So, then why did he invite the 3 Americans (2 Vets) who acted heroically on the train in France to the WH?

Amen!

Gun Free Zones work!!
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozJTenNzUKM

Don't want a gun in your house, here you go!!

Tin Foil Crowd??

Or Comrade Vladimir's PR guys blowing smoke??

They said the same thing about Tsarnaev. :munchin

You really are onto something here. I would like to see a study of the number of homicides committed in gun-free zones/cities per annum.

This could be made into a really good argument. Possibly, to the mind of a potential "crowd shooter", an honest person with a gun is a scary proposition. Also, maybe people who carry concealed weapons are loaning more security to others than we think. Thoughts?

It all goes back to the observation that the only thing that can quickly stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun.

Disarming the law abiding populace is completely ineffective on those intent on murder.

TR

I think that you bring up an interesting point Craig. I realize the circumstances of me carrying concealed are different from the average CCW holder, but I also have always questioned the intent of most holders of a CCW permit. I am all good with them protecting their family as that is near and dear to my heart as well, but will they have any reservation about doing what is needed to keep an active shooter engaged until they get backup or are incapacitated? I always figured that one of the responsibilities of me carrying was that this would never be a question as it is my duty to get rounds down range and on target until the threat is neutralized or I am unable to fight back. My loved ones and others in the event being able to escape is the payback IMHO.

Most of the gun rights arguments have already been made. The recent decision in Illinois to allow concealed carry is having a chilling effect on violent crime.




One Year After Concealed Carry, Chicago Homicide Rate Plunges to 56-Year Low

Posted by John Jay on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 | 2 Comments

On the heels of a new subpoena from a federal grand jury in Chicago seeking records about Gov. Pat Quinn’s (D-Ill.) botched 2010 anti-violence program, the Neighborhood Recovery Initiative, a new poll from YouGov reveals that Chicago – one of the most heavily regulated cities in America when it comes to guns – is seen as the most dangerous city in America. It’s followed closely by New York City, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C., three other cities that are also known for their strict gun control laws.

http://www.illinoismirror.com/one-ye...o-56-year-low/




Do this nationwide and you'll cut down all violent crime most ricky tic.

Hell President Bush forgot the most powerful anti-crime folks out there, the veterans. I'd like to see a bill that grants a nationwide concealed carry for all combat MOS veterans. They already have it for cops, why not retired veterans. To go even further allow all Special Forces, SEAL, Ranger, and Marine Special Ops to carry anytime, anywhere, no restrictions not even in an airplane or nuke plant.

Want to reduce crime 1000 fold in just one year, violent gangs would become a memory, drug cartel members would be running for their lives.

Just Arm the Veterans.

In other news...for every failure there is success.

Check out this article from USA TODAY:

4 students arrested for Calif. school shooting plot

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...plot/73325610/

Have seen this floating around the past day or so ...

Apparently there was an Air Force vet, who was armed and licensed to carry, who initially wanted to help when the shooting started, but was stopped by the college staff from doing so.

*Edited by me. I refuse to list the murder's name(s) and give them the "glory" that they seek.

Doesn't surprise me in the least. :rolleyes:

Someone who either knew the law, or simply choose to exercise their rights was prevented by the scared shitless crowd into cowering in the corner like scared sheep. I'd consider a lawsuit with damages for mental anguish. Start with the school, the state and the federal government for unconstitutional laws/rules. It's the only way it's going to get to the supremes to make a ruling on the absurdity of GFZ in public or semi-private but open to the public spaces.

If so, they should step up to help when the "good guy" gets sued for saving their lives.

Pat

Pro tip, when the shooting starts DO NOT FOLLOW THE SHEEPLE.

Another Pro tip, if the shooter is within hand grenade range YOU ATTACK THE SHOOTER.

(The only way to survive a near ambush is to immediately TURN AND ATTACK THE AMBUSHERS)

This "Option" only works with non-sheeple. (Children do not count, adults must do the attacking for them)

Last Pro tip, go outside right now and make a mental note on how "YOU'RE" going to react to a shooter in public.

