the farms on April 5, 2018 at 10am in order to conduct an audit of the assets and a handover of the farm’s keys to the state,” a letter sent to the owners earlier this year said.

Akkerland Boerdery obtained an urgent injunction to prevent eviction until a court had ruled on the issue, but the Department of Rural Development and Land Affairs is opposing the application...."

Lets see how much News play this gets here...

I will wager none...

bblhead672 08-20-2018 14:53

South Africa Goes Zimbabwe

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Zimbabwe had already made great strides in improving agriculture through land seizures.

Land was stolen from the farmers who knew how to work it and handed out to politically connected thugs. Soon the former "bread basket" of Southern Africa was starving. Black groups pleaded with the white farmers to remain. Rural Zimbabwe died. Hyperinflation made the currency worthless. A trillion dollars might not be enough to buy one egg. A former food exporter was forced to rely on food aid.

tonyz 08-20-2018 17:45

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Originally Posted by bblhead672 (Post 645275)

More from the article cut and pasted below...GD Commies...communism wrecks everything it touches...paying attention Bernie supporters?

“Like Zimbabwe, South Africa is due to revisit the same implacable economic consequences of land seizures that took the Soviet Union down the road to famine and terror. Toward its end, the USSR, despite possessing territories that had once bulged with rich harvests, had gone deep into debt to buy food from the United States. The African National Congress’ Communist roots are taking South Africa down the same path as its fallen Communist masters. And with the same miserable results.

Comrade Ramaphosa, as Comrade Mandela liked to call him, is less of a strongman, than a weak man. More afraid of thugs like Julius Malema and the greed of his ANC comrades than of dooming his people to hunger. The ANC is populated with thugs who are impatiently waiting to loot South Africa’s corpse. And they’ve grown tired of pretending that they are anything more than a failed state’s Marxist mob.”

Team Sergeant 08-21-2018 09:20

Personally, I don’t give a crap what goes on in South Africa, it’s extremely corrupt, communist and is “ruled” by highly unintelligent people.

That said, America will be involved soon enough attempting to feed the very individuals that are now confiscating “white owned” farms. It does not take a genius to make the leap that when the extremely corrupt South African government does in fact seize the farms, the very farms that feed 80% of the people in that country, some in that government (and their left-wing elite “friends”) will become very rich land owners and the country will starve.

This slow-moving train wreck will make the socialist/communist dictatorship of Venezuela look like a Disney movie.

South Africa will soon become “Somalia 2.0”.

And when your “children” are fighting & dying in south africa while attempting to feed the millions of starving people, you can thank the left-wing “elite”.





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ca-seized.html


White farmers try to offload land in South Africa before it is seized from them 'as government tries to grab first two hunting reserves without paying'

Union bosses in South Africa say record number of farms are up for sale
But nobody is willing to buy the land amid fears the government will seize it
There are fears investment will fall leading to job losses that may rob South Africa of the ability to feed itself
Game reserve owners say they are the first to be targeted for seizure after talks with government to buy land at a tenth of its value broke down

By Chris Pleasance for MailOnline

Published: 05:28 EDT, 20 August 2018 | Updated: 13:42 EDT, 20 August 2018

White farmers in South Africa are trying to flog their land as fears grow that the government is about to start a widespread campaign of seizures.

Union bosses say a record number of properties are for sale but nobody is buying, making the properties effectively worthless.

Agri SA union, which represents mainly white commercial farmers, has warned that such seizures will deter investment, cause job losses, and may rob South Africa of the ability to feed itself.

Meanwhile two farms in the north of the country have reportedly become the first targets for seizures after talks between the government and owners about buying the land broke down.

Akkerland Boerdery, the owners of two game reserves in Limpopo, told City Press that the government asked to buy their land but was only willing to offer a tenth of the price.

When the offer was refused, ministers allegedly sent a letter which said: 'Notice is hereby given that a terrain inspection will be held on the farms on April 5 2018 at 10am in order to conduct an audit of the assets and a handover of the farm's keys to the state.'

AgriSA union spokeswoman Annelize Crosby told the paper: 'What makes the Akkerland case unique is that they apparently were not given the opportunity to first dispute the claim in court, as the law requires.'

If the land is seized it will be the first time that the South African government has refused to pay market value for land.

Since the end of apartheid in 1994, the ANC has followed a 'willing seller, willing buyer' process to redistribute white-owned farms to blacks.