If you thoughts are on retreat, well, you're sheeple, if your thoughts are on busting a cap in his ass or "muzzle thumping" the bottom-feeding low-life, welcome to the "real man" crowd.

So an unarmed staff hand-wringer tells a guy with a will to act and the tools to do so to stop, and the guy stops? Sounds like the 'will to act' wasn't quite up to snuff, and he found an excuse.

Bing Bing Bing we have a winner.

Lost of people have guns but no will to get into the fray and use them to protect others.

At our table, in ABQ, we had at least 4 guns. Nancy carries 2 revolvers. ;)

Pat

I hope you guys are enjoying the Balloon Fiesta Pat. It is something to see if you have never been there for it. Stay safe.

We're not there. We had lunch with SF_BHT last month. Would have contacted you on the way south but we took the Hatch cut-off.

Pat

I will look forward to you guys returning this way. I was on mids last month so you may have not gotten me anyway as I was in full vampire mode.

Was there this morning. Was nice.

Perhaps you could elaborate. As it reads now, that statement is open to misinterpretation, or not.

It certainly helps when they threaten people and announce their plans. The successful ones do not (unless it is an announcement immediately before acting).

I disagree, with rare exceptions, I believe that all (most) of these assholes seek help or discuss their intentions with others before committing to act. Problem is no one is listening or understands the significance of the threat. None of these "random" attacks take place in a vacuum of absolute secrecy. At least not in my research of past events.

Someone almost always knows something but fails to act on it.

Exactly...........


"An Air Force veteran who had a licensed concealed carry gun was prevented by staff from intervening in the shooting yesterday at the Umpqua Community College during which ten people were killed.


There's your problem right there..... a non-combatant.

Very few folks on this planet possess the will to run toward gunfire.

Better half
 

Well, my better half had been following this from the beginning through the MSM. I asked her this morning if the shooter was white or black. She replied "White".

Samuel J. Wurzelbacher
 

AKA Joe the Plumber; this guy/VET needs a lawyer and PR person because, he's going to be scrutinized by the left MSM.....:munchin

So, exactly how did that work? I would have told them all to kiss my ass.

That's exactly why I said:

And how the f**k did they know he had a gun?

"Hey I have a gun and I could go and help? No, OK, I'll just sit here and wait."


I would have said nothing and moved as quickly as possible to neutralize the threat. The ass chewing from the limp-wristed, white-knuckle, pillow biting left-wing liberals for packing heat on a campus would be most welcome afterwards.

So I guess President Obama is white as well, since he has one black parent and one white parent, just like the shooter. Who knew?

I am officially jealous as i had to work yesterday and would have rather been ABQ way watching a mass ascension. With any luck the insurance adjuster will be here tomorrow so we might sneak up there for a day at least. Enjoy the show amigo and hope you guys don't get any of our forecasted rain the next few days.

Obama is slated to visit Roseburg residents Friday, despite the fact that he's not welcome according to one of Roseburg's local newspaper publishers David Jacques. Will be interesting to see what happens.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...per-publisher/

What if Jarrett threw a prompter party & no one showed up?
He should stay home & have another beer with his Cambridge prof buddy.

Since you seem more interested in posting about your desires to see mass erections and not clarifying your statement, I will assume you do question the intent of most holders of a CCW permit (post #48), and there is no misinterpreting your statement. Interesting that as a federal LEO you choose to malign the millions of American citizens that have chosen to meet the state-required regulatory requirements in order to be better prepared, if necessary, to exercise their God-given right to self-defense and defense of third persons.

Did you question the intent of Joseph Robert Wilcox?

I suppose your concern is understandable, considering that most holders of a CCW permit aren't as well-trained and professional as most law enforcement officers and special agents. Probably not even close to being as well trained and professional as DEA special agent Lee Paige.

dele..dupe post