But according to a government audit last year, 72 per cent of farmland in South Africa is still owned by whites, despite them making up 9 per cent of the population.

That statistic prompted Cyril Ramaphosa, South Africa's president who succeeded Jacob Zuma last year, to commit to a program of land expropriation.

His ANC party has promised to 'test out' section 25 of the constitution, which allows the government to seize land to re-balance past 'racially discriminatory laws'.

The constitution makes it clear that reasonable compensation must be offered to the owner of the land, but the ANC is now planning a number of test cases to see if land can be seized without money changing hands if it is 'in the public interest'.


A program of land seizures in nearby Zimbabwe in the 1990s sent the country into an economic spiral from which it has never fully recovered.

Reports earlier this month suggested ministers have already drawn up a list of 139 South African farms to be targeted, though the government denies the existence of any such list.

Omri van Zyl, head of the Agri SA union, which represents mainly white commercial farmers, told The Express: 'The mood among our members is very solemn.

'They are confused about the lack of any apparent strategy from the government and many are panicking.

'So many farms are up for sale, more than we've ever had, but no one is buying.'

ANC chairman Gwede Mantashe sparked more panic last week when he suggested that anyone owning more than 25,000 acres would be targeted.

Agri SA said about 20 per cent of South Africa's farms produce 80 per cent of the food, and many of those properties would be affected by the cap.

There are fears that the release of the list of 139 farms to be seized has already made the land worthless.

Cattle farmer Jo-an Engelbrecht told the ABC's Foreign Correspondent his farm just outside Johannesburg was now 'worth zero'.

'We had several auctions in the last two or three weeks cancelled because there was no people interested in buying the land,' he said.

'Why would you buy a farm to know the government's going to take it?'

PedOncoDoc 08-21-2018 09:40

If I knew my land was about to be seized, I would seriously consider destroying the land to make it non-arable as a big "FU" to the thieves taking it under the guise of government.

Guymullins 08-23-2018 09:34

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Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc (Post 645301)
If I knew my land was about to be seized, I would seriously consider destroying the land to make it non-arable as a big "FU" to the thieves taking it under the guise of government.

There is no need for destroying the farms before expropriation. The new owners will do that in days, just as they have on 90% of land given to them in the restitution programme where the government has bought land and given it to claimants.

Animals are left unfed until they eat their pen-mates or simply die of thirst and malnutrition. This has happened on farms given to government cabinet ministers.
Imagine what the common or garden native will do with his new-found riches?

Storm 08-23-2018 09:49

It's okay though, because CBS has an article rebutting the claims. People here were saying we'd hear nothing! Good thing CBS cleared the air, with their correspondent informing us this is simply not possible!!

TWITCHY 08-23-2018 10:49

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Originally Posted by Storm (Post 645343)
It's okay though, because CBS has an article rebutting the claims. People here were saying we'd hear nothing! Good thing CBS cleared the air, with their correspondent informing us this is simply not possible!!

CNN is also reporting that expropriation is “simply not occurring” - https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/23/afr...www.cnn.com%2F

Of course, Obama stood side-by-side with the SA leader supporting the takeovers.

bblhead672 08-23-2018 15:21

Communist Broadcasting System and Communist News Network says it ain't happening, it must not be happening! When have those stalwarts of journalism ever tried to deceive anyone? :munchin

Paslode 08-23-2018 18:43

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Originally Posted by bblhead672 (Post 645347)
Communist Broadcasting System and Communist News Network says it ain't happening, it must not be happening! When have those stalwarts of journalism ever tried to deceive anyone? :munchin

I heard a man named Simon discussing the situation with David Knight this morning. It is a very bad situation, that many on the left would like to replicate here in the states. You won't hear that on the MSM but you will hear it on the much maligned .........Infowars.

PRB 08-23-2018 21:10

8% of the population and losing power politically... I'd get what I owned sold and get the hell out.

Reminds me of the Jews in Germany in the early 30's.... hindsight comments...'why didn't they leave'...well, it was their home.... yeah it was.

Peregrino 08-24-2018 09:12

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Originally Posted by PRB (Post 645350)
8% of the population and losing power politically... I'd get what I owned sold and get the hell out.

Reminds me of the Jews in Germany in the early 30's.... hindsight comments...'why didn't they leave'...well, it was their home.... yeah it was.

"WAS" being the operative word.

Guymullins 08-25-2018 11:06

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Originally Posted by PRB (Post 645350)
8% of the population and losing power politically... I'd get what I owned sold and get the hell out.

Reminds me of the Jews in Germany in the early 30's.... hindsight comments...'why didn't they leave'...well, it was their home.... yeah it was.

Remember, it was the rest of the world that forced White South Africa to give in to the known disaster of majority rule. The Communist countries aided and abetted the ANC and the West applied sanctions because it believed we were unfair to the powers of darkness.

The Communist countries have now largely disappeared and the West is experiencing the impossibility of living with the savages they allowed into their countries.

All civilised countries are beginning to see that some form of apartheid will be essential to their living peacefully alongside the savages.

This quickly changing climate may allow the civilized people of Sa to mount a counter attack without outside interference.

Although the odds are roughly 10:1 we know from a 23 year bush war, that this will not be an insurmountable problem.

To cut and run is not really our nature.

TrapperFrank 08-25-2018 17:08

One thing that worries me about losing South Africa is the fact they have most of the diamonds and platinum in the world. Industrial grade diamonds are used on drilling apparatus in the petroleum industry and platinum is used to coat ball bearings.

exsquid 08-26-2018 20:54

Trapper:

I wouldn't worry. The Chinese will gladly sell us all the SA natural resources we want. Just at a huge mark up. :D

x/S

tom kelly 08-28-2018 14:48

South Africa ?
 
Did SA have Nuclear Weapons at one time? what happened to them??? Tom Kelly

exsquid 08-28-2018 19:42

South Africa's nuclear weapons program was dismantled by the white government prior to losing control to the ANC.

x/S

Guymullins 08-29-2018 03:46

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Originally Posted by exsquid (Post 645457)
South Africa's nuclear weapons program was dismantled by the white government prior to losing control to the ANC.

x/S

We had 8 bombs at the time they were dismantled. The white government made many big mistakes, but trusting the new mob with nuclear bombs was not one of them.

miclo18d 08-29-2018 05:25

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As Land Confiscations Loom, South Africa Rules 300,000 Gun-Owners Turn Over Their Weapons
Authored by Jose Nino via GunPowderMagazine.com,

South Africa is opening the door for tyranny.



The Constitutional Court of South Africa recently ruled that 300,000 gun owners must turn in their firearms.

This judgement came in response to the North Gauteng High Court’s ruling in 2017 which said Section 24 and Section 28 of the Firearm’s Control Act were unconstitutional.

A report from The Citizen explains what Section 24 and Section 28 entail:

“Section 24 of the Act requires that any person who seeks to renew a licence must do so 90 days before its expiry date Section 28 stipulates that if a firearm licence has been cancelled‚ the firearm must be disposed of or forfeited to the state. A 60-day time frame was placed on its disposal, which was to be done through a dealer.”

Now that the High Court’s initial ruling has been overturned, gun owners who failed to renew their firearms licenses must hand in their firearms to the nearest police station, where authorities will then proceed to destroy them.

Many naïve political observers will paint this event as a casual gun control scheme, but any astute student of politics will recognize that the floodgates are now open for further encroachments – not only on the gun rights of South Africans, but also on others facets of theirs lives.

A look at South Africa’s current political climate will give us an idea of the potential ramifications of this gun control scheme.

Political Trouble Brewing in South Africa?

Though South Africa witnessed rising levels of economic freedom shortly after Apartheid ended in 1994, the country has taken a more interventionist path to economic development in recent years.

This situation is becoming more pronounced with the South African National Assembly recently voting 241-83 to amend the South African constitution to allow for land expropriation without compensation.

The socialist-leaning African National Congress (ANC) and the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) parties are leading the charge for expropriation under the banner of fixing racial disparities that have supposedly remained intact since Apartheid’s conclusion.

While land confiscation has not been officially finalized, South Africans should worry about the direction their country is going.

And how does gun control fit into this equation?

Gun Control: A Tool for Tyranny

No matter how socialist apologists rationalize it, the redistributionist agenda the South African government is pursuing will not be implemented passively. Ultimately, it must be carried out by force.

The kind of force socialists seek is a monopolized kind, which extreme forms of gun control like gun confiscation help facilitate.

The history of gun confiscation is one of repeated cases of tyranny.

From countries such as Cuba to the Soviet Union, aspiring demagogues have used gun confiscation to disarm the populace. Logically, an unarmed populace will put up little resistance against their tyrannical acts.

In South Africa’s case, farmers and their workers are already suffering ongoing attacks against their property. One could only imagine what it would be like for these persecuted farmers once they are stripped of their right to self-defense.

For many Americans who have enjoyed historically unprecedented gun rights, South Africa’s gun control experience may seem distant and strange.

But make no mistake about it, South Africa’s latest flirtation with gun control is not based on good intentions, especially when considering the political climate the country is enduring.

South Africa should serve as a fair warning to Americans of the dangerous consequences gun control poses.
If there is truth to this article, it’s going start going fast!

I know you see what’s going on Guy, I hope everyone else in SA does too!

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Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party. Yet, having guns, we can create Party organizations, as witness the powerful Party organizations which the Eighth Route Army has created in northern China. We can also create cadres, create schools, create culture, create mass movements. Everything in Yenan has been created by having guns. All things grow out of the barrel of a gun. According to the Marxist theory of the state, the army is the chief component of state power. Whoever wants to seize and retain state power must have a strong army. Some people ridicule us as advocates of the "omnipotence of war". Yes, we are advocates of the omnipotence of revolutionary war; that is good, not bad, it is Marxist. The guns of the Russian Communist Party created socialism. We shall create a democratic republic. Experience in the class struggle in the era of imperialism teaches us that it is only by the power of the gun that the working class and the labouring masses can defeat the armed bourgeoisie and landlords; in this sense we may say that only with guns can the whole world be transformed. We are advocates of the abolition of war, we do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun.

— Selected Works of Mao Tse-tung, Vol. II, pp. 224-225[3]

Badger52 08-29-2018 06:24

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Originally Posted by miclo18d (Post 645466)
If there is truth to this article, it’s going start going fast!

There is mention in Lauren Southern's documentary "Farmlands" of people who don't already have firearms or a permit (and certainly wouldn't be able to get one now) acquiring paint-ball equipment with pepper balls as a defense mechanism. Forgetting the, at times, melodramatic narration moments, it might be worth a view (before the hosting service pulls it for being Wacissss).

https://www.xxxxxxx.com/watch?time_c...&v=a_bDc7FfItk

Guymullins 08-30-2018 04:29

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Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 645467)
There is mention in Lauren Southern's documentary "Farmlands" of people who don't already have firearms or a permit (and certainly wouldn't be able to get one now) acquiring paint-ball equipment with pepper balls as a defense mechanism. Forgetting the, at times, melodramatic narration moments, it might be worth a view (before the hosting service pulls it for being Wacissss).

https://www.xxxxxxx.com/watch?time_c...&v=a_bDc7FfItk

Surprisingly, although the so-called government is trying their best to disarm the Whites, our constant challenges to their arbitrarily changing the law has resulted in a situation where it is very difficult for them to refuse a request for a gun license. The applicant has to jump through many hoops and obtain all sorts of qualifications and certificates, but once you do that you usually get what you apply for.
Furthermore, concealed carry is not a problem anywhere except in a few gun-free zones. These people who have had to surrender their firearms have been lax in renewing their licenses. Self-defence licenses are renewed every 5 years and sport or hunting weapons every ten years.
One simply has to remain awake and comply with all the red tape and you are OK.

Badger52 08-30-2018 05:11

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Originally Posted by Guymullins (Post 645492)
Surprisingly, although the so-called government is trying their best to disarm the Whites, our constant challenges to their arbitrarily changing the law has resulted in a situation where it is very difficult for them to refuse a request for a gun license. The applicant has to jump through many hoops and obtain all sorts of qualifications and certificates, but once you do that you usually get what you apply for.
Furthermore, concealed carry is not a problem anywhere except in a few gun-free zones. These people who have had to surrender their firearms have been lax in renewing their licenses. Self-defence licenses are renewed every 5 years and sport or hunting weapons every ten years.
One simply has to remain awake and comply with all the red tape and you are OK.

Thank you for that. As often happens there are 2 sides and then, further still, 2 sides to each side of the tale.

Scimitar 10-17-2018 06:53

Guy,

Looks like the King of the Zulu nation is the pragmatic type.
He's apparently backing the white farmers, as he doesn't want his people to starve.

I'm sure I speak for others here, that we'd value your on-the-ground read on this.

S

American Thinker Article

PRB 10-17-2018 09:35

I suspect his real motivation is his Tribal land.... the 'King' owns it basically and allows others to use it I understand...the tribal members.

He probably fears losing land, it would be his power base....if they can take others property why not his?


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